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Old 09-30-2012, 04:33 PM   #1
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Tuner help

I did a quick search on the forum and saw a few threads about tuners but none that really answers my question. If there is a thread for this, please point me in the right direction.


I am looking to buy a tuner this week but I am new to this. What are the differences in the tuners/ tunes? What are the pros and cons to the the different tuners?
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Well everyone has their own opinion on who to choose. I know for a fact the Sct tuners has some flaws mostly the constant updates. I don't know much about the diablos. American muscle hooked me up with the Sct tuner and got the tunes from Bama.
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SCT does seem to be the "standard" but more than a few people seem to have issues at times. I uploaded one tune and didn't have any issue whatsoever ... but some folks have.
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I loaded the SCT tune about 3 years ago,,no problems at all..Evrybody says its a safe tune and you can get more from others but im happy with it for now,,because im planning on doing the SC one day,,and im not worried about squeezing every single HP out of my car with just a tuner
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I did a quick search on the forum and saw a few threads about tuners but none that really answers my question. If there is a thread for this, please point me in the right direction.

I am looking to buy a tuner this week but I am new to this. What are the differences in the tuners/ tunes? What are the pros and cons to the the different tuners?
13blkSunshine,

When you purchase a tuner through us we load the device with 3 Custom tunes before we ship it out. For every Bama Tune we ask you 19 questions about your specific Mustang, including your unique mods and style of driving. This info helps us write custom tunes from the ground-up for your Mustang's mods that will give you the most horsepower that we can safely deliver. We're also constantly developing our tunes! Between our 14 different Project Mustangs and tons of street/track and dyno testing (on our in-house Dynojet 224xLC), we're looking for any minor tweaks to be made that can benefit you guys.

Here's the 3 Different types of tunes that your device will come pre loaded with:

*Street (87-93 octane)
- The street tune is designed as a daily driver program that focuses on increasing mid-range power. Automatic vehicles are further enhanced by making adjustments to the transmission's shift points and firmness.

*Performance (87-93 octane)
- The Performance program is designed to add power at 3000 RPMs and higher, focusing more on the top end horsepower and all out performance driving. Timing, fuel and throttle response settings are slightly more aggressive than the street tune. This is a great track tune but also works well for daily drivers that are looking for a little more "get up and go" than the street tune. The automatic transmission settings are the same as in the street tune.

*Race (91 - 93 octane) - The race tune will ensure the largest increase in vehicle performance. Using the highest grade of fuel available in your area is mandatory. This file is designed for "Race Use Only", as the timing, fuel, and throttle response settings are very aggressive. It is so aggressive that we do not recommend it for daily driving as it may cause your vehicle to try to jump out from a stop and easily spin the tires. On automatics, we implement entirely new shift points and firmness settings to further enhance the all-out performance of the vehicle.

As far as the device goes the most common are SCT and Diablosport. I would recommend going with the Bama Custom tuner - Free Custom Tunes For Life! 2011+ GTs have dyno proven gains of 31 RWHP and 37 ft-lb's of Torque or more on Bama Custom Tunes. By adding more fuel, optimizing the air/fuel ratio and tweaking variable cam timing, a Bama Custom Tune is proven to squeeze out the extra horsepower that Ford left on the table.

This is just the beginning of what Bama has to offer, I'm confident you'll be very happy with what ever company and device you go with! Let me know if you have any questions. Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 9AM-5:30PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away!

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Thanks Dan,

I think that is the way I am going to go....I should be ordering within a week or so.
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for what it is worth, my reco, plus experience. I have the sct tuner from American muscle with the bama tunes. I have retuned my car maybe 10-12 times. I was paranoid at first and everytime I took my car to the dealer I would tune it back to stock. I since realized they could careless, my current ford dealer that is, and stopped doing that.

I only ever had my car "brick" once. I also will say this was because of faulty tunes from bama. Not that it was tho, just that I got new tunes and then this happened. Also everytime, only with these specific tunes, that my radiator fan kicked in the car would almost stall. MY RECOMMENDATION, is the program from SCT will have an option to backup the stock tune from your car, DO IT. I had the car, which had been tuned to 93 octane race tune, where I went to put it back to stock, to update the device and load even newer tunes, and the car failed going back to stock, and wouldn't start. Tried going back to stock again, failed. It was a sunday, and SCT is closed saturday and sunday. So i called them monday, explained what happened, and that I had the factory tuned backed up. They flat out reformatted the device, unlocked it from my car, reloaded the firmware, and then loaded up a recovery file they made using my stock tune. So I literally walked out, loaded up the stock tune, then loaded up my custom tune, and I was good to go.

