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Old 08-20-2012, 08:26 PM   #1
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5.0 Oil question

For the last 15 years I have run nothing but Mobil one on all my cars. These included 2 jeeps 160K V8 Grand Cherokee and V6 Liberty a nissan murano, a 2010 v6 Mustang, a 160K nissan sentra and a Kia Koupe.

The result? No oil leaks whatsoever, no breakdowns, no oil loss at all between changes, no perceptable wear on any engine component bathed in the oil.

I have no experience yet with the 5.0. What oil are you guys running? Are there warranty issues if we change the oil?

I heard that Ford was getting really ornery about the warranty. Now I know that this is the type of statement that attracts a lot of hear-say, fear-based commentary. Please be prepared to back your comments with facts, and please do not tell me about your uncles farthers couzins friend who knows someone that told him in a bar once that Ford was looking for reasons to ding customers on warranty - even if they only changed the oil from whatever was prescribed. Facts. Please.

I would love to hear your experience about the Oil, including possible oil consumption 1st hand experiences.
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I took my '13 GT to the local Ford dealer and had the oil changed at 1400 miles... had them put Mobil 1 in it with no problem. They said nothing about voiding my warranty or anything.

I can't say anything about consumption or any of that since it's only been 4 days.
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It is law that a manufacturer cannot void warranty for not using "their" part as long as the part meets or exceeds OEM standard
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That's what I was thinking.. as long as you use the right weight and all that, they can't mess with it.
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It is law that a manufacturer cannot void warranty for not using "their" part as long as the part meets or exceeds OEM standard
This. Most of us are not running motorcraft oil, instead using a high quality true synthetic such as amsoil, rp or redline. Even Mobil1 is a vast improvement over the motorcraft oils, despite not being a true synthetic.
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Re: 5.0 Oil question

Watch the oil consumption over the first several 1000 miles. They tend to burn some off. Also remember that the dipstick on these car only measures the top 2 qts.
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Watch the oil consumption over the first several 1000 miles. They tend to burn some off. Also remember that the dipstick on these car only measures the top 2 qts.
A great suggestion. An oil separator isn't a bad idea either, cheap insurance for $100.
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I switched from Motorcraft oil to Mobil 1. I thought it might cut down on the oil consumption. I still use a quart of oil every 1000 miles. Im told these motors are built very loose so the oil consumption is inevitable. Regardless....I would switch to a full synthetic oil after the break-in period.
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Re: 5.0 Oil question

oil sep is a GREAT item and cheap way to keep oil out of the intake (well mostly)

I use mobile 1, but Royal Puple or Amsoil are also GREAT choices in oil.
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I switched from Motorcraft oil to Mobil 1. I thought it might cut down on the oil consumption. I still use a quart of oil every 1000 miles. Im told these motors are built very loose so the oil consumption is inevitable. Regardless....I would switch to a full synthetic oil after the break-in period.
I put in AMSOil signature series 5w30 at 5k miles, almost at 10k now and haven't consumed a drop even without a separator. I honestly never checked before that though (it was before the whole omg the sky is falling your car is burning oil thing) so its possible I'm one of the lucky few who has a coyote that doesn't eat oil for breakfast.
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I put in AMSOil signature series 5w30 at 5k miles, almost at 10k now and haven't consumed a drop even without a separator. I honestly never checked before that though (it was before the whole omg the sky is falling your car is burning oil thing) so its possible I'm one of the lucky few who has a coyote that doesn't eat oil for breakfast.
30? Recommended is 5w-20. Any reason for the change and are you endangering your warranty?
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Nah, 5w30 is fine, no danger to warranty either, I've heard people report less blow by as well as less burning oil. Dealer says 5w30 is fine. 5w20 is used in large part due to fuel economy regulations and over a huge fleet of cars over many years the less viscous oil will show higher average mpgs
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I've heard some guys reporting that they have I use 5W50 in the track pack versions. Does anyone know this for sure?
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I've heard some guys reporting that they have I use 5W50 in the track pack versions. Does anyone know this for sure?
Why is that
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More viscous oil, better lubrication under higher engine temps while vehicle is on track operating at high rpms
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Re: 5.0 Oil question

On an oil and filter change, how many quarts will bring up to the full mark?
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My 2011 holds 8 quarts at oil and filter change. Had to google it on my first oil change after I bought 6 quarts and still had nothing on dip stick.
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Track pack vehicle or bosses (vehicle with oil coolers) will require 8.5 qts, the oil cooler uses an extra half qt over base GT
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Track pack vehicle or bosses (vehicle with oil coolers) will require 8.5 qts, the oil cooler uses an extra half qt over base GT
I wanna add the oil cooler to my base gt. The more oil the better.
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30? Recommended is 5w-20. Any reason for the change and are you endangering your warranty?
Trust me, my warranty is already in a fair abound of danger. The last thing in worried about is getting in trouble for using better oil. It's been hotly debated, but my belief is that you lose a bit of fuel economy and perhaps a smidgeon of power, at the cost of your engine being much better protected.

