Future Upgrades - Mustang Evolution

Go Back   Mustang Evolution > 1979-2015 Mustang GT || Tech and Talk > 2011-2014 Mustang GT



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them here!
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 06-20-2012, 06:12 PM   #2
Registered Member
Regular
 
11stangGT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Region: Arkansas
Posts: 1,541
JLT blows IMO.. I have steeda.. Steeda and airaid are proven to be best..

---------- Post added at 06:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:04 PM ----------

I plan on getting rid of my hushpower mufflers for some gt500s.. Then save towards some headers.. Possibly sell my wheels in favor of a set of staggered black boss ls wheels.. Wanna do a full suspension kit (already lowered and lcas) by then maybe it'll be payed off and I can put that monthly payment towards saving for a s/c.. One day lol
__________________
2011 5.0
Bama 93 race tune, bbk o/r xpipe, gt500 axle backs, frpp k-springs, steeda rear lca's, 3d carbon 3d500 wing, boss/cs front fascia w boss brake cooling kit, plenty more...
11stangGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 06:15 PM   #3
Registered Member
Regular
 
T_math_6's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Region: Oklahoma
Posts: 111
IMO the only CAI that stands out truly to be better is steeda. I have JLT and like it well enough. There isn't a big HP difference when talking about cold air they all do about the same difference. JLT is good bang for the buck. If you want the best an price is no option id go with steeda though. There stuff is just better
T_math_6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 06-20-2012, 07:02 PM   #4
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
JLT is garbage CAI, no need for h pipe... Go catless or go x pipe, or both... Another h pipe will do next to nothing for you in either power or tone.

Current mods
BBR offroad x
Boss IM
GT500 axlebacks
BBR 91 octane tune
GT500 spoiler
FRPP p springs
Black track pack wheels
275 tires
Saleen grille
GT/CS lower fascia

Next mod will probably b LT's with shorty xpipe
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 08:46 PM   #5
Registered Member
Regular
 
T_math_6's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Region: Oklahoma
Posts: 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrabberBlue5.0

JLT is garbage CAI, no need for h pipe... Go catless or go x pipe, or both... Another h pipe will do next to nothing for you in either power or tone.

Current mods
BBR offroad x
Boss IM
GT500 axlebacks
BBR 91 octane tune
GT500 spoiler
FRPP p springs
Black track pack wheels
275 tires
Saleen grille
GT/CS lower fascia

Next mod will probably b LT's with shorty xpipe
It's garbage in your opinion. There's not to many differences in different CAI
T_math_6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 08:56 PM   #6
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by T_math_6

It's garbage in your opinion. There's not to many differences in different CAI
I have seen data of the airflow signals into the MAF using the JLT intake and it is inconsistent. It creates different amounts of power through the rpm range due to inconsistent airflow causing shift points and power at any given rpm to be different from one trip through the rev range through the next.

It's inconsistent. Period. Only CAI to have proven poor airflow characteristics. Use any of the others, even stock airbox is better than JLT. CAI adds minimal power in the 11+ anyways

---------- Post added at 09:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:55 PM ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by T_math_6

It's garbage in your opinion. There's not to many differences in different CAI
Not trying to talk smack about the things you own, just giving the op a heads up about low quality products
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 09:28 PM   #7
Road Trip!
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Region: Texas
Posts: 3,606
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrabberBlue5.0

I have seen data of the airflow signals into the MAF using the JLT intake and it is inconsistent. It creates different amounts of power through the rpm range due to inconsistent airflow causing shift points and power at any given rpm to be different from one trip through the rev range through the next.

