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Old 08-13-2012, 08:52 PM   #1
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Risks of a AirRaid CAI and Bama Tune

Hey guys! So as far as mods performance wise on my 5.0, all I probably want to do is CAI and Bama Tune. The 5.0 is already wickedly fast! But I was curious if this will shorten the life or hurt my mustang in the long run in anyway? Also-If you have any suggestions of performance mods under $1000 that wouldnt hurt my baby, feel free to share.
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Re: Risks of a AirRaid CAI and Bama Tune

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Hey guys! So as far as mods performance wise on my 5.0, all I probably want to do is CAI and Bama Tune. The 5.0 is already wickedly fast! But I was curious if this will shorten the life or hurt my mustang in the long run in anyway? Also-If you have any suggestions of performance mods under $1000 that wouldnt hurt my baby, feel free to share.

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My first recommendations to anyone that wants to gain max performance out of they're pony, is to go with a CAI & Bama Tune! With just these mods alone we've seen gains of 30+ RWHP on the new 5 Oh. A few other quick suggestions that will really wake your coyote up are Throttle Body, Boss Intake Manifold, Gears & Suspension! None of these will effect the longevity of your Stang.

I hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions. Our Mustang Experts are here Monday-Friday from 9AM-9PM EST and Saturdays from 9AM-5:30PM EST. If you want to hit them up, their number is 866.727.1266. I can also have one of them call you directly.

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tgmeyer,

My first recommendations to anyone that wants to gain max performance out of they're pony, is to go with a CAI & Bama Tune! With just these mods alone we've seen gains of 30+ RWHP on the new 5 Oh. A few other quick suggestions that will really wake your coyote up are Throttle Body, Boss Intake Manifold, Gears & Suspension! None of these will effect the longevity of your Stang.

I hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions. Our Mustang Experts are here Monday-Friday from 9AM-9PM EST and Saturdays from 9AM-5:30PM EST. If you want to hit them up, their number is 866.727.1266. I can also have one of them call you directly.

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Hey Dan,

Anything like those links for the 2010?
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Hey Dan,

Anything like those links for the 2010?
gweze001,

The only bolt-on build up we have for 3v 4.6 GT's is our 2007 GT. Unfortunately, it's not quite the same as 2010's, but you can see similar hp/tq results! Check out our YouTube page for other bolt-on build up videos too.

Hope this helps some!

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gweze001,

The only bolt-on build up we have for 3v 4.6 GT's is our 2007 GT. Unfortunately, it's not quite the same as 2010's, but you can see similar hp/tq results! Check out our YouTube page for other bolt-on build up videos too.

Hope this helps some!

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One thing I'm definitely noticing is that not as many items are available for the 2010 and they don't always fit. I have seen a lot of people on here have luck with their 2011+ but I'm not getting the same results unfortunately. It's not AM's fault, I'm just venting haha.
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Re: Risks of a AirRaid CAI and Bama Tune

Shane,

From what other members have reported and what I've seen since my CAI install, is that the IAT's are higher with CAI when stopped, idling.

My IAT's when stopped today were between 130 and 140 degrees. It was 85 to 90 degrees outside.

IAT's when moving quickly came down and matched OEM's.

I'm assuming that high IAT's when stopped would only be a problem in drag racing, legal or stop light.

My question is how much of a problem is it? Someone posted that high IAT's won't pull timing like LS engines. What are the detriments of high (higher) IAT's when stopped?
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Shane,

From what other members have reported and what I've seen since my CAI install, is that the IAT's are higher with CAI when stopped, idling.

My IAT's when stopped today were between 130 and 140 degrees. It was 85 to 90 degrees outside.

IAT's when moving quickly came down and matched OEM's.

I'm assuming that high IAT's when stopped would only be a problem in drag racing, legal or stop light.

My question is how much of a problem is it? Someone posted that high IAT's won't pull timing like LS engines. What are the detriments of high (higher) IAT's when stopped?
TommyV,

The slightly higher IAT's aren't a problem with these naturally aspirated cars. The temperature difference is minimum when moving and the amount of increased air flowing over stock is so significant, you still see solid gains. Most n/a cars aren't effected by IAT's nearly as much as boosted ones, and the tunes are very safe to begin with.

Hope this clears things up a bit. Let me know if you have any more questions!

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So on my 2011 gt in hot humid Houston has the IAT at about 25 above ambient temp when stopped. (had to go back and test this). I was mistaken the first post.

IAT 122 sitting / ambient temp 97.

