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Old 09-17-2012, 05:00 PM   #1
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Procharger or Whipple

I have a 2011 GT. It has Steeda pulleys, springs and CAI. Borla exhaust, JOT oil sep, and a high performance tune. I was wondering if the procharger or Whipple would be better. I kinda liked the way the pro fit in the car but I know very little about super/turbo charging. Please let me known what you think and if there is any maintenance type things associated with them.
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I am in the same phase looking and researching and i will definably go with a twin screw supercharger like wipple.
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Paxton or bust!

I hate the procharger inlet design. The air filter sits above the header, it will heatsoak like crazy in daily driving.

Whipple had bad heatsoak as well. 20-30whp lost between dyno runs.
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Paxton or Roush. I've been back and forth between the two, and I believe I'm going Roush. I don't plan on going past 650 for a few years and funds allow so tvs will do.
Paxton for a lot of potential.
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Re: Procharger or Whipple

Only non centri twinscrew I'd buy would be a water cooled Kenne Bell.
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Paxton or Roush. I've been back and forth between the two, and I believe I'm going Roush. I don't plan on going past 650 for a few years and funds allow so tvs will do.
Paxton for a lot of potential.
There's one member running the TVS pushing something crazy like 760+ to the rear wheels... On stock motor, hope he chimes in

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Paxton or Roush. I've been back and forth between the two, and I believe I'm going Roush. I don't plan on going past 650 for a few years and funds allow so tvs will do.
Paxton for a lot of potential.
Btw make sure you get some big injectors, the standard 47's will be too small for 650
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Going with ID1000s. Ya I recall someone on here running those numbers. I'll be happy with ~650 until built motor. Roush unit is what I'm looking for as my DD. maybe 5yrs down the road I'll slap a big head unit centri and go big build.
From what I've seen on the 5.0s, I'm not partial to kenne belle like I was on evo models.

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Haven't seen him on here in a while...wonder how it's holding up. Wnt2gofsts is still running strong at those #s.
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I haven't heard anything about the KB on the coyote... Is it not worth the money for our motors or what?
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I haven't heard anything about the KB on the coyote... Is it not worth the money for our motors or what?
Less efficient than other options and a hefty price tag. They are quality NTL.
IMO, whipple2.9+>Roush>whipple>kb.
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Yea I've just always known that in the past KB was the way to go, it was used on the super snakes, GT1000 and lots of terminators upgraded to the KB. I know they're expensive but I always thought that they were far more efficient too. Guess not anymore lol.

Yea I would say a whipple 2.9 is gonna be better than a 2.3 sc lol
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Yea I've just always known that in the past KB was the way to go, it was used on the super snakes, GT1000 and lots of terminators upgraded to the KB. I know they're expensive but I always thought that they were far more efficient too. Guess not anymore lol.

Yea I would say a whipple 2.9 is gonna be better than a 2.3 sc lol
Kb hasn't necessarily lowered in quality, but Roush tvs has vastly improved. Amazing for its size.
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Kb hasn't necessarily lowered in quality, but Roush tvs has vastly improved. Amazing for its size.
+1. There just is a point that if you can't plant the power what's the point? I may get my car back tomorrow. Most likely Wednesday but I'll let you know what I think of the tvs2300 and how it fairs to my brother-in-laws gt500. Hope it pulls as hard.
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+1. There just is a point that if you can't plant the power what's the point? I may get my car back tomorrow. Most likely Wednesday but I'll let you know what I think of the tvs2300 and how it fairs to my brother-in-laws gt500. Hope it pulls as hard.
What pulley are you going with?
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Kb hasn't necessarily lowered in quality, but Roush tvs has vastly improved. Amazing for its size.
O yea I didn't mean that, I just meant is it not worth the money over the current eaton and whipple blowers

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But that's been anawered
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So at what point will I start having issues if i went with a supercharger? With moderate use, will my stang still live a lengthy life? I'm looking at a tvs and wouldn't want to do anything more than the 545 hp it starts at.
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Paxton or bust!

I hate the procharger inlet design. The air filter sits above the header, it will heatsoak like crazy in daily driving.