So wasn't really a big deal, but had I not backed up the stock tune, I more than likely would have, from what sct said, had to call Ford, tow the car to them, and have them force restore my cars computer.

Don't know how true this is. I have been extremely happy with my SCT tuner, and this one event felt pretty minor by how awesome the SCT guys were, that I really would recommend there products. Also the guys at AmericanMuscle and Bama are always very helpful and very knowledgable.

so recap. DON'T TUNE THE CAR BUT AT HOME, or you might get stranded, BACKUP YOUR STOCK TUNE. Go flash your new custom tune, then go inside and backup your stock tune with the SCT program.

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Dan or anyone else who can answer...


I have only Mac computers in my house and I heard the SCT tuner was not compatible with Mac...is this true? If so would it be beneficial for me to get the wireless and use my iPad?

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not sure its been covered, but if you tune it that voids the warranty~ so.... you have that to consider.
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not sure its been covered, but if you tune it that voids the warranty~ so.... you have that to consider.
That has been covered extensively in other threads....I am willing to take the plunge but I want to make sure I am getting the best product.
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Dan or anyone else who can answer...

I have only Mac computers in my house and I heard the SCT tuner was not compatible with Mac...is this true? If so would it be beneficial for me to get the wireless and use my iPad?

Thanks
That's correct. SCT does not support MAC products. You can download windows software to your mac but that can be a PITA and becomes tricky if you ever have to datalog.

Most guys that are running Mac software (Iphone,Ipad,Mac) usually do go with the iTSX. This device has some really cool features that the SF3 doesn't but still will deliver the same tunes! Bluetooth Wireless Vehicle Tuning, 0-60MPH Performance Test with Estimated HP & TQ and Monitor Vehicle Engine Data via Virtual Gauges are just a few of the awesome features this device packs.

I hope this answers your question. Let me know if you need me to clear anything up!

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That's correct. SCT does not support MAC products. You can download windows software to your mac but that can be a PITA and becomes tricky if you ever have to datalog.

Most guys that are running Mac software (Iphone,Ipad,Mac) usually do go with the iTSX. This device has some really cool features that the SF3 doesn't but still will deliver the same tunes! Bluetooth Wireless Vehicle Tuning, 0-60MPH Performance Test with Estimated HP & TQ and Monitor Vehicle Engine Data via Virtual Gauges are just a few of the awesome features this device packs.

I hope this answers your question. Let me know if you need me to clear anything up!

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Thanks again Dan...I will have to go with the iTSX then...I will be placing that order next Friday...I am excited to see what this tune will do for my car!
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Thanks again Dan...I will have to go with the iTSX then...I will be placing that order next Friday...I am excited to see what this tune will do for my car!
You get a lot of additional features with that tuner.

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OK, I just received a new tune from Steeda and should have my new CAI tomorrow.

My situation:

1) SCT tuner that does NOT have the latest firmware
2) Successfully uploaded previous Steeda tune using the older firmware

Steeda now suggests that I upgrade the firmware BEFORE applying the new tune. No problem.

Question - should I return to stock (I backed it up on the device, and then to my laptop via the software) BEFORE upgrading the firmware? THEN update the firmware, THEN load the new tune into the tuner and THEN upload the new tune to the car?

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OK, I just received a new tune from Steeda and should have my new CAI tomorrow.

My situation:

1) SCT tuner that does NOT have the latest firmware
2) Successfully uploaded previous Steeda tune using the older firmware

Steeda now suggests that I upgrade the firmware BEFORE applying the new tune. No problem.

Question - should I return to stock (I backed it up on the device, and then to my laptop via the software) BEFORE upgrading the firmware? THEN update the firmware, THEN load the new tune into the tuner and THEN upload the new tune to the car?