I'm running airraid CAI + bama 93 race tune.

Auto if it matters... My coolant temp is usually around 189-205... Slightly higher if on it for a bit.
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Re: Risks of a AirRaid CAI and Bama Tune

Cowboy, what was your question?
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Cowboy, what was your question?
Sorry, wasn't posting a question... Shane above mentioned / asked about elevated AIT.

I was just putting mine out there for comparison.

I'm not sure why his would be in the 140 range at idle.
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Re: Risks of a AirRaid CAI and Bama Tune

Yeah, that was me. I'm not sure why it was so high. How do I check my coolant temp?
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I have a Bluetooth OBDII unit connected to my iPhone. Using Dashcommand to see a lot of PID values.

I'm sure there are direct OBDII scan tools that will do the same.
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2013 5.0 Auto with Boss manifold, roush axleback and air raid with SCT tune issue

I recently bought a 2013 5.0 6 speed Auto and i just installed a boss 302 manifold ith air raid and sct tuner from american muscle.Currently running on 93 octane with 93s. As soon as it was installed the car ran great but then at night while i was driving its like my transmission was scared of switch gears between 3rd and 4th and it made a grinding noise. I then took it to ford and the mechanic said it was the torque converter so ford replaced it for free of charge! Once it was installed my mechanic ran an advanced learn program so the car can figure out the shift point because it was still kind of making the grinding noise. Once he finished it seems like when i started driving it finally went away! The onlu thing it does now is shift wierd between 3rd to 4th gear still! At low end it sucks,but when i step on it at high end its enjoyable! The only issues im having it with it now is that when im going like 25 mph while the rpms are at 1000 i step on it real quick and the rpms go to 7,000 then it makes my engine downshift like my car wants to turn off! My mechanic cant figure it out and american muscle says its not the tune even though i think it is.Does anyone know what my issue can be? I plan on getting it dyno tune soon to see if it will fix the problem but im not sure! Any Sugesstions?

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I recently bought a 2013 5.0 6 speed Auto and i just installed a boss 302 manifold ith air raid and sct tuner from american muscle.Currently running on 93 octane with 93s. As soon as it was installed the car ran great but then at night while i was driving its like my transmission was scared of switch gears between 3rd and 4th and it made a grinding noise. I then took it to ford and the mechanic said it was the torque converter so ford replaced it for free of charge! Once it was installed my mechanic ran an advanced learn program so the car can figure out the shift point because it was still kind of making the grinding noise. Once he finished it seems like when i started driving it finally went away! The onlu thing it does now is shift wierd between 3rd to 4th gear still! At low end it sucks,but when i step on it at high end its enjoyable! The only issues im having it with it now is that when im going like 25 mph while the rpms are at 1000 i step on it real quick and the rpms go to 7,000 then it makes my engine downshift like my car wants to turn off! My mechanic cant figure it out and american muscle says its not the tune even though i think it is.Does anyone know what my issue can be? I plan on getting it dyno tune soon to see if it will fix the problem but im not sure! Any Sugesstions? ---------- Post added at 04:03 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:00 AM ---------- ---------- Post added at 04:03 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:03 AM ----------
Have you contacted American Muscle? This may be a tune problem. In the mean time, you could return the car to stock and see if it still does it.
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yes i have called them but i dnt wanna go through the hassle of installing it back and fourth..I wanna get it dyno tuned My mechanic racn 100 diagnostics with his labtap that ford uses and everything is working 100 percent..did you watch my video and see why it does dat

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Does it do that with the stock tune? You could at least eliminate the Bama tune being the problem by stitching back to the stock tune. But I'm leaning toward it being a tune problem.
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Yeah, you could just return the tune to stock and see how it runs. Just don't run it prolonged. You'll throw a code.
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Since the Boss manifold makes u lose a bit a TQ, I'm guess the auto trans doesn't mesh well with it. With a manual, u can raise the rpms from the beginning just to dig yourself out of that hole. The only fix would probably be gears or a stall converter
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what do you mean by gears or stall converter and were can i get this from? Also what will the stall converter do especially if im an automatic and its scared of shifting into 3rd through 4th gear...
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I personally don't know much about stall converters, but that is what ppl who race their cars at the drag strip do to improve their low end power. Boss manifold and automatic just don't work well together, u notice the Boss Mustangs don't have an option for automatic
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Bottom line is the auto needs a converter to reap the benefits of a Boss intake. Boss intake on a auto with stock gears/converter = a turd.
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