It's inconsistent. Period. Only CAI to have proven poor airflow characteristics. Use any of the others, even stock airbox is better than JLT. CAI adds minimal power in the 11+ anyways

---------- Post added at 09:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:55 PM ----------



Not trying to talk smack about the things you own, just giving the op a heads up about low quality products
You must looked at the links I posted...lol
wnt2gofst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 09:38 PM   #8
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by wnt2gofst

You must looked at the links I posted...lol
Haha I do! Cannot deny facts
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 10:59 PM   #9
Registered Member
Regular
 
T_math_6's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Region: Oklahoma
Posts: 111
I understand man. I didn't take it to heart. I bought the car with JLT on it. I would have went with steeda myself but I haven't had any problems with JLT so far.
T_math_6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 12:58 AM   #10
Registered Member
Regular
 
coyote414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Region: Florida
Posts: 218
Nope nope, my JLT is flawless through out the rpm range through every gear, back to back dyno back dynos pretty much overlap each other between jlt, steeda, and airaid, I do get that these readings are not directly related to power... But only 1 guy has an issue with it that I've seen, everybody else has simply read his thread and freaks out. I can be wrong, if so, take it easy im very sensitive
coyote414 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 05:04 AM   #11
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by coyote414
Nope nope, my JLT is flawless through out the rpm range through every gear, back to back dyno back dynos pretty much overlap each other between jlt, steeda, and airaid, I do get that these readings are not directly related to power... But only 1 guy has an issue with it that I've seen, everybody else has simply read his thread and freaks out. I can be wrong, if so, take it easy im very sensitive
He's not the only one to report problems like that
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 06:17 AM   #12
Registered Member
Regular
 
Nygreenmachine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: New York
Posts: 131
My jlt is perfect
__________________
2014 DIB V6
Nygreenmachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 06:29 AM   #13
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Defend it all you want, facts are facts
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 07:06 AM   #14
It's not me, it's you.
Regular
Supporter
 
primer2tone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Corpus Christi
Region: Texas
Posts: 6,752
Steeda FTW! I can't wait to get home! I'll be installing my Boss IM and Steeda CAI and 93R tune.
primer2tone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 07:28 AM   #15
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Steeds is good! Fit and finish is amazing too!!

Primer, do you have a baseline dyno?
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 08:18 AM   #16
Registered Member
Regular
 
bellski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Region: Wisconsin
Posts: 283
Re: Future Upgrades

My JLT has been flawless as well, and my dyno tuner agrees with this- it also needed no modification when I installed the Boss 302 Intake.
As far as exhaust go, I am all over the LT headers, off-road x-pipe direction.
__________________
2011 GT M6 Premium- Mechanical upgrades include: Boss 302 Intake, JLT CAI, JPC LT Headers, Off Road X Pipe, and mufflers, 410 Gears, Granatelli Hot Street Coil Packs, 93 Octane Ghost Cam Tune by Jon Lund,Eibach ProKit Springs,shocks, struts and sway bars, BMR LCA's, Strut Tower Brace, and adjustable Panhard Bar, Maximum Motorsports Camber/Caster Plates, Barton Shortshifter and bracket, Wilwood Superlight Brakes w/6 and 4 piston calipers, Steeda Spyders- 9-1/2X20 with 275/35 and 11X20 with 315/35 Nitto Invos.
bellski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 08:36 AM   #17
Lorraine's driver

Regular
 
ab_mach1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Indianapolis
Region: Indiana
Posts: 7,863
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrabberBlue5.0

Haha I do! Cannot deny facts
Read about that in other forums too
__________________
Instagram: @ab_mach1
ab_mach1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 08:46 AM   #18
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by bellski
My JLT has been flawless as well, and my dyno tuner agrees with this- it also needed no modification when I installed the Boss 302 Intake.
As far as exhaust go, I am all over the LT headers, off-road x-pipe direction.
Not saying they do not work, just has more turbulent airflow characteristics than other CAI's do and makes it less consistent. Not saying you have to buy another one to replace your JLT... Like I said it works, just proven to not work as well as other brands.

Your money your car so mod as you wish. Most people would agree though that they want the most bang for the buck and best performing stuff so I am spreading my facts and knowledge
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 09:56 AM   #19
Registered Member
Regular
 
gregtommy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Region: Washington
Posts: 1,462
Send a message via AIM to gregtommy Send a message via Skype™ to gregtommy
Not to stir the pot or anything but jlt isn't complete crap. For a positive displacement sc you can't beat the 123mm air intake that turns a 624 hp to the flywheel kit into a 700 hp to the flywheel.
__________________
MOTM DEC 2011
Base SC Dyno 595rwhp/493rwtrq
Refined Tune 608rwhp/504rwtrq


