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Old 07-09-2012, 11:05 PM   #1
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Most miles on a Bama tune

I'm new to this forum, I've been reading it a lot since I bought my 2012 GT. It seems that there is a lot of good people here.

I'm looking at getting a tune, mainly to eliminate skip-shift. And, to restore the performance that I had from the factory.

I just took my car in for it's first service and I *know* that they flashed the ECU. The throttle response sucks now. Also I asked them to eliminate skip-shift and they denied that it exists! I'm ready to crawl under the car and pull the connector off the solenoid.

I'm thinking I'll just get the Pro Cal tune. I've been hearing you guys talking about the Bama tune and would like to know how reliable (like miles driven) this tune is.

I did search the forum for this question, if I missed something I apologize.

Any help would be appreciated.
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The fact is that unless you get a dyno tune that is conservative your not going to get the same reliability you will with a stock car. Any email tune will get you the power and skip shift elimination that you want but you will loose your factory powertrain warranty, and your car won't last as long as it would with the factory tune. These cars are to new to give you an idea of how long the car will last with a tune, some are in the 35,000 miles though. The procal is probably the most conservative tune around but it has it's problems to.

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Another thing is I have owned 7 tuned vehicles (3 mustangs) and if you don't like dealing with sct and the place who tuned your car lots over the phone or email then a tune isn't for you. I have data logged with tuning companies and been on the phone and email with tuning companies so many times dealing with countless issues that they just aren't worth it anymore for me. It's a dyno tune or nothing for me now
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Ok, thanks. That is along the lines of what I have read. I'm probably going to get the Pro Cal tune, after trying the next dealer in Fremont.

I do understand the risks associated with the aftermarket tunes, after reading the wealth of information here.

The ford racing site has quite a bit of FUD on this as well: http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com...les.asp?ID=134.

My car is so new (8000 miles) I'm not up for these risks yet and I'm loving it. I just want this fxxkng skip shift gone.

I appreciate the response.

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Lol no problem! How long do you generally keep vehicles? How long do you plan to keep this one? How often do you drive it?
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Well how long will a car last with a dump tune.
(looking at tuning soon too)
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Re: Most miles on a Bama tune

When you tune a car, you're not guaranteeing that you'll lose reliability with the car. It opens up a decent amount of power, reduces some of the torque reduction to the trans for autos, cranks up the throttle response a little bit, but if you use the right tune, they should be using all of the features the factory gave you - knock sensors, wideband air/fuel ratio sensors, variable cam timing, etc.

If you drive the car hard all the time, you'll notice some wear and tear, but really not much more than you would have from the factory if you drove hard. An overly aggressive tune is a problem, but not a good/solid custom tune with safe/powerful timing, safe air/fuel ratio and proper transmission settings for auto.

With the 2011+, the wideband air/fuel ratio, knock sensors and datalogging capability give tuners the ability to offer an insanely precise tune via mail order that can be even more accurate than most dyno tunes from tuners who don't have their hands on a high volume of 2011+'s.

We've got thousands of extremely hard miles on our fleet of 2011+'s, and have had no issues whatsoever. We offer a cylinder #8 warranty, and we have tuned more Mustangs than any other aftermarket company in the world. We stand behind our work and test/develop tunes every day on our in-house Dynojet 224xLC. We've invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in state-of-the-art OE-quality datalogging and data acquisition software, lab-quality air/fuel ratio sensors and training/certifications for our Bama team of over 7 members.

I know we've got tunes that have now been on daily driver 2011 GT's for a little over 2 years at this point. I've spoken to customers that are well into the 40-50k mile range and the cars are still running strong!

Hope this helps! If you have any more questions, just hit the Bama team up! Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 10AM-3PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away!

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I'm not trying to be mean, but we need to make sure that we are not spreading incorrect info. If you don't know what you're talking about then listen and learn instead of trying to teach bad info...

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When you tune a car, you're not guaranteeing that you'll lose reliability with the car. It opens up a decent amount of power, reduces some of the torque reduction to the trans for autos, cranks up the throttle response a little bit, but if you use the right tune, they should be using all of the features the factory gave you - knock sensors, wideband air/fuel ratio sensors, variable cam timing, etc.

