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Old 07-17-2012, 09:10 PM   #1
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Power from a blower or Natural Aspirated?

Hey guys! I was just curious--What going to be faster to a top speed run: A '12 5.0 with a blower at 550rwhp or a naturally aspirated '12 5.0 at 550rwhp? Both manuals. I was just mainly curious what is better. What are the pros and cons to having a naturally aspirated engine opposed to a engine with boost? And vise versa?
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I really wanna see a n/a 5.0 make 550 rwhp. That'd be nuts
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I would say the one with the blower it should have more torque although there is a lot more to it than just engine displacement. Aerodynamics becomes key above 100mph and weight is something to consider as well. I've tuned my gt for top speed and am currently making custom front splitters and rear diffusers.
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I really wanna see a n/a 5.0 make 550 rwhp. That'd be nuts
Ive been searching the net but i cant find it! I saw a video recently of some guy who if i remember right is making around that hp. He had a 5.0 blueprinted and balanced for his car with cams, serious headwork, and the whole shootin match. It mightve not been 550 but i remember its 5-somethin.
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Ive been searching the net but i cant find it! I saw a video recently of some guy who if i remember right is making around that hp. He had a 5.0 blueprinted and balanced for his car with cams, serious headwork, and the whole shootin match. It mightve not been 550 but i remember its 5-somethin.
There's a few over 500... One hit 507 and another hit 522, if you google those numbers and 5.0 I'm sure you'll find them
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We talking at the wheels?
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Definitely the boosted car. From what I've learned there n/a car would have far less tq than the boosted car, which will tremendously hurt a 0-60 run (assuming perfect traction).

Like the famous saying goes "hp sells cars, tq wins races"
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Re: Power from a blower or Natural Aspirated?

If it's a true top speed run, Bonneville style, it doesn't matter how fast you accelerate. Generally they start off slow and steady. It doesn't matter how you make the power, it's aero, weight balance, induced drag, etc.

pros of boost are it's easy. Bolt the blower on, tune it and go. 550 n/a would be higher than anybody's pushed an n/a build, would require every trick in the book to get there and wouldn't be a docile daily driver any more.

Cons of SC boost are it can tend to cook engines. The additional heat from the compressed charge tends to run cylinder temps up and since the motor's not really built for that, it'll shorten its lifespan. Other cons are increased engine weight ahead of and over the front wheels, which has a handling effect and complications around the belt drive on the front of the engine straining things like the #1 crank bearing. We haven't had enough long-term testing on these engines yet to see if alot of these issues will become issues, though.
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The 500 hp n/a mustang was from jpcracing if I remember correctly and the package was around 11-15k. The video should be on YouTube somewhere
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The 500 hp n/a mustang was from jpcracing if I remember correctly and the package was around 11-15k. The video should be on YouTube somewhere
There are a few non race shop mustangs that are running 500+ n/a
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Matt Dasilva has a 500 plus HP s197 5.0 all motor no bottle running high 10s and im pretty sure its from bolt ons. Check him out on youtube.
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Re: Power from a blower or Natural Aspirated?

Nobody's running 500+ whp na on a 5.0 with bolt ons unless you consider heads cams and rotating assembly, "bolt on". Da Silva's S197 is "stock long block" mph under 120 on 3150 pounds which isn't adding up to needing 500 horse, even if you add a 200 pound driver to that weight. Breaking 120 took full Livernois head treatment and comp cams. It's an impressive achievement but, there's alot more than meets the eye here and nobody should get the impression you're a full exhaust and tune away from 500 whp on a 5.0.
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Nobody's running 500+ whp na on a 5.0 with bolt ons unless you consider heads cams and rotating assembly, "bolt on". Da Silva's S197 is "stock long block" mph under 120 on 3150 pounds which isn't adding up to needing 500 horse, even if you add a 200 pound driver to that weight. Breaking 120 took full Livernois head treatment and comp cams. It's an impressive achievement but, there's alot more than meets the eye here and nobody should get the impression you're a full exhaust and tune away from 500 whp on a 5.0.
Who said with bolt ons? There is a few with 500+whp n/a and without livernois help. But yes it was a very expensive build and every part had to be reworked.
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