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Old 08-06-2012, 11:10 AM   #1
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13' Hood vent water entry test

I just washed my 13' GT. I put a shallow 6 3/4" bowl on top of the stock air box and washed car like i normally would. Initial rinse, soap, and re-rinse. I then removed the bowl and measured the collected water. It came to 1 full cup of water. Just think how much water would pour onto the intake filter in a heavy rain sitting in traffic. Not good if you have a CAI made for 11' or 12' models. Just thought I would share this info. I won't be using CAI unless it's made for the 13' and solves this problem like the new C&L is suppose to.
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Wow, that's a bunch. Not too much of a surprise to me & proves the speculation that the channels in the hood blanket just direct the water right there. Closed stock CAI is fine for me for a while.
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Wow, that's a bunch. Not too much of a surprise to me & proves the speculation that the channels in the hood blanket just direct the water right there. Closed stock CAI is fine for me for a while.
Yea, me too.
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Re: 13' Hood vent water entry test

Good basic research....a cup of water could be actually hazardous, if it hit the engine together as a slug. A few drops isn't anything to be concerned about. Now, rain isn't highly pressurized water but, I think your evidence is sufficient to give pause for thought.
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First the #8 now this.......OMG........I'm buying a Camaro.
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Good basic research....a cup of water could be actually hazardous, if it hit the engine together as a slug. A few drops isn't anything to be concerned about. Now, rain isn't highly pressurized water but, I think your evidence is sufficient to give pause for thought.
I just used a hose and low pressure sprayer. I was surprised at the amount collected.
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Re: 13' Hood vent water entry test

I got a '12 so, it's perfect....except for Ford having to build the transmission one-more-time
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Re: 13' Hood vent water entry test

Jetag: good info. I'm trying to consolidate the CAI/water in the vents issue with this post under the American Muscle section of the forums in hopes for a response of some kind.

'13 hood vent/CAI Issues + Recommendation

I figure it can't hurt to see what AM has to say. Obviously this issue has gotten quite a bit of attention from us '13 owners by now.
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Re: 13' Hood vent water entry test

Us 03/04 cobra guys have been running open vents in all weather conditions for years...
Granted the vent doesn't directly put water onto the filter, it is definitely damp after driving in the rain. Mine are completely open with no flaps, etc and have been that way since 2007 with no issues.

Might I suggest some sort of diverter under that vent to move the water elsewhere in the engine compartment? I haven't looked at the '13 vents too well but I know on my car they vent a huge amount of heat.
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Re: 13' Hood vent water entry test

C&L has an updated CAI that does just that. They added a little tab to the heat shield that sits under the vent, catches the water, and diverts it away. At the moment, if I were to go with an aftermarket CAI, that or the closed-box AEM would be my choices. But, for now I'm leaving the engine alone (wife would be less than pleased at tossing the warranty only a month into ownership--and rightly so). Since the car comes stock with a CAI, it's not a bad setup as it is.

The extractors do venta LOT of heat. I've seen the visible heat distortion when sitting at stoplights a few times already. No way am I blocking them off-they are doing their job.
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Us 03/04 cobra guys have been running open vents in all weather conditions for years...Granted the vent doesn't directly put water onto the filter, it is definitely damp after driving in the rain.
Being damp, and having water directly being poured on it, are two different things.

I'm sure the filter was designed for dampness, but for the waterfall, I don't think so.
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Being damp, and having water directly being poured on it, are two different things.

I'm sure the filter was designed for dampness, but for the waterfall, I don't think so.
Our vents are in front of the engine and drain right behind the radiator.
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Our vents are in front of the engine and drain right behind the radiator.
On the '13 they run up the sides of the hood. The bottom ends are right over the fuse box and air filter box.
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2011 & 12s really do need some hood vents. Get really hot under there. Anyone know of a kit out there to do this? This way you can put them were you want, and not were ford wants, and get the same effect as the 13s without the water issue..
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Re: 13' Hood vent water entry test

Trufiber sells the vents that go on their custom hoods, but there is no kit for water diversion.

Click on the red and white car and it will show the vents.

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Old 08-12-2012, 02:55 PM   #17
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Re: 13' Hood vent water entry test

I just saw a car with the linked hood. It's a nice one & the heat extractors are far away from the filter. Better yet the scoop is functional & feeds the air to the right place.
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Re: 13' Hood vent water entry test

2013 GT owners asking about water getting in through the hood vents, need not worry.

Only the front 2 vents are in the filter area and the amount of water that gets in while driving is minimal. Sure, when you’re washing the car and spraying water directly into the vent you will see a small amount of water under the hood and in the filter area, but that still is nothing to worry about. You might get .05% of the entire filter damp, that’s about it.
Every time there is a body change with vents in the hood, this concern gets brought up, but think about this for a minute, we have been putting the air filter in the bumper of 96-03 Mustangs for years and driving in the rain is no problem. Yes, the filter will get wet, but it would take submerging the filter to do engine damage.
Also, the 03, 04 MACH I. It has a shaker hood scoop 100 times larger than the 2 vents on the ’13 hood that faces forward ramming air and water directly onto the filter from the factory without worry.
The 07-13 GT500 has huge open vents that let in large amounts of water, but just like the ’13 GT hood, while driving the most of the water blows right over the vents instead of flowing in.

I understand your concern, but understand, we own a 2013 and test on a 2013 and have no worries what so ever about water from driving in the rain and neither should you.

If companies want to redesign a shield to gain sales due to worry, that’s ok, but we don’t plan on doing that.

Here is a detailed video
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I have a Harley with a stage 2 screaming eagle air cleaner. It is really exposed to the weather. It came with black sock that fits over the air cleaner looks cool works awesome. Never have had an issue with water. Would think something like this would work fine. Water does get the engine no matter what year or mod. Our engine bays are not water tight..
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2011 & 12s really do need some hood vents. Get really hot under there. Anyone know of a kit out there to do this? This way you can put them were you want, and not were ford wants, and get the same effect as the 13s without the water issue..
Really, how hot? My datalogs show ECT in the 200 range sitting still, IAT creeps up very slowly in stop and go and returns to close to ambient the minute you get moving for a few seconds, EGTs aren't crazy for an N/A car. I'm not really sure that, (based on my data) there's a need for hood venting. Can't hurt, really but, I don't see any temp control issues with the stock setup.
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Just seems hot to me. Could be the 105 temp outside as well.. Lol.. I think I will get a boss radiator, and oil cooler, before cutting into hood, but it would be different, and can't hurt...
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Re: 13' Hood vent water entry test

The Boss 302 race car Mustangs are having some issues with overheating at the track but, that's because they are forced to run big restrictor plates to level the playing field. There's no way on earth a properly functioning GT is going to have any issues with this on the road. I'd say, spend the money if you want but it isn't needed, unless you're planning on running twin turbos down the road.
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