If you drive the car hard all the time, you'll notice some wear and tear, but really not much more than you would have from the factory if you drove hard. An overly aggressive tune is a problem, but not a good/solid custom tune with safe/powerful timing, safe air/fuel ratio and proper transmission settings for auto.

With the 2011+, the wideband air/fuel ratio, knock sensors and datalogging capability give tuners the ability to offer an insanely precise tune via mail order that can be even more accurate than most dyno tunes from tuners who don't have their hands on a high volume of 2011+'s.

We've got thousands of extremely hard miles on our fleet of 2011+'s, and have had no issues whatsoever. We offer a cylinder #8 warranty, and we have tuned more Mustangs than any other aftermarket company in the world. We stand behind our work and test/develop tunes every day on our in-house Dynojet 224xLC. We've invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in state-of-the-art OE-quality datalogging and data acquisition software, lab-quality air/fuel ratio sensors and training/certifications for our Bama team of over 7 members.

I know we've got tunes that have now been on daily driver 2011 GT's for a little over 2 years at this point. I've spoken to customers that are well into the 40-50k mile range and the cars are still running strong!

Hope this helps! If you have any more questions, just hit the Bama team up! Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 10AM-3PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away!

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I agree. It's all in how you treat the car. If you just beat on it relentlessly, it's gonna take a toll,but that goes for any car in the world. I personally have had good relations with Bama. I run the race tune 24/7 along with my other mods. I have a couple there at AM/BAMA who have and are being very helpful with the datalogging I am doing with Livelink. Everybody has opinions. One day I will go get on the dyno and get a tune that is tweaked to where there is nothing left on the table.For now I only got a few mods to go performance wise and several more for appearance. Need the MGW short throw,stout clutch,susp. mods along with another set of wheels and tires.Weld or race star.Like some skinnies and good drag radials or slicks.
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Re: Most miles on a Bama tune

Thanks for great information.

@2011gt85: Generally I kept my rice burners 5 years. I’m getting up there in age. I might think about keeping this one for my son. I understand after 2013, we’re looking at a something less in appearance than we have. I drive this car daily to the Silicon Valley.

@AMDanBailer: I appreciate your response and I really want to try your products. I write software drivers for Windows that supports very specific hardware, and this is a fortune 500 company (which I won’t name). Do you think we would support this hardware if there was a third party that reverse engineered our driver? From your description of the product that you gave me, this is exactly what you guys are doing. We call this hacking and the people that do this have no understanding of the hardware and/or the tolerances within which the hardware can operate. We would never support this and the warranty for the hardware warranty would be voided, unless there were special circumstances like the federal government.

Given this, I am still interested in your products. I see a lot of people in this forum that use the Bama tune. I’m trying to understand the reliability of your product. And, since this is a forum, I would like to hear from your customers.

@GrabberBlue5.0 I’m confused by the post from GrabberBlue5.0 that was edited by deadsp0t. I’m an old fart. If anyone is trying to prevent me from getting my feelings hurt, I don’t care. Bash away.

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Ok, thanks. That is along the lines of what I have read. I'm probably going to get the Pro Cal tune, after trying the next dealer in Fremont.

I do understand the risks associated with the aftermarket tunes, after reading the wealth of information here.

The ford racing site has quite a bit of FUD on this as well: http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com...les.asp?ID=134.

My car is so new (8000 miles) I'm not up for these risks yet and I'm loving it. I just want this fxxkng skip shift gone.

I appreciate the response.

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Ha, the coyote is made in Canada Thanks again.
If you live in fremont you might as well take your car to aed in sacramento. Go to their website or give them a call trust me you won't be dissapointed.
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Ok, thanks. U in the bay area?

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Long drive for me though.

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This one: http://www.advancedenginedevelopment.com/aboutus.html ?
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Ok, thanks. U in the bay area?

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Long drive for me though.

