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Old 08-04-2012, 06:40 PM   #1
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Hey guys my next step is tuning, I'm thinking bama tunes with steeda CAI, saw some cool things at a mustang show today. Anyone have any literature that I can check out. I'm looking for what it does. Pros and cons. Wait times on tunes and difficulty. Thanks in advance. I want to know everything about it before it goes on my stang.
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Hey guys my next step is tuning, I'm thinking bama tunes with steeda CAI, saw some cool things at a mustang show today. Anyone have any literature that I can check out. I'm looking for what it does. Pros and cons. Wait times on tunes and difficulty. Thanks in advance. I want to know everything about it before it goes on my stang.
Same boat here... Very interested to see te responses
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Hey guys my next step is tuning, I'm thinking bama tunes with steeda CAI, saw some cool things at a mustang show today. Anyone have any literature that I can check out. I'm looking for what it does. Pros and cons. Wait times on tunes and difficulty. Thanks in advance. I want to know everything about it before it goes on my stang.
I've heard good and bad things. Pros that its better than stock, you will save more gas and have more throttle response

Cons (from what I heard) not the best performance out there,more for the daily driver rather than track/drag, problems that occur when uploading like some files not written correctly
Besides that AM has great customer service and will do everything they can to help you out
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I've heard good and bad things. Pros that its better than stock, you will save more gas and have more throttle response

Cons (from what I heard) not the best performance out there,more for the daily driver rather than track/drag, problems that occur when uploading like some files not written correctly
Besides that AM has great customer service and will do everything they can to help you out
Is that bama that's writting those files??
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Is that bama that's writting those files??
Idk I wished I knew, either way I just got my car and I don't want to void the warranty lol i'm pretty sure tho that when you buy the tuner you have to talk to a employee or fill out a form on what mods you have and they write the tunes
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Yeah I'm not too concerned about the warranties because I'm in a 2010, but I'm all about mpg gains with better throttle response. Not to mention making my exhaust sound better. I'm just hoping it does all these things haha
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Yeah. I'm trying to get all the mods I want that don't require a tune first so hopefully I'll only need the one set of tunes written for me. I don't really want to have to mess around with tunes a lot. Let me know how it goes.
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Doug, the former owner of Bama moved over to C&L as their only tuner. CLICK I have a C&L CAI and Doug tune in the mail.
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Very happy with my boss manifold, steeda CAI and steeda tune on my 2011. No drivability issues at all. Throttle response is there throughout the rpm range. No hiccups or anything. Highly recommend them.
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Very happy with my boss manifold, steeda CAI and steeda tune on my 2011. No drivability issues at all. Throttle response is there throughout the rpm range. No hiccups or anything. Highly recommend them.
Do u know what ur pushing to the wheels? Possibly without the boss intake installed too
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So your tunes won't void factory warranty?
With the exception of the Ford Racing Performance Tune, your warranty is toast as soon as you flash your ECU, although tune-friendly Ford dealers might look the other way if you have trouble.

AM/Bama will provide a warranty for #8 cylinder failure, but failures are rare. Bama will also give you free tunes for life, which means that if you upgrade your car incrementally, you can receive recalibrated tunes at no cost.

Even recognizing the risks, I don't think you can go wrong with either Bama or Steeda tunes. I ran Bama tunes in my departed '11 GT and in my new '13 GT without any issues and with significant performance gains. These companies wouldn't be in business for long if their customers started having engine trouble. Bama claims 30RWHP gain with a tune and an Airaid CAI on their '13 GT.

Nothing is perfect: the Ford tune provides a significant boost in low end torque, but some people have had problems with pinging. Although I've had no problems with my Bama tunes, the SCT programmer has given nothing but trouble. Cooling vents on the hood of the '13's supposedly leak water on to aftermarket CAI's.
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Doug at C&L will give free upgrade tunes for life also.
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With the exception of the Ford Racing Performance Tune, your warranty is toast as soon as you flash your ECU, although tune-friendly Ford dealers might look the other way if you have trouble.

AM/Bama will provide a warranty for #8 cylinder failure, but failures are rare. Bama will also give you free tunes for life, which means that if you upgrade your car incrementally, you can receive recalibrated tunes at no cost.