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You have to go back to stock. The tuner should marry itself to your ecu, and won't let you change tunes or anything on it until you unmarry it from your car. It is a solid protection so you don't get a brick of a car.
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for what it is worth, my reco, plus experience. I have the sct tuner from American muscle with the bama tunes. I have retuned my car maybe 10-12 times. I was paranoid at first and everytime I took my car to the dealer I would tune it back to stock. I since realized they could careless, my current ford dealer that is, and stopped doing that.

I only ever had my car "brick" once. I also will say this was because of faulty tunes from bama. Not that it was tho, just that I got new tunes and then this happened. Also everytime, only with these specific tunes, that my radiator fan kicked in the car would almost stall. MY RECOMMENDATION, is the program from SCT will have an option to backup the stock tune from your car, DO IT. I had the car, which had been tuned to 93 octane race tune, where I went to put it back to stock, to update the device and load even newer tunes, and the car failed going back to stock, and wouldn't start. Tried going back to stock again, failed. It was a sunday, and SCT is closed saturday and sunday. So i called them monday, explained what happened, and that I had the factory tuned backed up. They flat out reformatted the device, unlocked it from my car, reloaded the firmware, and then loaded up a recovery file they made using my stock tune. So I literally walked out, loaded up the stock tune, then loaded up my custom tune, and I was good to go.

So wasn't really a big deal, but had I not backed up the stock tune, I more than likely would have, from what sct said, had to call Ford, tow the car to them, and have them force restore my cars computer.

Don't know how true this is. I have been extremely happy with my SCT tuner, and this one event felt pretty minor by how awesome the SCT guys were, that I really would recommend there products. Also the guys at AmericanMuscle and Bama are always very helpful and very knowledgable.

so recap. DON'T TUNE THE CAR BUT AT HOME, or you might get stranded, BACKUP YOUR STOCK TUNE. Go flash your new custom tune, then go inside and backup your stock tune with the SCT program.

3 questions for you:

- What do you mean by "brick" car?

- How dramatic is the race tune? Can I use it safely on the road, or is it extremely torquey.

- How do you back up your stock tune?
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3 questions for you:

- What do you mean by "brick" car?

- How dramatic is the race tune? Can I use it safely on the road, or is it extremely torquey.

- How do you back up your stock tune?
Brick as in every light in the dash was on, and car would not even try and turn over.

Ehh a little dramatic. I run it on the road. If your easy on the clutch and gas it is fine. I drove with it last winter in snow with no issue.

In the SCT program on the computer it has an option to backup the stock files. I forget exactly what it is called, should be obvious if you use the program thought.
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3 questions for you:

- What do you mean by "brick" car?

- How dramatic is the race tune? Can I use it safely on the road, or is it extremely torquey.

- How do you back up your stock tune?
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Brick as in every light in the dash was on, and car would not even try and turn over.

Ehh a little dramatic. I run it on the road. If your easy on the clutch and gas it is fine. I drove with it last winter in snow with no issue.

In the SCT program on the computer it has an option to backup the stock files. I forget exactly what it is called, should be obvious if you use the program thought.
Nosympathy is correct. The race tune is perfectly safe for the car to run everyday. However the settings are so aggressive that you have to be careful. This tune is for race use so it's going to get off the line very fast, Even a red light !

You can back up your stock file on the device which is very easy. I would recommend saving your files to your computer or email as well just to be sure you have everything backed up!

I hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions!

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Thank you Dan. This helps a lot.

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I am going to place my order for the iTSX tuner tomorrow. I cannot not wait to see what it does for my pony.
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Just wanted to confirm with DanBailer, or anyones that knows for sure:

The Bama "Race" Tune can run with 91 octane without any problems?
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Just wanted to confirm with DanBailer, or anyones that knows for sure:

The Bama "Race" Tune can run with 91 octane without any problems?
Yes when you chose what tunes you want, you can choose a race tune with 91 octane. Just not 87 octane.
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Yes when you chose what tunes you want, you can choose a race tune with 91 octane. Just not 87 octane.
Since the 2011+ 5.0's are such high compression, I'd be surprised if 87 was even an option.
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absolutely, 91 octane "race" tune is safe to run as a daily driving tune. however, worse gas mileage, and quicker response on acceleration. Do not recommend driving with TCS, and Advancetrac off on wet roads with this tune. Recipe for disaster
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Since the 2011+ 5.0's are such high compression, I'd be surprised if 87 was even an option.
It isn't for race or performance but street tunes you can run it.

