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Old 09-18-2012, 12:49 PM   #36
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If i also get internals could i run 3.6 with 93 octane.

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So for the 2.8l i dont need internals?
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Re: Procharger or Whipple

3.6L is a 1100hp blower, running it on pump gas is just not efficient. You would make more power at that boost level on a 2.8L.

You don't need internals at 8-9psi level, but are you going to get 100K miles out of it? I doubt it. No one has any hard data yet on long term durability of boosted 5.0's. So make sure you can afford a new shortblock if you want to make 600whp on a stock motor.
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How much is a shortblock??
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$3500, but most heads will be toast if motor fails, so it could be 6-7K repair with labor.
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You can't compare a 2.8 vs a 2.3...
Also, Priced my TVS tuner kit for 5400. All I need is injectors. Find me a KB close to that.
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I plan on keeping the car for 5 yrs, in that time i will beat and drive it hard. I ready dont want to spend 6k in repair.
Would getting forged pistons prevent that??
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I plan on keeping the car for 5 yrs, in that time i will beat and drive it hard. I ready dont want to spend 6k in repair.
Would getting forged pistons prevent that??
Yes, but that isn't cheap...and nothing is for certain when building high hp appplications.

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I plan on runnin 9-10# on TVS until I can buy a boss crate and build from there.
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Why are u going with vortech?
Vortech and Paxton kits are almost identical. If I'm not mistaken, Vortech bought Paxton or vise versa. I have been a fan for some time, all the people I know who have s/c stangs are either running Vortech or KenneBell. From 450rwhp 3v's that are DD's to 2v's making anywhere from 450-700rwhp to multiple Lightnings and GT500's making over 1,000rwhp. I believe in both companies because I have seen them used in so many applications with little to no problems and make great power.
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You can't compare a 2.8 vs a 2.3...
Also, Priced my TVS tuner kit for 5400. All I need is injectors. Find me a KB close to that.
Sad thing is that 2.8 makes more power than the 2.3 for less
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You can't compare a 2.8 vs a 2.3...
Also, Priced my TVS tuner kit for 5400. All I need is injectors. Find me a KB close to that.
You get what you pay for. KB's are the price they are for a reason. So you buy your tuner kit,
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Injectors, yes will be close to a thousand. Installing myself with a buddy. But still will be way less than 2.8 KB.
Never said KB wasn't way to go, but if Im doing high hp build I'll go centri. Only know two coyote guys running KB unit and they've had to run more # for same power output as TVS. For 2.3<, I've seen most go whipple...not sure why. Just saying what I've seen.
On 2011> cars, yes I'd go KB every time.
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Vortech with A boss manifold or a KB 2.8L.
What HP numbers would be safe and reliable for a stock 13 engine. I dont want to push the limits or get forged (too much$$$$) lol
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I would consider 600 to be a good safe number, but some people as high as 750 with a good tune
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If your worried or concerned, keep it stock. If not, a lot of people "claim" 600-650 to the wheels is about the peak of the safe limits. Many have made more power, but for how long? That's the ongoing question. Personal I love the idea of the Vortech, especially with the Boss IM, that's my plan. Everyday driving will feel just like stock until the fun pedal goes down and you get into the natural power band of the coyote. The KB on the other hand is almost instant tire shredding power from the nature of the PD's having great peak torque so early in the rpm range. Both methods with conservative tuning will yield 575-610rwhp with no problem. The centri will give you around 470-500rwtq while the PD will yield 490-520rwtq. I like how the coyote is naturally a high revving engine and I think the centri fits that well. Even better with the Boss IM, it manages the air a lot better then the stock IM at higher rpm. Good luck with your decision, it's not easy. Main thing is don't get greedy. Keep it conservative and reliable, the numbers will still be beyond impressive and enjoyable.
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You can't compare a 2.8 vs a 2.3...
Also, Priced my TVS tuner kit for 5400. All I need is injectors. Find me a KB close to that.
You can get a Paxton with all the fuel stuff, tuner and remote tune by lund from beefcake for that much money ...
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You can get a Paxton with all the fuel stuff, tuner and remote tune by lund from beefcake for that much money ...
Already have SCT tuner, and was about to pull the trigger on Paxton few weeks ago. After my 03 cobra, I think I'll miss the instant tq. Either way, only two ill consider are paxton and Roush unit.
Beefcakes deal is hard to pass on...
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Already have SCT tuner, and was about to pull the trigger on Paxton few weeks ago. After my 03 cobra, I think I'll miss the instant tq. Either way, only two ill consider are paxton and Roush unit.
Beefcakes deal is hard to pass on...
Hit him up on one of the forums he sponsors and you can get a good deal.
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Only non centri twinscrew I'd buy would be a water cooled Kenne Bell.
Liquid cooles Kenne bell is the only one i would go with for a twin screw type and supercharger
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Hit him up on one of the forums he sponsors and you can get a good deal.
Just bought struts/shocks, upper grille, and weeks/tires...give me a week or two for my wallet to recover . I've already talked to beefcake last week. Just don't want to regret not going PD.
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Just bought struts/shocks, upper grille, and weeks/tires...give me a week or two for my wallet to recover . I've already talked to beefcake last week. Just don't want to regret not going PD.
Cool, just make sure you scour the other forums. He posts some "special" deals. I saw him post a special to throw in ID1000 injectors for free on a Vortech/Paxton kit on one forum and AFAIK that deal is still good. You have to know about it though.
