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Old 05-29-2012, 08:39 AM   #1
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2013 M/T issues

I just picked up my new gt 2013 last week and I notice this clonking sound from the clutch when I shift between 1st and 2nd or 2nd and 3rd.
And I has through the gear to neutral twice from 1st gear.
Has anyone had the same problem?
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I just picked up my new gt 2013 last week and I notice this clonking sound from the clutch when I shift between 1st and 2nd or 2nd and 3rd.
And I has through the gear to neutral twice from 1st gear.
Has anyone had the same problem?
No I have an auto. Good luck!
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:20 AM   #3
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Re: 2013 M/T issues

Give yourself some time to get used to how it works and for everything to wear in a bit.
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My manual has always done that iny 2011 sense pick up. They say it's normal at my dealer for the transmission to be "clunky"
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Yeah mine has been doing that non stop after replacing 5th gear syncros, feels like the clutch is shifting.
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They are just rebuilding your tranns on cars...wow they gave me a whole new trans on my manual.
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:22 AM   #7
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Yeah it would have been 3 months for a new one and 1 month for a rebuild...
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:33 AM   #8
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Re: 2013 M/T issues

Ford is pretty actively trying to avoid fixing the manual transmissions. You basically have three options:
  1. Deal with it
  2. Trade-in for an auto
  3. Swap in a T56 Magnum
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:35 AM   #9
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Just the fact that they're still using the mt82 is complete and utter stupidity on Fords part. If you pay upwards of 30 grand for a car it should have a quality transmission in it. There's not a million threads out there on the mt82 because it's a fine product. Ford just seems to ignore it. They should be giving everyone a tremec replacement. I don't care how much it'll cost them. It's their fault for putting a china made pos in these cars. And they continue to ignore all the previous complaints and just keep putting them in all of the 2013 cars. This issue alone will lose Ford some customers.
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:38 AM   #10
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Re: 2013 M/T issues

I agree fully. I know if they say if its not broken then dont fix it....ITS BROKEN! FIX IT!! ughhhh

My 6MT has been doing some funny stuff lately with the shifter itself moving when hitting the gas to where it feels like something is loose and shifting around and a lot of play in 5th gear. Shifts fine when its warm, just a lot of movement and play in the shifter itself.
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Old 05-29-2012, 11:47 AM   #11
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Re: 2013 M/T issues

I had some 'clunk' from the 2 piece drive shaft. Is it still a 2 piece for the 5.0?

After a few weeks, foot work solved the issue. I have 0 clunk. New car for you, new feel. Maybe letting off the clutch too fast which causes a clunk in many RWD cars.
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I had some 'clunk' from the 2 piece drive shaft. Is it still a 2 piece for the 5.0?

After a few weeks, foot work solved the issue. I have 0 clunk. New car for you, new feel. Maybe letting off the clutch too fast which causes a clunk in many RWD cars.
Still a 2 piece, still sucks lol. May or may not be the OPs issue though with all the other noises the MT82 has during "normal" operation.
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Re: 2013 M/T issues

As far as Ford has come since 05+, it is a shame how they treat their 5.0ers
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Just because of how Ford has handled the whole mt82 issue if I got another car it would likely be a used 392.
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Just because of how Ford has handled the whole mt82 issue if I got another car it would likely be a used 392.
Let me tell ya, I've dealt with Chrysler and they are way worse. I wouldn't touch anything Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge even if it had a 10yr/100k bumper to bumper warranty. There are at least rare occasions where Ford actually fixes problems.
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Let me tell ya, I've dealt with Chrysler and they are way worse. I wouldn't touch anything Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge even if it had a 10yr/100k bumper to bumper warranty. There are at least rare occasions where Ford actually fixes problems.
The problem I guess I have is that Ford is replacing the problem with another problem. The mt82 shouldn't be in these cars. Especially seeing how it's barely rated to handle the 5.0s power.
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The problem I guess I have is that Ford is replacing the problem with another problem. The mt82 shouldn't be in these cars. Especially seeing how it's barely rated to handle the 5.0s power.
Actually it's underrated. Mt82 is good for 380 lb/ft and stock 5.0 is rated at 390. That 390 has proven to be quite conservative too.
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I've been lucky enough to have zero issues with my 6mt after a year and 3 months and 5,900 miles and original fluid which I never came around to changing yet... but those that have issues, does changing the shifter like MGW or Barton help a bit??
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Re: 2013 M/T issues

well, the trans isn't necessarily underrated. Trans ratings are at specific GVWs. You need to equalise the GVWs to compare two transmission's ratings.

380 lbs/ft at a GVW of 5500 pounds is alot stronger trans than 380 lbs/ft at 3000 lbs GVW.

I believe the rating for the MT82 is at a GVW in excess of the Mustang's GVW. I don't have the spec where I am and I stand to be corrected if I am wrong.

*edit* yeah, I looked it up and it's rated at ~370 at 9350 lbs gvw, which is over 700 lbs/ft strength at the Mustang's weight. Stresses on the trans are directly related to the weight of the vehicle so, this is a valid comparison. Issues with this trans don't stem from foundational strength but, from QC, in my view.
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Actually it's underrated. Mt82 is good for 380 lb/ft and stock 5.0 is rated at 390. That 390 has proven to be quite conservative too.
So why would a car company couple a transmission to an engine that produces more power than it can handle? That to me is unacceptable. I just pray I don't experience some of the hellish issues some of these guys have. Ford should be replacing all mt82s with the tremec. That would show incredible loyalty to their customers. The die hard Ford guys won't care either way. They'll just grin and bare it. But the other people having issues will ditch the car for something else.
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well, the trans isn't necessarily underrated. Trans ratings are at specific GVWs. You need to equalise the GVWs to compare two transmission's ratings.