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This one: http://www.advancedenginedevelopment.com/aboutus.html ?
I live in San Jose but im working in Colorado for the next few months. Its not that far or atleast for me im on the road most of my free time visiting family in sacramento (15mins away from the track) and go to LA and Vegas were I know most of the tuners. Are you closer to sacramento or fresno?

And yes thats them real cool guys and very helpfull.
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Thanks!

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Still looking for the answer to the original question. How many of you have mileage on Bama tunes?
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Re: Most miles on a Bama tune

6000 miles with race tune but I,m still under 10,000 miles on my 12 GT.
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I was just saying that one member on here was spreading bad info, then a tuner came and corrected him as did one or two others members. And don't worry about that edit by deadsp0t
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I do not have a bama tune, but my car has been tuned since about 8k and I have 33k now with zero issues. There are lots of people that have 10's of thousands of miles with no issues with the tune. A tune can make the vehicle more efficient making it work less. Longevity is in large part about your driving style an how hard you push it
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Thanks!

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Still looking for the answer to the original question. How many of you have mileage on Bama tunes?
I know I've got a different year, 2004 GT and a different tuner, canned tune from DiabloSport!.. But I've had my car for over five years, got it with just under 30,000 miles on it and now have over 120,000 on it!.. I put the tune in it shortly after getting it and have had zero problems with it!.. Ya that would be about 90,000 in five years on a canned tune!.. Hope that helps to remove some of your concerns!..
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Thanks!

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Still looking for the answer to the original question. How many of you have mileage on Bama tunes?
From what I hear they do good tunes just remember to tell them that you live in CA and only have 91oct not 93oct. For me the tune and the way you drive it are the main veriables of how much miles your cars going to last. If all you want is the skip shift off you must realize that the second your car get the tune on it your warranty is void to me I would ride out the warranty my girlfriends brother had the whipple installed by the ford and they were nice enough to take it off for him but we know the owner of the dealer personally and he said of the warranty becomes void just take it to him and he will personaly complete the warranty but he know my future brother in law and knows he rarely takes it past 4k rpm, im the only person that has launched it since he got it.
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I was just saying that one member on here was spreading bad info, then a tuner came and corrected him as did one or two others members. And don't worry about that edit by deadsp0t
The info I have wasn't bad info, it was my personal experience with tunes, tuners and vehicles running email tunes. And of course bama is going to tell you what they did, they are in the business of selling tunes so thy want to sell you there tunes.
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I do not have a bama tune, but my car has been tuned since about 8k and I have 33k now with zero issues. There are lots of people that have 10's of thousands of miles with no issues with the tune. A tune can make the vehicle more efficient making it work less. Longevity is in large part about your driving style an how hard you push it
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I'll repeat myself for you. Just as there are people that have had good experiences with email tunes there are people that have had bad ones. Problems with email tunes, using the sct and it's software and data logging back and forth numerous times are very common in the world of email tunes. And as I told the thread starter if you not into doing this stuff a email tune isn't for him.
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[QUOTE="2011gt85"]The fact is that unless you get a dyno tune that is conservative your not going to get the same reliability you will with a stock car. Any email tune will get you the power and skip shift elimination that you want but you will loose your factory powertrain warranty, and your car won't last as long as it would with the factory tune. These cars are to new to give you an idea of how long the car will last with a tune, some are in the 35,000 miles though. The procal is probably the most conservative tune around but it has it's problems to.

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Another thing is I have owned 7 tuned vehicles (3 mustangs) and if you don't like dealing with sct and the place who tuned your car lots over the phone or email then a tune isn't for you. I have data logged with tuning companies and been on the[COLOR="Silver"][QUOTE]

You continue to talk about how these motors won't last because they are tuned, which isn't correct. Many of these tuned vehicles are lasting tend of thousands of miles. A tuner wouldn't make a tune that was too hard on the motor behave then no one would buy there tunes because they are bad. Most of these mainstream tuners have the reputations they do because they make good, long lasting tunes that are NOT harmful. Many of these tunes actually make then engine more efficient which could increase longevity due to less power being required to do the same thing that your car would on a stock tune. Again, the life of the motor depends more on your right foot than anything else.
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Ok, got it. I misinterpreted your post. Please excuse my ignorance.