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If your worried or concerned, keep it stock. If not, a lot of people "claim" 600-650 to the wheels is about the peak of the safe limits. Many have made more power, but for how long? That's the ongoing question. Personal I love the idea of the Vortech, especially with the Boss IM, that's my plan. Everyday driving will feel just like stock until the fun pedal goes down and you get into the natural power band of the coyote. The KB on the other hand is almost instant tire shredding power from the nature of the PD's having great peak torque so early in the rpm range. Both methods with conservative tuning will yield 575-610rwhp with no problem. The centri will give you around 470-500rwtq while the PD will yield 490-520rwtq. I like how the coyote is naturally a high revving engine and I think the centri fits that well. Even better with the Boss IM, it manages the air a lot better then the stock IM at higher rpm. Good luck with your decision, it's not easy. Main thing is don't get greedy. Keep it conservative and reliable, the numbers will still be beyond impressive and enjoyable.
Thanks, had a number of 700 wheel hp in my head but now i know that is a pipe dream if i want to remain reliable without building the engine. I think boss with vortech would be sweet!!
Still have sometime to think about it, i want to take my time.
Am call vortech and KB tomorrow and ask them why i should buy their product over the others just to see what they say..
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Thanks, had a number of 700 wheel hp in my head but now i know that is a pipe dream if i want to remain reliable without building the engine. I think boss with vortech would be sweet!!
Still have sometime to think about it, i want to take my time.
Am call vortech and KB tomorrow and ask them why i should buy their product over the others just to see what they say..
If you know you want 700RWHP, you might as well just work a forged rotating assembly and valve springs into your budget. You can make it on a stock block, but you taking a gamble that it's going to hold together. It might survive street use, but a few track days and I bet you would toast it at those power levels.
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Vortech and Paxton kits are almost identical. If I'm not mistaken, Vortech bought Paxton or vise versa. I have been a fan for some time, all the people I know who have s/c stangs are either running Vortech or KenneBell. From 450rwhp 3v's that are DD's to 2v's making anywhere from 450-700rwhp to multiple Lightnings and GT500's making over 1,000rwhp. I believe in both companies because I have seen them used in so many applications with little to no problems and make great power.
I belive the paxton has a bigger yoyo.
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If you know you want 700RWHP, you might as well just work a forged rotating assembly and valve springs into your budget. You can make it on a stock block, but you taking a gamble that it's going to hold together. It might survive street use, but a few track days and I bet you would toast it at those power levels.
No thanks, lol i always lose when i gamble.
I am happy with 600 hp.
So if i wanted to get 700 what would i need if i want it to be bullet proof, 100% reliable.
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Forged Ross and pistons, preferably a lower cr, and a perfect tune, then you'd be looking at other things outside of he motor as well... To make it all bullet proof anyways
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No matter what type of FI u go with, it lowers the life of your engine... if u want to know for sure how strong these engines are with FI u might have to wait a couple if years and see how long others went with that setup.... I'm OK with NA for now, I'll probably go thru with it when I see how it went for others in the long run
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Well I see this thread lit up lol. Well I am glad for the entire conversation because I learned a lot. So the 600hp should be a good happy medium for the stock coyote? So, does most kits come with upgraded injectors? Also, I don't know if this was answered but is twin screw or centri better for daily drivers? Thanks!
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No thanks, lol i always lose when i gamble.
I am happy with 600 hp.
So if i wanted to get 700 what would i need if i want it to be bullet proof, 100% reliable.
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Forged Ross and pistons, preferably a lower cr, and a perfect tune, then you'd be looking at other things outside of he motor as well... To make it all bullet proof anyways
Don't forget a billet oil pump gear. I would recommend that on any highly modded car.
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^O yea, don't wanna break it cuz then you got no oil and yur motor'll get blowed up
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You get what you pay for. KB's are the price they are for a reason. So you buy your tuner kit,
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But I heard so many bad things about oil leakage from the kb blower and that kb support staff does nothing. Has this changed??
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Do some research on KB on 5.0, and you will get your answer. Look at similar setups you're inquiring and look at 1/4 times...trap speed and back half gains will show you how it's putting out power. Even if you're not a track rat, track times will show you how the car performs with certain mods.
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Not sure I understand why so many people are worried about making a specific RWHP number? 600, 700, 800? Is it just to brag about the RWHP? is anyone worried about their ET? It cracks me up at the drag strip when I see guys with these high RWHP cars with street tires and no suspension mods to put it down. Also, take into account reliability, drivability and repair cost. I love the guys with the big power cars that never run because they have "an issue" with their engine! I am considering the Vortechsuperchargers tuner kit in black. Looking to safely make 500 plus RWHP! LOL. No really hoping to get my 12.3 best ET with just tune, exhaust and tires down into the low 11s. If I could do it any cheaper without forced induction, I would. The only way would be N2O, and not willing to risk it.
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You could probably get into the 10's all motor, if you go full bolt on and heads/cams, then do lcas, ucas, aluminum flywheel, aluminum DS, and some weight loss
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