Mustang history started with a 2000 v6, 2003 GT, 2007 GT, 2011 GT, all Black(coincidence)
gregtommy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 10:11 AM   #20
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by gregtommy
Not to stir the pot or anything but jlt isn't complete crap. For a positive displacement sc you can't beat the 123mm air intake that turns a 624 hp to the flywheel kit into a 700 hp to the flywheel.
Fair enough but it is a different intake for the n/a applications... In general JLT is pretty good, just not in the 11+ n/a 5.0's
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 12:35 PM   #21
Registered Member
Regular
 
coyote414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Region: Florida
Posts: 218
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrabberBlue5.0
Defend it all you want, facts are facts
What are the facts? A graph showing a different air movement that doesn't affect performance? If a link exists showing more than a different air reading than I'd like to see it.
coyote414 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 01:27 PM   #22
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by coyote414

What are the facts? A graph showing a different air movement that doesn't affect performance? If a link exists showing more than a different air reading than I'd like to see it.
The facts are that the tester found it hard to pin down shift points on the strip due to inconsistent airflow causing a jump or a decrease in power. It did affect performance because he would constantly have to shift at different rpms.

What world are you living in that different airflow would not affect power? Less airflow means running rich and more airflow means running lean. Now if his MAF was reading inconsistently, regardless of the airflow, his computer is also adjusting fuel flow.

Any way you slice it this intake is throwing off power levels especially in the high rpm range
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 02:40 PM   #23
Road Trip!
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Region: Texas
Posts: 3,606
Quote:
Originally Posted by coyote414

What are the facts? A graph showing a different air movement that doesn't affect performance? If a link exists showing more than a different air reading than I'd like to see it.
http://www.modularfords.com/f259/ste...i-test-186907/

http://www.modularfords.com/f259/cai...uality-185310/

Real world testing. He also went fastest on stock air box. That proves cold air are a waste of money. His car runs super strong being best of 10.9 n/a. He also.does own tuning. He has software only a few others have like lund. He also tuned the fastest bolt on auto 5.0 in the world. Guy knows what he doing. Oh he tuned my manual car as well.
wnt2gofst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 02:46 PM   #24
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Thanks, can't find or post link from phone
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 02:48 PM   #25
Road Trip!
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Region: Texas
Posts: 3,606
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrabberBlue5.0
Thanks, can't find or post link from phone
Np
wnt2gofst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 05:14 PM   #26
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by primer2tone
Steeda FTW! I can't wait to get home! I'll be installing my Boss IM and Steeda CAI and 93R tune.
Did you get done with the install yet?
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2012, 10:57 PM   #27
Road Trip!
 
Join Date: May 2012
Region: Canada
Posts: 389
Quote:
Originally Posted by wnt2gofst

http://www.modularfords.com/f259/ste...i-test-186907/

http://www.modularfords.com/f259/cai...uality-185310/

Real world testing. He also went fastest on stock air box. That proves cold air are a waste of money. His car runs super strong being best of 10.9 n/a. He also.does own tuning. He has software only a few others have like lund. He also tuned the fastest bolt on auto 5.0 in the world. Guy knows what he doing. Oh he tuned my manual car as well.
Actually all that proves is with his mods a cai didn't make a difference or on his best stock intake pass he had a better 60ft and launch. It is a well known fact that on an otherwise stock car a aftermarket cai makes more power with a tune then a stock car with a tune and stock airbox.
2011gt85 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2012, 05:08 AM   #28
The Blue Dragon
Regular
Supporter
 
GrabberBlue5.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Louisville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 5,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011gt85

Actually all that proves is with his mods a cai didn't make a difference or on his best stock intake pass he had a better 60ft and launch. It is a well known fact that on an otherwise stock car a aftermarket cai makes more power with a tune then a stock car with a tune and stock airbox.
More airflow is more airflow. If anything it would make an even bigger difference with a CAI because if he is drawing more fuel into the motor then he would also need to be drawin more air in, otherwise it would choke off his air supply and he would be running rich.
__________________
New quick exhaust video

AUGUST 2012 MOTM!!!!
GrabberBlue5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2012, 05:44 AM   #29
It's not me, it's you.
Regular
Supporter
 
primer2tone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Corpus Christi
Region: Texas
Posts: 6,752
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrabberBlue5.0
Steeds is good! Fit and finish is amazing too!!