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I meant that last comment for GrabberBlue. Good advice, I'm going with the Ford racing tune. As everyone says, after the warranty is gone...

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I waited till I had 30,000 trouble free miles on my mustang before I added a tuner. My car runs solid I've got 3 tunes on my tuner but I've only used the 93 Street tune so far. I don't track the car I don't drag race. I might pull on somebody on the hwy but that's about it. It meets my needs just fine and I've only got about 3,000 miles on the tune.
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I know I've got a different year, 2004 GT and a different tuner, canned tune from DiabloSport!.. But I've had my car for over five years, got it with just under 30,000 miles on it and now have over 120,000 on it!.. I put the tune in it shortly after getting it and have had zero problems with it!.. Ya that would be about 90,000 in five years on a canned tune!.. Hope that helps to remove some of your concerns!..
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I agree with some of the things you said but not the longevity. I'm sorry but 10/20/30/40 thousand km/miles isn't long at all! When the word longevity is used that means long term, which is 180,000+ and a tuned motor that is tuned for lower ets more hp and more tq isn't lasting as long as a stock tuned motor plain and simple. I don't care if you drive your car like like a 80 year old and only go 40 the tuned car isn't lasting as long. That is all I meant in my post about not lasting as long. There is no doubt in my mind that a tuned car will run fine for 10/20/30/40 even 80k miles but saying it will be just as reliable and long lasting as a stock one is complete bs. And when I talked about problems I was talking about the 07 gt tuned I had that I had to datalog 5 times with my tuner to dial it in and the countless phone calls and emails with tuners about problems I was having with codes, idle issues, sct issues, software issues etc...and if your not prepared to do this tuning isn't for you. The fact is there are tons of people that have to jump through these hoops to get an email tune to work and it's not for everyone.

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I know I've got a different year, 2004 GT and a different tuner, canned tune from DiabloSport!.. But I've had my car for over five years, got it with just under 30,000 miles on it and now have over 120,000 on it!.. I put the tune in it shortly after getting it and have had zero problems with it!.. Ya that would be about 90,000 in five years on a canned tune!.. Hope that helps to remove some of your concerns!..
Right on! Those 2004-motors seem to last forever! A guy in a mustang club I'm in has a 03 or 04 Mach 1 and it has 280k kms on it and it has had nitrous on it way back cai and dyno tune.
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Ok, got it. I misinterpreted your post. Please excuse my ignorance.

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I meant that last comment for GrabberBlue. Good advice, I'm going with the Ford racing tune. As everyone says, after the warranty is gone...

Thanks for the advice!
If your talking about the procal then don't waste your money..

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I agree with some of the things you said but not the longevity. I'm sorry but 10/20/30/40 thousand km/miles isn't long at all! When the word longevity is used that means long term, which is 180,000+ and a tuned motor that is tuned for lower ets more hp and more tq isn't lasting as long as a stock tuned motor plain and simple. I don't care if you drive your car like like a 80 year old and only go 40 the tuned car isn't lasting as long. That is all I meant in my post about not lasting as long. There is no doubt in my mind that a tuned car will run fine for 10/20/30/40 even 80k miles but saying it will be just as reliable and long lasting as a stock one is complete bs. And when I talked about problems I was talking about the 07 gt tuned I had that I had to datalog 5 times with my tuner to dial it in and the countless phone calls and emails with tuners about problems I was having with codes, idle issues, sct issues, software issues etc...and if your not prepared to do this tuning isn't for you. The fact is there are tons of people that have to jump through these hoops to get an email tune to work and it's not for everyone.