380 lbs/ft at a GVW of 5500 pounds is alot stronger trans than 380 lbs/ft at 3000 lbs GVW.

I believe the rating for the MT82 is at a GVW in excess of the Mustang's GVW. I don't have the spec where I am and I stand to be corrected if I am wrong.

*edit* yeah, I looked it up and it's rated at ~370 at 9350 lbs gvw, which is over 700 lbs/ft strength at the Mustang's weight. Stresses on the trans are directly related to the weight of the vehicle so, this is a valid comparison. Issues with this trans don't stem from foundational strength but, from QC, in my view.
So saying that, would it good to say that its more the clutch setup vs the trany itself? Is there any word of the trans holding up better with a better clutch?
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People have come up with a few remedies, the 1 piece driveshaft which will get rid of some slop And is lighter and more responsive, the shifter bracket helped me a lot, some others have swapped out the fluids which helped a lot for them... Ford has already replaced my master cylinder with the clutch... If you can replicate Any of your problems with a service advisor and its a legitimate problem they cant deny anything. They told my the clunking was because I was in too high of a gear lol... I chose to ignore the annoyances, ill become really anal when I come up on the end of my warranty
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well, the trans isn't necessarily underrated. Trans ratings are at specific GVWs. You need to equalise the GVWs to compare two transmission's ratings.

380 lbs/ft at a GVW of 5500 pounds is alot stronger trans than 380 lbs/ft at 3000 lbs GVW.

I believe the rating for the MT82 is at a GVW in excess of the Mustang's GVW. I don't have the spec where I am and I stand to be corrected if I am wrong.

*edit* yeah, I looked it up and it's rated at ~370 at 9350 lbs gvw, which is over 700 lbs/ft strength at the Mustang's weight. Stresses on the trans are directly related to the weight of the vehicle so, this is a valid comparison. Issues with this trans don't stem from foundational strength but, from QC, in my view.
That's not surprising to hear actually, since Ford originally started using the MT82 in the Transit. I would also agree that QC is the issue here, otherwise everyone would have a busted MT82. Do you have a link to those specs?
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Re: 2013 M/T issues

Yeah, it's rated at 500 Nm (368 lbs/ft) @ 4250 Kg (9350 lb) total vehicle mass. It's also rated to pull a 6500 Kg trailer. Main strength isn't the issue here.

GETRAG Corporate Group - 6MTI500 TRANSMISSION

Getrag sells this trans for use in the Range Rover, for example, a pretty heavy vehicle.

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368/9350 lb GVW = 782/4400 lb GVW

I'm estimating the GVW of the Mustang based on 4 200 pound passengers + 3600 curb.
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Yeah, it's rated at 500 Nm (368 lbs/ft) @ 4250 Kg (9350 lb) total vehicle mass. It's also rated to pull a 6500 Kg trailer. Main strength isn't the issue here.

GETRAG Corporate Group - 6MTI500 TRANSMISSION

Getrag sells this trans for use in the Range Rover, for example, a pretty heavy vehicle.

So:

368/9350 lb GVW = 782/4400 lb GVW

I'm estimating the GVW of the Mustang based on 4 200 pound passengers + 3600 curb.
This is actually the first I heard of this and I kinda like it so I guess its time for some info on this clutch

---------- Post added at 07:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:30 PM ----------

Also what is the best clutch upgrade? The force dual 9.5?
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Clutch upgrades don't upgrade the trans torque rating. Clutch is designed to work with the weight and power of the vehicle in mind. Objective to keep pedal pressures low so, minimal extra holding force are designed in at the start. That said, there's guys running blowers on stock clutch. Bet it won't last long but, the fact it holds at all with minimum 100 extra horses is pretty amazing.
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I was under the impression that you said the trans could handle the mustang at full weight, so what is the weak link in the stock setup?
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I was under the impression that you said the trans could handle the mustang at full weight, so what is the weak link in the stock setup?
The entire drivetrain people have already done swaps
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The entire drivetrain people have already done swaps
Believe me I'm already pricing the kits out now but if I can make this stock trans work with future mods I will try my hardest
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Believe me I'm already pricing the kits out now but if I can make this stock trans work with future mods I will try my hardest
Keep an eye on your diff vent too, they have been leaking on many people -_-
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So the service center said that is normal for the tranny to trough the gear to neutral. That it is call "skip a gear" and is meant for better fuel efficiency.
Now for that clunky sound that the car is doing every time I shift the service center is gonna take a look at it tomorrow. Let's hope is something simple
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I was under the impression that you said the trans could handle the mustang at full weight, so what is the weak link in the stock setup?
YES, I said that. The clutch can handle the Mustang at full weight, too. the weak link is QC in the assembly or some sourced parts inside the trans, in my view.

You don't need a clutch upgrade unless you're slapping nitrous or FI on the car and planning alot of trips to the dragstrip on slicks. If that's your plan, then go with a Spec clutch or a Centreforce. I've used both with satisfaction in the past.
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