help on 5.0 purchase!

[BigRig]

hey yall im new here so pardon my lack of knowledge. ive always wanted a mustang and finally have a job that gives me that opportunity, originally i wanted to get the 2012 Boss now im thinken of just sticken with the 2011 GT.. i want to end up getting a modest 600hp at the wheels out of her, and which would be the smarter car to get? (including the '12 GT) it wont be my daily driving since i live in WI but i will drive it alot season permitting, i dont want to break any records but i still want some solid American muscle backen my car up! any help is greatly appreciated!

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also i plan on sticking with an Auto if that helps, which i know the Boss dont have, but if its smarter off i can always go manual

[deadsp0t]

Boss has forged internals, worked heads and will last longer with you power goals if you can find one for msrp. Plus the suspension, seats, and any other upgrade idk about. Msrp is not much more then then a premium GT, and you can not build the bottom end, heads, intake etc etc for the 5k msrp difference.

[GrabberBlue5.0]

Deadspot is pretty much spot on. While a GT can handle 600 at the rear wheels (have heard of it quite often) a boss can handle quite a bit more being forged. But if you wanna save a little money and have a few more amenities then I say go with premium GT and with the money you would've spent on the boss upgrade you can get your 600 at the rear wheels.

[BigRig]

thanks guys, with the boss id probly go for a whipple or a vortech, comments on that? also what are the more important upgrades to make when adding that much more power to the car? tranny,shifter,rods any of that? like i said im new, been trying to read anything i can to get ideas but theres such a broad view of opinions n choices! thanks again

[GrabberBlue5.0]

That's the beauty of these motors. There are kits made for these motors with just the supercharger injectors and tune. You can easily create this power on stock motor. It's all about having a good tune though. Now there are some recommended upgrades but nothing is a must. If you wanna know what is recommended just ask and you shall receive.

As far as whipple vs vortech, I think it's really about twin screw vs centri. Personally I wouldn't buy either of those brands. I would say roush vs paxton just to be honest, depends on what you want out of the car but both will get you to 600 with no problem

[BigRig]

i just want something i dont have to worry about messing up anything else in my car, my uncles a mechanic so id be sonewhat ok but id rather not chance it, for gears does it depend the hp your putting out, just what u prefer or what is stronger? i see alot go witg 3:73 but then some with 4:10

[Mikeyt03]

3.73 is too much for a FI car. 3.55 or 3.31 would be better. I would never super charge my 5.0 unless I had forged internals, or enough money to not care if I blow the engine. People say they will be fine, but in reality, the first supercharged 5.0 is probably about 2 years old, so you do t really know.

[GrabberBlue5.0]

I recommend 3.55 gears, 4.10's way too much even without FI and 3.73's are pushing it.

If you want the built motor then get a boss if you want the auto then get the GT, mods are more plentiful and less expensive for GT also

[BigRig]

haha yea not looking to blow money on a blown engine, and a auto would just be more convinient, but i know manual is where the fun is at, ill probly go with the boss then so i have less chance ruining anything on the inside,and well, it is a Boss just gotta figure out the right add ons that accent eachothee the best,like i said i dont want to be the fastest around, but if im getten a stang shes gna have some good power besides just the stock

[claudermilk]

Originally Posted by BigRig

modest 600hp

[Lugnut]

can't beat the BOSS much stronger for the money

[Smoke]

Whatever u do don't get an auto. manuals way more fun

[Jgill1992]

Boss. Manual. Nuff said.

[Smoke]

Originally Posted by Jgill1992

Boss. Manual. Nuff said.

.+1 or get u a 12 gt brembo car same dame thing minus the boss intake and bout 20 grand less

[Merben50]

Boss just take out the plates that restrict out flow from the side exit exhaust.
If you don't mind me asking, what do you do?

[godsdisciple85]

I say you get the boss and go with the paxton then you can utilize the boss manifold and the boss is 3.73 gearing so you could keep it at a more conservative 550 rwhp and not have to worry about anything just know that you will never have enough power you will always want more at least with the boss you have less of a chance of blowing you engine with the forged internals but even then you still have a chance... What i have told to many of my friends is get a number in your mind and then work toward that number but once your there don't get greedy cause thats when bad things happen...like i said above 550 rwhp is very good and somewhat conservative should have no problems with either platform at that number...over 600 and you really have to worry

[BigRig]

what do i plan on doing with the car as in driving? or my job? and thanks for the input guys im deffinitly leanen at the Boss bc the forged internals, just seems a safer bet

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thanks disciple thats what i been tryen to ask haha, yea after talken to a few mustang friends they said stick with 500-550 whp its a better bet specially if im not gna track it often, so yea ill probly stay away from the hellion twin turbo then, which i hear turbo chargers arent as good for the engine as super chargers, is that true?

