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Old 08-13-2012, 11:02 PM   #1
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Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

Finally saved up enough for FI

Reliability wise, which would be the ideal choice? Shooting for 600whp due to driveline restrictions. All kits can achieve it easily so power output is not the problem.

What kind of suspension upgrade is good to handle all that power? Stiffer springs? Panhard?

Im shooting for 10s at the strip, is this enough power?.

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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

i would lower it (less lift resulting in faster times) and in the process of lowering i'd get stiffer shocks/struts and possibly cc plates
you need a 1 piece driveshaft
you might also want to upgrade your cooling.
you might want to look into meth injection.
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600rwhp will be a lot easier achieved with a turbo will require less boost. But will also be more costly compared to a supercharger.

As far as suspension goes upper/lower control arms would be the best way to go at first.

You also said you had full exhaust? so i am assuming you have headers then? If thats the case go with a supercharger, bc a turbo will make you remove the headers if they are longtubes.

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As far as 10's go idk if 600rwhp be enough. You will need some drastic suspension mods, as well as big and littles and a perfect launch. Real high 10's might be attainable though. A lot of factors come into play at that point.
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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

Turbos will give you all kinds of reliability headaches and aren't worth the hassle for 600-odd horse. A simple Vortech install will support way more than that easily, reasonable durability and low stress on the rest of the underhood kit.

You don't mention what gears you have or whether MT or AT. the setup's going to be different.
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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

and whether you have forged internals or not
and if you've changed your compression ratio
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A turbo will get you 600 hp with less boost and save you some MPG's
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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

and the boost can always be turned up later. for more horsepower.
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I would say centri, runs coolest of the three and less parasitic than the twin screw. Also costs less than the others. And as long as you keep low rpms you can stay out of boost
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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

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i would lower it (less lift resulting in faster times) and in the process of lowering i'd get stiffer shocks/struts and possibly cc plates
you need a 1 piece driveshaft
you might also want to upgrade your cooling.
you might want to look into meth injection.
How does that one piece driveshaft do when its lowered..still have good clearance??
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3.73 stock headers mt no internal work. im sorry i meant to say headers back exhaust.

I was looking into the vortech superchargers. Everyone seems to be happy with them and are affordable. Best place to get it?
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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

3.73s aren't ideal for FI. You'll have to try to run a 28" tire for track work. Traction will be your issue.

You can easily turn up the boost on a supercharger too and, frankly, spending 8+ k on a turbo kit and worrying about a few mpg is kinda silly. I can guarantee you'll save gas if you go turbo, as your car will be off the road and in the shop alot more.

I've done TT on a Mustang. You can bake bread and cook a nice flank steak underhood. All that heat beats the **** out of every wire, every plastic plug, every hose underhood and over time durability concerns will arise. Issues will arise with drainback lines, oil feeds cracking, etc. It's a pipe snake underhood, making quality of welding and materials a big issue. Plus there's a million clamps and couplers to keep tight. It beats the **** out your engine oil, necessitating cutting the intervals down by 1/2. The power is hilarious but the maintenance isn't for the faint of heart.

A simple centri blower can be installed in an afternoon, is self-contained, is easy to tune and just keeps going with very little in the way of extra work.

Honestly, a centri was the most fun I ever had in a Mustang. I ran nitrous for years, TT and finally centri, same car. the centri balanced all the factors best and produced highest smiles per gallon.

Honestly, the Paxton is a bit big in the head unit for your power goals but it certainly leaves a good deal of room to grow. It's a ~ 750 horse head unit on the Paxton kit.