Even recognizing the risks, I don't think you can go wrong with either Bama or Steeda tunes. I ran Bama tunes in my departed '11 GT and in my new '13 GT without any issues and with significant performance gains. These companies wouldn't be in business for long if their customers started having engine trouble. Bama claims 30RWHP gain with a tune and an Airaid CAI on their '13 GT.

Nothing is perfect: the Ford tune provides a significant boost in low end torque, but some people have had problems with pinging. Although I've had no problems with my Bama tunes, the SCT programmer has given nothing but trouble. Cooling vents on the hood of the '13's supposedly leak water on to aftermarket CAI's.
Yea, I know. I was asking tj@steeda about their tunes since he made such a big deal about working with Ford. I figured if they are so great Ford must ok their tunes for warranty.
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Yea, I know. I was asking tj@steeda about their tunes since he made such a big deal about working with Ford. I figured if they are so great Ford must ok their tunes for warranty.
I agree, you can't claim to be so close to Ford if they don't share the same feeling in the form of backing up with warranty.
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Just because they work closely together and do not have warranty does not mean they fail. I think you guys are looking too much into this and expecting too much. Look at all of the R&D they put into their products. And anyone that has owned a Steeda product can easily see this.

The way I see it is that they probably do not collaborate directly with ford engineers, but they do care enough to stay as close as possible to the way these cars have been engineered as possible and use their modifications to compliment the cars abilities as much as possible as opposed to starting from scratch and trying to reinvent perfection as opposed to improve upon the design of the vehicle. Also Steeda is third party, no surprise there is no warranty
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IMO a custom tune is the way to go.. Every car is different. An SCT tuner and have a reputable shop custom tune it.
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I'll be going with Steeda for my next tune also
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Doug created Bama chips, aka Bama tuning, but it's not what it was when Doug was around, I hear nothing but great thing about C&L, still going with steeda lol
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Doug created Bama chips, aka Bama tuning, but it's not what it was when Doug was around, I hear nothing but great thing about C&L, still going with steeda lol
I had a tune from Doug on my 2006 v6 auto with a c&l CAI. It was surprisingly quick and the tune was spot on from the get go. I sold the car tuned with Doug's card in the cup holder, and the couple that bought it said it was faster than their blown GTPs.
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I too am thinking of a tuner (both the person/company and the hardware). I am leaning (based on what I have read over the last few months) towards the Steeda tunes. I do have some questions (hopefully these are relevant to the OP's question in some way; I don't want two back-to-back Tuner threads!).

1) I see references to "91 Octane Street", "93 Octane Street", "93 Octane Race" etc. I get the octane of course ... but what are the practical differences between a race tune and a street tune? Forgive my ignorance. Does anyone run race tunes all the time? Is it safe?
2) Which tuner hardware. Seems to be a choice between SCT and Diablosport? Are the funky touch-screen units like the DS Trinity worth the coin? I like gauges, touch screens, etc. - is any of the data displayed by the Trinity actually useful, or does it just look cool?
3) After installing a tune, is there anything I should look for? I know the FRPP Tune causes pinging for some people. Is this an issue with other tunes? I thought the knock sensor would adjust for that, anyway?

Thanks. I am excited for my future tune.
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I too am thinking of a tuner (both the person/company and the hardware). I am leaning (based on what I have read over the last few months) towards the Steeda tunes. I do have some questions (hopefully these are relevant to the OP's question in some way; I don't want two back-to-back Tuner threads!).

1) I see references to "91 Octane Street", "93 Octane Street", "93 Octane Race" etc. I get the octane of course ... but what are the practical differences between a race tune and a street tune? Forgive my ignorance. Does anyone run race tunes all the time? Is it safe?
2) Which tuner hardware. Seems to be a choice between SCT and Diablosport? Are the funky touch-screen units like the DS Trinity worth the coin? I like gauges, touch screens, etc. - is any of the data displayed by the Trinity actually useful, or does it just look cool?
3) After installing a tune, is there anything I should look for? I know the FRPP Tune causes pinging for some people. Is this an issue with other tunes? I thought the knock sensor would adjust for that, anyway?

Thanks. I am excited for my future tune.
These are the kind of questions I'm talkin about, excited to hear the answers
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I too am thinking of a tuner (both the person/company and the hardware). I am leaning (based on what I have read over the last few months) towards the Steeda tunes. I do have some questions (hopefully these are relevant to the OP's question in some way; I don't want two back-to-back Tuner threads!).