Whipple had bad heatsoak as well. 20-30whp lost between dyno runs.
Lol ah first hand experience hear bro and I installed it myself two sets of dyno pulls and no heat soak. Don't know where u got your bad data from.
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3 dyno pulls in a basement 83 degree weather all done in 12 minutes
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Ya never heard whipples heat soak faster than other pd units. They all will under right circumstances. Honestly, your car has the best whipple graph I've seen with amount of # you're running. Bet it pulls hard
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Ya never heard whipples heat soak faster than other pd units. They all will under right circumstances. Honestly, your car has the best whipple graph I've seen with amount of # you're running. Bet it pulls hard
It does, I wouldn't recommend the whipple because it is more expensive then a roush which literally has the same kit for less but heat soak is never a concern in my car and get in the bottom of 5th go wot on it and just feel it pull from 55 until u decide ur satisfied and then u can peel ur back off the seat.
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What pulley are you going with?
85mm. Still playing it safe.

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So at what point will I start having issues if i went with a supercharger? With moderate use, will my stang still live a lengthy life? I'm looking at a tvs and wouldn't want to do anything more than the 545 hp it starts at.
If a DD, and you don't WOT all the time a well built engine should last. It just comes down to the weakest link game. I hear first to go is clutch/pressure plate, spline axels, and in worse case the rods. I got a machinist who told me to replace my spline axels ASAP cause I'm going to twist them off. As for the clutch ill come to my 50k maintenance with a high performance clutch. I know I need a better break setup. The 4 piston brembos aren't going to cut it at the track.
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Only non centri twinscrew I'd buy would be a water cooled Kenne Bell.
Really? But ford uses whipple no? The ford racing supercharger?
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Really? But ford uses whipple no? The ford racing supercharger?
Yea the FRPP blower is a whipple... You don't have to like it just because ford uses it lol

Ford also uses getrag mt82 hahaha
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Yea the FRPP blower is a whipple... You don't have to like it just because ford uses it lol

Ford also uses getrag mt82 hahaha
Lol agreed I'm just saying why would they use it of it heat soaks? They have a choice of so many nice twin screws. Y not just go with kenne bell?
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Anything will suffer from heat soak when sitting still, but water cooled will dissipate more quickly, plus the KB costs a bit more
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Anything will suffer from heat soak when sitting still, but water cooled will dissipate more quickly, plus the KB costs a bit more
How does the KB cost more? Their current price is $6599 for their 2.8L Model and $6899 for the watercooled version. This is complete kit.

Whipple is over 7K for a complete kit.

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Ah, fair enough, only KB I really ever hear about is the mammoth, but this one is inexpensive... But a full tvs can be had for $5600 from jegs. Good to know about the coyote KB though.

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I will say however that whipple 624 is a 2.3 vs a KB 2.8
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Omg there are just too many to chose from, i wish there was just one or two and it will make everything much easier lol. I was covinced about the tvs but not i am also considering the KB, it will never stop lol

Bottom line, wish one is better?
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The whipple is water cooled the same way as kb and roush and did u not tread my post about the lack of heat soaking issue with the whipple and my dyno chart to prove it.
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I seen first hand the 2.8KB put down 720rwhp in a auto coyote with NO supporting mods. It a beautiful kit, fit and finish is perfect. And the +400 steps in the instructions make it easy enough for just about anybody to do it themselves in a few days.
If I were going with a PD blower it would be a KB. But I'm going centri eventually with Vortech.
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The whipple is water cooled the same way as kb and roush and did u not tread my post about the lack of heat soaking issue with the whipple and my dyno chart to prove it.
The supercharger itself is water cooled? I am not talking about water to air intercooler.

If that is the case, I am misinformed, I didnt think the normal 624kit was water cooled already.
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I seen first hand the 2.8KB put down 720rwhp in a auto coyote with NO supporting mods. It a beautiful kit, fit and finish is perfect. And the +400 steps in the instructions make it easy enough for just about anybody to do it themselves in a few days.
If I were going with a PD blower it would be a KB. But I'm going centri eventually with Vortech.
Wow... That's crazy lol

Well KB's have always proven to be far more efficient, and if it's making that kind of power then I would say KB may be the way to go... Why aren't there more people running these?
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I seen first hand the 2.8KB put down 720rwhp in a auto coyote with NO supporting mods. It a beautiful kit, fit and finish is perfect. And the +400 steps in the instructions make it easy enough for just about anybody to do it themselves in a few days.
If I were going with a PD blower it would be a KB. But I'm going centri eventually with Vortech.
Why are u going with vortech?
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2.8 vs 3.6L from KB? Which one should i go with, they both cost around the same
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3.6L is only for high boost applications. If you are running pump gas stick to 2.8L
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