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Old 12-29-2012, 12:20 PM   #1
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What does it do? Do I HAVE to have one if I decide to lower the car? Just looking for more info in it.
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It centers the rear axle . When you lower your car, your axle will move towards the drivers side.
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What does it do? Do I HAVE to have one if I decide to lower the car? Just looking for more info in it.
it's worth the money
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The phb simply helps keep your rear axle centered. Depending on how low you lower the car depends on if you'll need one. Anything lower than 1" and you'll need one. If you decide to get one make sure it's adjustable so that you can get the axle back straight. I recommend BMR adj phb
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The phb simply helps keep your rear axle centered. Depending on how low you lower the car depends on if you'll need one. Anything lower than 1" and you'll need one. If you decide to get one make sure it's adjustable so that you can get the axle back straight. I recommend BMR adj phb
that's what I put on mine not that expensive and deft glad I got it
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I grabbed the Steeda Adj PHB on Cyber Monday. I'd had my car lowered on H&R Super Sport springs, but the rear axle was off center before that. Now it's centered, looks great and it also seems to help putting more power to the pavement. They are a fantastic investment.
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People only hear about pan hard bars in response to lowering. We forget that it's also good for chassis stiffening. Even if you don't lower your car (you'd be crazy not to lol) I'd still recommend one because it tightens up the ride. I could tell a significant improvement when I installed mine
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The phb simply helps keep your rear axle centered. Depending on how low you lower the car depends on if you'll need one. Anything lower than 1" and you'll need one. If you decide to get one make sure it's adjustable so that you can get the axle back straight. I recommend BMR adj phb
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I lowered my car about 1 in. with Steeda sport springs, and the back always looks aligned, maybe because it was not a big drop did not affected the car, instead it feels better. Probably that if you go lower than 1 in., you might need one.
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I lowered my car about 1 in. with Steeda sport springs, and the back always looks aligned, maybe because it was not a big drop did not affected the car, instead it feels better. Probably that if you go lower than 1 in., you might need one.
I lowered mine 1" and my axle was about 3/4" off center, needed panhard bar
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I lowered mine 1" and my axle was about 3/4" off center, needed panhard bar
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I first noticed this on my car about 2 months after I took her home. I even had the shop I worked at put her up on the lift to see of it was the result of a wreck because I had no idea what was going on. As GrabberBlue said, it absolutely helps stiffen up your chassis and the bushings are a 100x better.
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The phb simply helps keep your rear axle centered. Depending on how low you lower the car depends on if you'll need one. Anything lower than 1" and you'll need one. If you decide to get one make sure it's adjustable so that you can get the axle back straight. I recommend BMR adj phb
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I lowered mine 1" and my axle was about 3/4" off center, needed panhard bar
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Which PHB do you recommend?
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Hi GrabberBlue,
Which PHB do you recommend?
I think he has the steeda. So I am going to bet that .
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Which PHB do you recommend?
BMR is a very popular one to get... Their website is running a Christmas sale right now. I just ordered the rear lca and relocation bracket this morning.
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I think he has the steeda. So I am going to bet that .
You are correct! I do have the Steeda! However it's a PITA to tighten down once in place, honestly the BMR is a great design and good company, I love Steeda products (I have quite a few) but I cannot recommend the steeda phb over BMR.
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You are correct! I do have the Steeda! However it's a PITA to tighten down once in place, honestly the BMR is a great design and good company, I love Steeda products (I have quite a few) but I cannot recommend the steeda phb over BMR.
What's the difference in adjustment between the two?
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If my car was lowered about 1 in. With Steeda sport springs, do I really need to change the LCA's?
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With a mustang that is lowered 1 in. Is there any handling advantage by changing the LCA & panhard bar or is really the same thing, you can not notice any change at all?
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With a mustang that is lowered 1 in. Is there any handling advantage by changing the LCA & panhard bar or is really the same thing, you can not notice any change at all?
I noticed a significant difference after lca and uca which I did separately from PHB, do them all, trust me
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Even with lowering the car you won't have the back end tighten up like you would if you do LCA UCA and pan hard bar.

Would be highly recommended.

I am doing those three first from white line then lowering the car.
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What's the difference in adjustment between the two?
Steedas adjustment is on the end of the PHB which are almost impossible to get a wrench on because the nut sits inside of the brace where the PHB bolts, BMR has their adjustment in the center and is very easy to adjust and tighten
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Any idea of the total cost of lca, uca and phb?
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Off the top of my head I would guesstimate 600-700 in just parts
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Thanks for the info. Guys
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What's the difference in adjustment between the two?
The BMR one is easier to use.
The pic shows just how easy it is to adjust.

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Steedas adjustment is on the end of the PHB which are almost impossible to get a wrench on because the nut sits inside of the brace where the PHB bolts, BMR has their adjustment in the center and is very easy to adjust and tighten
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The BMR one is easier to use.
The pic shows just how easy it is to adjust.
Nice, I'm sold on the BMR. Thanks guys!
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I measured both rear sides with a fisherman line and a sinker, and both measured 2 in., even that I lowered my car with Steeda Sport springs.
I was reading a book called "How to make your car handle". and it mentions the following "A stock Panhard rod is usually equipped with rubber bushings at the ends, and these are too flexible to do a lot of good for axle location. If you are trying to adapt a stock Panhard rod, replace the rubber bushings with stiffer ones or with hard bushings."
-I think that this might be a cheap solution to issues with our stock PHB. ( I saw some polyurethane bushings for our stock PHB in LMR from Prothane, about $25. I don't know if they could be a good option.)
Also the article mentions that the reason to upgrade to a PHB or Watts linkage, is:
"If the rear suspension has a softness which the driver feels as vague or rubbery feeling in a corner".
Later in the article mentions another locating device option, called "traction bars".
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I measured both rear sides with a fisherman line and a sinker, and both measured 2 in., even that I lowered my car with Steeda Sport springs.
I was reading a book called "How to make your car handle". and it mentions the following "A stock Panhard rod is usually equipped with rubber bushings at the ends, and these are too flexible to do a lot of good for axle location. If you are trying to adapt a stock Panhard rod, replace the rubber bushings with stiffer ones or with hard bushings."
-I think that this might be a cheap solution to issues with our stock PHB. ( I saw some polyurethane bushings for our stock PHB in LMR from Prothane, about $25. I don't know if they could be a good option.)
Also the article mentions that the reason to upgrade to a PHB or Watts linkage, is:
"If the rear suspension has a softness which the driver feels as vague or rubbery feeling in a corner".
Later in the article mentions another locating device option, called "traction bars".
Where did you find those bushings? I might go ahead and order them
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Where did you find those bushings? I might go ahead and order them
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