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Right on! Those 2004-motors seem to last forever! A guy in a mustang club I'm in has a 03 or 04 Mach 1 and it has 280k kms on it and it has had nitrous on it way back cai and dyno tune.
Do you have proof the motor won't last as long? No.. Here-say.. The only proof either way is a car w X amount of miles(180k+ according to you) that either has problems or doesn't.. This car doesn't exist and won't for quite sometime.. BUT as SOME sort of reference there are plenty of other cars and trucks on the road w tunes of some kind that are well into the 200k range w no issues other than typical stuff that you have to replace after having a vehicle that long.. Until the day comes when one of our car blows a motor w 80-100k or whatever then truth is no one really knows for sure either way.. This entire thread is nothing but opinions bc there are no facts to base these statements on.. All that being said I have 13k on my Bama 93 race tune roughly (18k on the car) and no issues.. I went w Bama bc If they give you a bad tune and blow your motor they're gonna cover it..
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I agree with some of the things you said but not the longevity. I'm sorry but 10/20/30/40 thousand km/miles isn't long at all! When the word longevity is used that means long term, which is 180,000+ and a tuned motor that is tuned for lower ets more hp and more tq isn't lasting as long as a stock tuned motor plain and simple. I don't care if you drive your car like like a 80 year old and only go 40 the tuned car isn't lasting as long. That is all I meant in my post about not lasting as long. There is no doubt in my mind that a tuned car will run fine for 10/20/30/40 even 80k miles but saying it will be just as reliable and long lasting as a stock one is complete bs. And when I talked about problems I was talking about the 07 gt tuned I had that I had to datalog 5 times with my tuner to dial it in and the countless phone calls and emails with tuners about problems I was having with codes, idle issues, sct issues, software issues etc...and if your not prepared to do this tuning isn't for you. The fact is there are tons of people that have to jump through these hoops to get an email tune to work and it's not for everyone.

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Right on! Those 2004-motors seem to last forever! A guy in a mustang club I'm in has a 03 or 04 Mach 1 and it has 280k kms on it and it has had nitrous on it way back cai and dyno tune.
Ya so far the 4.6 PI motors seem to last with a good tune!.. I have a buddy with a 2000 GT with over 220,000 miles on it with a tune and no problems!.. Except his brake calibers keep seizing up on him now!.. Lol.

I used to have a '96 Monte-Carlo Z34 with power control module, it's much like a tuner!.. Car ran great, all the way through 190,000 miles!.. So I would say it's all in the tune and other mods too!.. Along with how you drive!..
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Do you have proof the motor won't last as long? No.. Here-say.. The only proof either way is a car w X amount of miles(180k+ according to you) that either has problems or doesn't.. This car doesn't exist and won't for quite sometime.. BUT as SOME sort of reference there are plenty of other cars and trucks on the road w tunes of some kind that are well into the 200k range w no issues other than typical stuff that you have to replace after having a vehicle that long.. Until the day comes when one of our car blows a motor w 80-100k or whatever then truth is no one really knows for sure either way.. This entire thread is nothing but opinions bc there are no facts to base these statements on.. All that being said I have 13k on my Bama 93 race tune roughly (18k on the car) and no issues.. I went w Bama bc If they give you a bad tune and blow your motor they're gonna cover it..
As far as the new 5.0, this is it.. Like stated the rest is theory and opinion. No worries though, in the next few years ppl will be crossing 100k and the FACTS will be known.
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You guys are correct, anything I have to say is speculation and I'll stop babbling until we know for sure lol

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Just to put it out there my old v6 car was tuned at 30k with one of the early email tunes from vmp. I drove that car like it hurt me for 100k more miles before selling it. It's still driven everyday by the current owner with over 150k and no issues besides normal wear problems.

As long as you get a quality tune I don't see any issues with longevity appearing.
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Wow, a blast. Difficult to read it all. I definitely will.

So this all started because I took the car in for the 1st service at 8000 miles. I changed the oil in the first 3000 because it used two quarts, then two more. Rather than take it to the dealer I just got it the filter and oil changed at the local oil changer (they are called different things in different parts of the country). I figured the rings hadn't seated. It's not using any oil at all now. Plus after freaking out after two quarts I read here that people had the same problem.