[godsdisciple85]

Well technically the turbo puts less strain on the engine cause its not belt driven (correct me if I'm wrong) the problem is that the turbos for the 5.0 have not been perfected and tested like the superchargers have so you have more people that have great results with both styles of superchargers, not that the turbo wouldn't be awesome check out twinturbo50.com, just less tested is all

[Merben50]

Originally Posted by BigRig

what do i plan on doing with the car as in driving? or my job? and thanks for the input guys im deffinitly leanen at the Boss bc the forged internals, just seems a safer bet

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thanks disciple thats what i been tryen to ask haha, yea after talken to a few mustang friends they said stick with 500-550 whp its a better bet specially if im not gna track it often, so yea ill probly stay away from the hellion twin turbo then, which i hear turbo chargers arent as good for the engine as super chargers, is that true?

Job wise!

[BigRig]

im a governnent contractor..thats a cool site, them cars are pushen alot! i still am thinken turbo since you can adjust them, would that be better for a car ill also use as a DD in the summer as well as racing? meaning less gas consumtion since its not really hitting till 3500-4000rpms? i know i cant worry about gas too much with what i want, but still also with it not really winding in lower rpms is that better for the engine when im just cruising as apposed to a supercharger?

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and by racing i mean rarely, couple times through the season maybe

[godsdisciple85]

With the paxton centri style supercharger you wont start making boost until the mid rpms similar to the turbo

[BigRig]

i checked paxtons site before and they dont make a supercharger for the boss, unlesd theyre v8 tuner package is dual compatable, any thoughts on the edelbrock? puts 559hp and has a better warranty than ive seen, 5 year 60k miles and the roush might be a bit much,bout 615hp but after talking,like i said prolly stick to a little lower hp

[DDTCM]

Originally Posted by Mikeyt03

3.73 is too much for a FI car. 3.55 or 3.31 would be better. I would never super charge my 5.0 unless I had forged internals, or enough money to not care if I blow the engine. People say they will be fine, but in reality, the first supercharged 5.0 is probably about 2 years old, so you do t really know.

3.73 is to much for a FI car? Depends what you are running. 4.10 are perfect for a Paxton/Vortec. Some love 4.10s with a Whipple,it's a matter of opinion. Slapping a blower on a 5.0 is completely safe,they will safely handle 500+ which is plenty for a street car. 500+ on a 4.6 is a ticking time bomb.

[GrabberBlue5.0]

Opinion on edelbrock? Stay away

[BigRig]

haha ok..so will the paxton work for the boss or just gt? cuz if thats the case id go vortech i think for the boss, wipples too much for now i think

[GrabberBlue5.0]

I can't say for sure that it would work but I can't imagine why it wouldn't work?

[DWC_SmOziLLa]

Procharger sells a BOSS specific kit on AM.

[BigRig]

well guys i really appreciate the help! i think i made my decision, for now :p '12 Boss with the Hellion twin turbo, i like the fact with the turbo its easy to adjust your boost from say cruisen to race ready, im still gna look around a little but wish me luck! pictures will be up as soon as it happens!

[GrabberBlue5.0]

Good luck keep us posted!!

[BigRig]

deffinitly, cant wait to be a part of the Stang "family"!

[Edens5]

Originally Posted by BigRig

haha ok..so will the paxton work for the boss or just gt? cuz if thats the case id go vortech i think for the boss, wipples too much for now i think

Teambeefcakeracing.com the boss supercharger on AM is a horse and pony show, a 2011-2013 gt supercharger will work with a boss. U may need a few extra parts n the fitment wont be easy, but neither is a gt. go to that website, they have nice prices.

[DDTCM]

Originally Posted by BigRig

well guys i really appreciate the help! i think i made my decision, for now :p '12 Boss with the Hellion twin turbo, i like the fact with the turbo its easy to adjust your boost from say cruisen to race ready, im still gna look around a little but wish me luck! pictures will be up as soon as it happens!

[Jgill1992]

Originally Posted by BigRig

well guys i really appreciate the help! i think i made my decision, for now :p '12 Boss with the Hellion twin turbo, i like the fact with the turbo its easy to adjust your boost from say cruisen to race ready, im still gna look around a little but wish me luck! pictures will be up as soon as it happens!

Did I mention I'm totally jealous ? Lol

I want a new boss so bad but I'm just trying to save up because I REALLY have my heart set on a used 2013 GT500. Gotta wait till they become available used.

[tolly5.0]

U, me & everyone else..lol.

[godsdisciple85]

Originally Posted by tolly5.0

U, me & everyone else..lol.

not me im happy with my snake...lol however it is an amazing beast just not worth the money i cant reach those numbers plus for an eighth of the money but if anyone wants to but me one i wont refuse lol