If I was constantly tracking the car, it would have 5w50 in it, but it's mostly street use for now.
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I asked my dealer about royal purple. They told md that they would put it in, but I weould have to pay for it!! So I'm sticking to Mobil 1 synthetic , since I don't have to pay for my oil changes!!
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Re: 5.0 Oil question

Gentlemen, thank you - I learned a lot here.

I have looked into M1 not being a true synthetic, and although I am not entirely sure what the facts are I will continue to use the product for the time being. I may change my mind when my 5.0 arrives.

I am definitely putting in catchers, and monitoring the oil.
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Dealer said they refuse to put anything other than 5w-20.... D-bags. They will put in RP for me though
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This. Most of us are not running motorcraft oil, instead using a high quality true synthetic such as amsoil, rp or redline. Even Mobil1 is a vast improvement over the motorcraft oils, despite not being a true synthetic.
I acually had some problems with the amsoil,,in my ranger,,i had leaking issues and excessive ticking,,so i went to mobile one synthetic..thats was 20 years ago so maybe its better,,or maybe the 90 ranger was really equiped for the synthetic,,seals etc...I got 320000 on it and still drive it

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Trust me, my warranty is already in a fair abound of danger. The last thing in worried about is getting in trouble for using better oil. It's been hotly debated, but my belief is that you lose a bit of fuel economy and perhaps a smidgeon of power, at the cost of your engine being much better protected.

If I was constantly tracking the car, it would have 5w50 in it, but it's mostly street use for now.
I heard 0w40 was the best option,,that was by a mercedees engineer suggestion
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I've heard some guys reporting that they have I use 5W50 in the track pack versions. Does anyone know this for sure?
Yes I use full synthetic motor craft 5w50 and in order to make sure I don't void warranty I HAVE to use that weight
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Yes I use full synthetic motor craft 5w50 and in order to make sure I don't void warranty I HAVE to use that weight
Not sure I follow here. I have the track pack, but still stuck with 5w-20 if I go thru the dealer. Am I, are they, missing something here where you had it required? This is a 5.0 track pack, correct?
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Your oil cap should tell you what you need. Mine has 5w50 on it and that is what the dealer would only put in. My oil changes are all paid for so I change when needed.
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Re: 5.0 Oil question

I wouldn't let Ford touch my car for a free oil change .. nobody changes the oil but me. I hope you guys at least crawl under the car in the lot to make sure the drain plug is tight (as well as not rounded off) and check the dipstick before driving it. I would also put a mark on the filter to make sure they're changing it too.

I can't imagine they're hiring "highly qualified" technicians to do free oil changes, it's much more likely that these people are so stupid they need help putting their pants on in the morning.
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Same here. I've seen a handful of good techs. That's why I do everything myself. I figure if my job trusts me to work on million $ army vehicles I'll do everything I can myself. I've had too many horror stories at dealerships in the past. Usually they tear up more than they fix. IE: new shortblock in my fairly new Ram 3500 qc 4x4 dually. Put maybe 3-4 quarts of oil in it and only found that out after driving it 2k miles...it held 12 quarts. Among other things they did on that truck.
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Your oil cap should tell you what you need. Mine has 5w50 on it and that is what the dealer would only put in. My oil changes are all paid for so I change when needed.
This supports posts after its as well. I called my dealer, told him EXACTLY what I had and that I wanted to use a different viscosity. He told me they refused to put anything other than 20 in the car. Cap, as you said, says 50. This is a joke. I don't have the lift to do a change myself, but who would I bring it to if the dealer doesn't even know this?!
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This supports posts after its as well. I called my dealer, told him EXACTLY what I had and that I wanted to use a different viscosity. He told me they refused to put anything other than 20 in the car. Cap, as you said, says 50. This is a joke. I don't have the lift to do a change myself, but who would I bring it to if the dealer doesn't even know this?!
Either your dealer is trying to cover itself or really doesn't know jack... The ONLY difference in the motor of the TP vs non TP cars is the oil cooler. Only reason 5w50 is recommended is for track purposes. Theoretically you could use anything in between also. 5w30 will cause zero issues UNLESS you track your cars
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Not sure I follow here. I have the track pack, but still stuck with 5w-20 if I go thru the dealer. Am I, are they, missing something here where you had it required? This is a 5.0 track pack, correct?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the 11-12 Brembo "Track Pack" cars come with 5w-20. The 13 Track Pack cars come with 5w-50 because they have a oil cooler
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You don't need a lift to change the oil in your car. I do mine by driving the front up on ramps (and my car is lowered).
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the 11-12 Brembo "Track Pack" cars come with 5w-20. The 13 Track Pack cars come with 5w-50 because they have a oil cooler
The 11-12 "track pack" was the upgraded brakes, wheels, tires, and suspension. The 13 track pack includes all of that PLUS recaros, engine oil cooler, tranny oil cooler, differential cooler and Torsen diff.

11-12 was more of a brake package whereas 13 is more of an upgraded powertrain package for track use
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