Primer, do you have a baseline dyno?
Nah, I haven't had a baseline dyno done. I'm not sure if I'll ever have my car on a dyno. I don't really care what kind of numbers my car is making or who is faster. I just like to do cool mods. That's another reason why I keep up with these forums. You guys try it out and once I see the outcome, I might do my version of the mod. Y'all are like my Ginny pigs. lol.
primer2tone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2012, 12:31 PM   #30
Road Trip!
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Region: Texas
Posts: 3,606
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011gt85

Actually all that proves is with his mods a cai didn't make a difference or on his best stock intake pass he had a better 60ft and launch. It is a well known fact that on an otherwise stock car a aftermarket cai makes more power with a tune then a stock car with a tune and stock airbox.
Read what others wrote also. More then him tested. All same results. Cai did Jack. Testing on a dyno is flawed as you test with Hood open. I've explained this before. But you are to dense to understand this.

He is a full bolt on boss engine auto car. A real boss engine with the regular 5.0 pulled sitting in the garage. If cold air was going to help anyone it would be his car.
wnt2gofst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2012, 08:26 PM   #31
Registered Member
Regular
 
coyote414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Region: Florida
Posts: 218
Quote:
Originally Posted by wnt2gofst

Read what others wrote also. More then him tested. All same results. Cai did Jack. Testing on a dyno is flawed as you test with Hood open. I've explained this before. But you are to dense to understand this.

He is a full bolt on boss engine auto car. A real boss engine with the regular 5.0 pulled sitting in the garage. If cold air was going to help anyone it would be his car.
Typically 10hp doesn't yield notable track gains anyway, we can call it a cosmetic mod or a dyno mod and it will still be worth the 3xx bucks.
coyote414 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2012, 12:04 AM   #32
Road Trip!
 
Join Date: May 2012
Region: Canada
Posts: 389
Quote:
Originally Posted by wnt2gofst

Read what others wrote also. More then him tested. All same results. Cai did Jack. Testing on a dyno is flawed as you test with Hood open. I've explained this before. But you are to dense to understand this.

He is a full bolt on boss engine auto car. A real boss engine with the regular 5.0 pulled sitting in the garage. If cold air was going to help anyone it would be his car.
The only one that is dense it the one who only cares about the drag strip and 1/4 mile times. Unless you can launch and shift the same everytime and under the same conditions with the same track prep your Internet 1/4 mile info is flawed. There is more to how a cai works than being faster on a drag strip. It is proven over and over again that a cai on any car makes more power PLAIN AND SIMPLE. But making a bit more power with a cai doesn't guarantee a faster 1/4 mile time. If you know anything about how a engine works you would know that adding a bit more air into the engine means more power.
2011gt85 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2012, 12:23 AM   #33
Registered Member
Regular
 
Bladezx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Region: Canada
Posts: 389
Just looked on American muscle on the steeds CIA they claim it gives up to 44 hp I dont believe that at all
Bladezx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2012, 12:27 AM   #34
Registered Member
Regular
 
11stangGT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Region: Arkansas
Posts: 1,541
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladezx
Just looked on American muscle on the steeds CIA they claim it gives up to 44 hp I dont believe that at all
The tune that you use with it gives you most of that.. Has to have a tune..
__________________
2011 5.0
Bama 93 race tune, bbk o/r xpipe, gt500 axle backs, frpp k-springs, steeda rear lca's, 3d carbon 3d500 wing, boss/cs front fascia w boss brake cooling kit, plenty more...
11stangGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2012, 12:38 AM   #35
It's not me, it's you.
Regular
Supporter
 
primer2tone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Corpus Christi
Region: Texas
Posts: 6,752
+1^
primer2tone is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Mustang Evolution > 1979-2015 Mustang GT || Tech and Talk > 2011-2014 Mustang GT

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


» Like Us On Facebook



09:08 AM


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0

MustangEvolution.com is in no way associated with or endorsed by Ford Motor Company.