Personally I will pay the extra couple bucks for 93 over 87.
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It isn't for race or performance but street tunes you can run it.

Personally I will pay the extra couple bucks for 93 over 87.
I'm surprised. My Mach1 requires premium fuel (91 octane) stock. My tuner did not have any tunes sub 91 octane. The new 5.0 has higher compression than my 4v (10:1).
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I'm surprised. My Mach1 requires premium fuel (91 octane) stock. My tuner did not have any tunes sub 91 octane. The new 5.0 has higher compression than my 4v (10:1).
Yeah dunno. Even the manual says you can technically run 87.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...4oYyChTZUlInMA

Should take you to the Ford 2011 5.0 spec sheet where they even say 91 is recommended but it will run on 87.
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absolutely, 91 octane "race" tune is safe to run as a daily driving tune. however, worse gas mileage, and quicker response on acceleration. Do not recommend driving with TCS, and Advancetrac off on wet roads with this tune. Recipe for disaster
I'm sorry, excuse the ignorance. What is TCS?

It's about to get rainy up in here with the winter approaching. Should I lay off a race tune, or are you only suggesting against it with Advnacetrac and the TCS (?) off during rainy season? That wasn't too clear....
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I'm sorry, excuse the ignorance. What is TCS?

It's about to get rainy up in here with the winter approaching. Should I lay off a race tune, or are you only suggesting against it with Advnacetrac and the TCS (?) off during rainy season? That wasn't too clear....

Traction control system. One controls your tires slipping and the other controls the car sliding sideways

Yeah don't turn it off when the road is wet or snowy etc. You'll more than likely loose control of your car. I run a 93R tune and drove it last winter in the snow with that tune. You can still baby the car with that tune, but if you have a lead foot it may not be ideal.
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I'm sorry, excuse the ignorance. What is TCS?

It's about to get rainy up in here with the winter approaching. Should I lay off a race tune, or are you only suggesting against it with Advnacetrac and the TCS (?) off during rainy season? That wasn't too clear....
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Traction control system. One controls your tires slipping and the other controls the car sliding sideways

Yeah don't turn it off when the road is wet or snowy etc. You'll more than likely loose control of your car. I run a 93R tune and drove it last winter in the snow with that tune. You can still baby the car with that tune, but if you have a lead foot it may not be ideal.
Klaximilian,

If you're driving the car and the roads are wet and snowy then obviously traction control and advance trac will help you out with traction. When its raining leave them on, when its dry you can turn them off but you don't have to!

The street and race tune will react the same way in the crappy weather when traction is off. A lot of spinning and having fun !

Remember just to be conscious of your surrounds and be safe!

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I've got the 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 i also run 93 octane race tune from bama it runs real good on street although it is a little heavy on the throttle when driving in everyday slow city traffic. But I love it
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Anyone had any problems with Bama Tunes on an '11 lately? I just ordered JLT/Bama combo on 1/7/2013! Hoping by now they've got all the bugs (ie running lean, software problems) out of the '11 tunes by now. Have been told by AM REP that the '11 tunes are near perfect now. Just wondering if someone could give me some insight. Car has 8300 miles so. No problems thus far.
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Anyone had any problems with Bama Tunes on an '11 lately? I just ordered JLT/Bama combo on 1/7/2013! Hoping by now they've got all the bugs (ie running lean, software problems) out of the '11 tunes by now. Have been told by AM REP that the '11 tunes are near perfect now. Just wondering if someone could give me some insight. Car has 8300 miles so. No problems thus far.
I have a 11 v6 and have been running my tunes from AM for the past year. I have a sct bama performance tuner and freaking love it. Never a days problem. AM has given me several different tunes through my various mods and they are awesome. I just installed my hybrid tune a few hours ago. Love the tuner and AM is awesome . Great customer service and great knowledge. No issues ever with it.
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I have a 11 v6 and have been running my tunes from AM for the past year. I have a sct bama performance tuner and freaking love it. Never a days problem. AM has given me several different tunes through my various mods and they are awesome. I just installed my hybrid tune a few hours ago. Love the tuner and AM is awesome . Great customer service and great knowledge. No issues ever with it.
No issues either... Been about 9 months on 93 Race and 1 on 93 Hybrid.

And I do push the car often!!! Loads of fun!
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