I took it to the dealer because:

1. Shifting into second sucks:

2012 Ford Mustang Power Train Service Bulletin 330105

NHTSA: Action Number: 10042484 Service Bulletin Number: 330105
Report Date:
Nov 03, 2011
Component:
Power Train


Summary: Ford: on vehicles with 6 speed manual transmission, vehicle
may experience, in cold ambient temperatures, an increased shift
effort noticeable in 1st and 2nd gears. *pe

I'm getting this crunch when shifting into second. I don't care if it's 100 degrees.

2. I wanted them to get rid of skip shift.

3. Oil change

Here's what I got from that visit:

1. The transmission "expert" told me that skip shift doesn't exist. That are no solenoids on a manual transmission. BS. There is clearly a skip shift solonoid.
2. My car runs like sh*t now. The throttle response is different and the power band is different. It seems to be running leaner now (?). The low end is different. On the freeway 5th gear ain't the same. My only explanation is that they flashed the ECU.
3. My gas mileage sucks now. I filled up this morning (91) and burned a quarter tank going 30 miles. This didn't happen before. I could go 60 miles before the needle would move(work and back). I don't believe the gas mileage readout, I was getting 12mpg when I could drive back and forth to work with less than a quarter tank. Now ilm "getting" 17mpg. 5th gear (or any gear for that matter was sweet).
4. They want to keep the car overnight so they can drive it in the morning for second gear shift problem. WTF?

I have to add "Livermore Ford" Livermore CA. I hope this shows up on google.

I'm PO'ed

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Ok, please educate me. What about it won't meet my objectives?
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Wow, a blast. Difficult to read it all. I definitely will.

So this all started because I took the car in for the 1st service at 8000 miles. I changed the oil in the first 3000 because it used two quarts, then two more. Rather than take it to the dealer I just got it the filter and oil changed at the local oil changer (they are called different things in different parts of the country). I figured the rings hadn't seated. It's not using any oil at all now. Plus after freaking out after two quarts I read here that people had the same problem.

I took it to the dealer because:

1. Shifting into second sucks:

2012 Ford Mustang Power Train Service Bulletin 330105

NHTSA: Action Number: 10042484 Service Bulletin Number: 330105
Report Date:
Nov 03, 2011
Component:
Power Train

Summary: Ford: on vehicles with 6 speed manual transmission, vehicle
may experience, in cold ambient temperatures, an increased shift
effort noticeable in 1st and 2nd gears. *pe

I'm getting this crunch when shifting into second. I don't care if it's 100 degrees.

2. I wanted them to get rid of skip shift.

3. Oil change

Here's what I got from that visit:

1. The transmission "expert" told me that skip shift doesn't exist. That are no solenoids on a manual transmission. BS. There is clearly a skip shift solonoid.
2. My car runs like sh*t now. The throttle response is different and the power band is different. It seems to be running leaner now (?). The low end is different. On the freeway 5th gear ain't the same. My only explanation is that they flashed the ECU.
3. My gas mileage sucks now. I filled up this morning (91) and burned a quarter tank going 30 miles. This didn't happen before. I could go 60 miles before the needle would move(work and back). I don't believe the gas mileage readout, I was getting 12mpg when I could drive back and forth to work with less than a quarter tank. Now ilm "getting" 17mpg. 5th gear (or any gear for that matter was sweet).
4. They want to keep the car overnight so they can drive it in the morning for second gear shift problem. WTF?

I have to add "Livermore Ford" Livermore CA. I hope this shows up on google.

I'm PO'ed

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Ok, please educate me. What about it won't meet my objectives?
From what I've seen the procal has VERY limited options w VERY little power yielded.. If your gonna void your warranty anyway then go w a aftermarket tuner and an SCT programmer.. It doesn't eliminate skip shift I dont think (could be wrong).. If you start modding it will be much easier to deal w an SCT as opposed to procal.. 95% of us that are tuning out vehicles are using SCT and some sort of aftermarket tune whether it be a Dyno tune or canned..
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http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-procal-2011gt.html

Have a look at the reviews. "skip shift is gone...". I've seen this on the ford website that doesn't load right now.

Im sure you have better things to do. The claim is that it does remove skip shift.

I want my factory tune back or better.

Either way, I'll figure it out.
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