1) I see references to "91 Octane Street", "93 Octane Street", "93 Octane Race" etc. I get the octane of course ... but what are the practical differences between a race tune and a street tune? Forgive my ignorance. Does anyone run race tunes all the time? Is it safe?
2) Which tuner hardware. Seems to be a choice between SCT and Diablosport? Are the funky touch-screen units like the DS Trinity worth the coin? I like gauges, touch screens, etc. - is any of the data displayed by the Trinity actually useful, or does it just look cool?
3) After installing a tune, is there anything I should look for? I know the FRPP Tune causes pinging for some people. Is this an issue with other tunes? I thought the knock sensor would adjust for that, anyway?

Thanks. I am excited for my future tune.
As put by Bama:

Street (87-93 octane) - The street tune is designed as a daily driver program that focuses on increasing mid-range power. Automatic vehicles are further enhanced by making adjustments to the transmission's shift points and firmness.

Performance (87-93 octane) - The Performance program is designed to add power at 3000 RPMs and higher, focusing more on the top end horsepower and all out performance driving. Timing, fuel and throttle response settings are slightly more aggressive than the street tune. This is a great track tune but also works well for daily drivers that are looking for a little more "get up and go" than the street tune. The automatic transmission settings are the same as in the street tune.

Race (91 - 93 octane) - The race tune will ensure the largest increase in vehicle performance. Using the highest grade of fuel available in your area is mandatory. This file is designed for "Race Use Only", as the timing, fuel, and throttle response settings are very aggressive. It is so aggressive that we do not recommend it for daily driving as it may cause your vehicle to try to jump out from a stop and easily spin the tires. On automatics, we implement entirely new shift points and firmness settings to further enhance the all-out performance of the vehicle.
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Street (87-93 octane) - The street tune is designed as a daily driver program that focuses on increasing mid-range power. Automatic vehicles are further enhanced by making adjustments to the transmission's shift points and firmness.

Performance (87-93 octane) - The Performance program is designed to add power at 3000 RPMs and higher, focusing more on the top end horsepower and all out performance driving. Timing, fuel and throttle response settings are slightly more aggressive than the street tune. This is a great track tune but also works well for daily drivers that are looking for a little more "get up and go" than the street tune. The automatic transmission settings are the same as in the street tune.

Race (91 - 93 octane) - The race tune will ensure the largest increase in vehicle performance. Using the highest grade of fuel available in your area is mandatory. This file is designed for "Race Use Only", as the timing, fuel, and throttle response settings are very aggressive. It is so aggressive that we do not recommend it for daily driving as it may cause your vehicle to try to jump out from a stop and easily spin the tires. On automatics, we implement entirely new shift points and firmness settings to further enhance the all-out performance of the vehicle.
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Go for the boss manifold with steeda CAI and tune. I have the boss 93 octane tune and it is very streetable with no issues. Its my daily driver.
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Plus it looks cooler than the stock one.
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I can't spend that kind of money right now ... my car came new with a Roush CAI (I know, not the best but it looks and sounds good) and the intake, new strut brace, etc. would put the cost way over what my other half is willing to let me spend!
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I understand that. Put it on the wish list.
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So does anyone have any thoughts on what tuner to buy? Everyone seems to have the SCT ... but are the Diablosport's any good? The touch screen one that you could mount on your dash seemed cool ... but is it actually useful at all?
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I would stick with what the good tuner guys are running which is SCT.
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So does anyone have any thoughts on what tuner to buy? Everyone seems to have the SCT ... but are the Diablosport's any good? The touch screen one that you could mount on your dash seemed cool ... but is it actually useful at all?
I use Diablosport Preditor on my other (wife's) car. I have had absolutely NO problem with it all. But on my Mustang, I use SCT.
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Why in earth would you drive around on anything other than a race tune? The car has too many nannies as it is, why hold it back?
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Why in earth would you drive around on anything other than a race tune? The car has too many nannies as it is, why hold it back?
Agreed. I pretty happy with my Bama tune, but in all honesty, the 93 race tune is the only one worth running. I doubt nothing else actually provides gains (most likely just throttle response).
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