Try Beefcake Racing for the Paxton kit.
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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

+1 on the Paxton and Beefcake. He's a local guy (to me) and I've heard great things about him, and his pricing on the Paxton kits.
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Im going with Vortech. They make great kits. I have seen easily a 100 stangs if not more come through my friends shop to have vortechs installed. They all made great power and the customers love them. I have only seen a couple on the new 5.0s. My friend is putting 680rwhp down in a '03 2v car with a Vortech.
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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

Honestly, looking at some of the specs on the head units I've been able to find, the Procharger Stage 1 is the best street centri blower. It has the tightest a/r and biggest step up ratio of the 3 main players. Vortech is next with Paxton being the biggest head unit with the most ultimate potential for maximum power, at the price of probably being a good deal less grunty than the Procharger in normal driving.

Tough to find competitive pricing on Procharger though but, you gotta buy what suits your needs most, at this price level. Make sure you get what you want out of it. If you think you can say, enough's enough at mid 600 max and like the streetability, maybe PC is the way to go. If you think you might get greedy later, maybe one of the others is a better option.
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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

Hellion has a new twin-turbo kit that works with the Boss Intake Manifold.
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Hellion has a new twin-turbo kit that works with the Boss Intake Manifold.
all there kits work with boss manifold
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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

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all there kits work with boss manifold
Well there you go! I had no idea, only saw in a thread of installed on a '13 Boss LS
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I'm not sure the words "hellion turbo kit" and "reliable" should ever be used together.
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Just installed my Paxton kit 3 days ago, love it, sounds disgusting. Scares everybody haha. U got it bc it's capable of more later. Trust me, if you get tired of stuff quick like me, get the Paxton. That intercooler and head unit can produce 1000hp. Got the full kit from lethal performance so I can get bored with the base tune first with stock exhaust and everything. Slowly pick it up part by part and tune by tune as time goes on.
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Just installed my Paxton kit 3 days ago, love it, sounds disgusting. Scares everybody haha. U got it bc it's capable of more later. Trust me, if you get tired of stuff quick like me, get the Paxton. That intercooler and head unit can produce 1000hp. Got the full kit from lethal performance so I can get bored with the base tune first with stock exhaust and everything. Slowly pick it up part by part and tune by tune as time goes on.
First thing I would do is get rid of those cats. It doesn't always happen, but if you push the car I'd take them off instead of taking the risk that they melt.
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First thing I would do is get rid of those cats. It doesn't always happen, but if you push the car I'd take them off instead of taking the risk that they melt.
I heard the stocks hold better then high flow cats weirdly enough. I will get Rod of all that stuff though soon. Just didn't want max it out all t once. The tune makes the car idle wired, up and down. Cut off on me one time but started right back up, so it either needs to be re flashed or it was still adjusting bc I had just driven it home. After checking the stock map it came with it has a lot of room to play, very conservative tune.
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I heard the stocks hold better then high flow cats weirdly enough. I will get Rod of all that stuff though soon. Just didn't want max it out all t once. The tune makes the car idle wired, up and down. Cut off on me one time but started right back up, so it either needs to be re flashed or it was still adjusting bc I had just driven it home. After checking the stock map it came with it has a lot of room to play, very conservative tune.
Possible, the thing is that neither were designed for boosted applications. Did you complete the idle/fuel trim relearn immediately following the flash? If not, reflash (or pull the neg battery cable) and do that, it usually solves those problems.
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Possible, the thing is that neither were designed for boosted applications. Did you complete the idle/fuel trim relearn immediately following the flash? If not, reflash (or pull the neg battery cable) and do that, it usually solves those problems.
Yeah for sure, I'll just gut them an go full exhaust to benefit it. Not yet, haven't touched it since I brought it home and drive around a lil bit. I'll mess with it tonight and see what happens.
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Re: Reliability twin turbo, single, procharger or whipple?

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I'm not sure the words "hellion turbo kit" and "reliable" should ever be used together.
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You're supposed to do the idle relearn right after you load the tune, it's in your manual near the section about jumping the car if the battery dies
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You're supposed to do the idle relearn right after you load the tune, it's in your manual near the section about jumping the car if the battery dies
Gotcha, thanks! I'll check it out on my break!
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