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Old 01-18-2013, 10:04 AM   #1
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Has anyone purchased this? and what did they think about it? I imagine there is already a thread about this but cant get search to find it.
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There is a thread, search procal. Guy claims he ran 11s with it and still keeps warranty.
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If you go to svtp and all ford mustang forum you will see tons of topic on procal. From my personal experience and my research I will say that one of the biggest issue with procal is pinging. Some have it and some dont, but if you are one of the unlucky one's like myself that get pinging then I will warn you now that there's nothing you will be able to do about it. Ford racing tech's are fully aware of this and they call it "catalyst impingement", which sound a little funny to me lol. No one so far was able to figure out wth ford racing mean by that. Any mechanics and well experienced tuners will clearly tell you that it's knock once they hear it. Another issue I had with procal was excessive drive train clunk while letting off and getting on the gas only in 6th gear while cruising on the highway. Again, this is simply probably the affect of "canned tune" or a one tune for all. Might work for one car but might cause issue for the other. One of the biggest drawback with procal is that they don't offer custom tune for your specific vehicle. Not necessarily for other mods but they should be able to make adjustments until the car operate within specs. Pinging and whatever cause excessive clunks are definitely not OK. Ford racing basically said to live with it or take it off. I took it off and went with diablo in tune and couldn't be happier. 3 times more power and none of those issues procal caused. All I can say is to choose wisely.
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^Good info, man, thanks
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Generally, the people with this tune (from what I have read) who do NOT have the pinging issues are happy with it. HOWEVER - you'll have no support for ANY tune-required aftermarket accessories, ever.
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Generally, the people with this tune (from what I have read) who do NOT have the pinging issues are happy with it. HOWEVER - you'll have no support for ANY tune-required aftermarket accessories, ever.
The purpose of the tune is to keep your warranty . Else everyone would get a custom tune.
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I was just wondering if anyone say any significant gains in 0-60, or quarter mile times
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The purpose of the tune is to keep your warranty . Else everyone would get a custom tune.
You have to be careful when you say "keep" your warranty. The drive train warranty is lost through Ford but picked up by Ford Racing. They are entirely two different companies.
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You have to be careful when you say "keep" your warranty. The drive train warranty is lost through Ford but picked up by Ford Racing. They are entirely two different companies.
A warranty is a warranty, when Ford is in the name. My research said factory warranty is retained.
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A warranty is a warranty, when Ford is in the name. My research said factory warranty is retained.
No, grabber is right. Ford motor company, ford dealerships, and ford racing are all different companies. The factory warranty is dropped and ford racing gives you a 3/36 warranty (I think that's how long it is)
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A warranty is a warranty, when Ford is in the name. My research said factory warranty is retained.
And you would be wrong. You might want to do some more research......
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No, grabber is right. Ford motor company, ford dealerships, and ford racing are all different companies. The factory warranty is dropped and ford racing gives you a 3/36 warranty (I think that's how long it is)
That's exactly right.
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No, grabber is right. Ford motor company, ford dealerships, and ford racing are all different companies. The factory warranty is dropped and ford racing gives you a 3/36 warranty (I think that's how long it is)
It picks up the factory drivetrain warranty and runs until 3/36 from vehicle origination date. As in you can't put the tune on a car with 20k miles expecting a warranty till 56k.
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Don't mistake ford racing supported warranty vs ford dealer supported warranty. Ford racing carry the name "ford" but they are an "aftermarket" company just the same as steeda, roush, Brenspeed, etc.. The only way you can have warranty valid from ford racing is if you let a ford dealership do the install, then you have to take that work order and a purchase receipt from where ever you get your procal from and fax everything over to ford racing. As soon as all paperwork are validated via ford racing, they will pick up warranty through 36k miles. As someone have said earlier, the main reason why anyone would get procal is to be warranty paranoia free. The gain won't be too much so don't expect anything spectacular. One thing I did enjoy about procal is low rpm torque. It has plenty of it although I am not so sure if is really 60ft lb of tq at 1500rpm. If you do a search on Google for "mustang procal dyno" you will find a few threads where couple guys have dynoed their car with procal. Overall, procal is really not too bad if you plan to stay with just a tune, but if you get pinging then that might just change everything, unless you like the noise as if your heat shield was crumpling during acceleration.
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I got it. You lose the Ford 3/36 and gain the FRPP 3/36 or whatever is remaining if Ford determines the tune caused the issue. Beware of Dealerships refusing to do this mod for you or refuse to file the data to FRPP because you did not buy from them. I bought mine through Buyfordracing. Even though FRPP told me on the phone any Ford or Lincoln dealer can install this upgrade dosen't mean they will. I found a dealer that had no problem installing it and they have two guys assigned to do FRPP type installs, besides they have modified Mustang's of their own.
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The people who bought the extended warranty are screwed if they tune!! They should get their money back if Ford drops your warranty!!!! That's the way I look at it!!!
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0-60 is all about traction and so a tune isn't going to show you huge gains here no matter what you use.

I picked up a few mph at the track and a few mpg on the street with this tune. It's really fun to drive for sure and with good gas and a few profile relearns, the issue of pinging, isn't, for me, anyway.

You need to compare apples to apples in looking at tunes. This is a 91 octane street tune. Comparing it to a 93 octane race tune isn't fair. I'll stack the Procal against any other street 91 octane tune out there and the warranty support is a big bonus.

Nothing in the warranty docs say you "lose" your PT warranty. What it says is the FRPP picks up the powertrain part of the B2B warranty for the remainder of your 3/36. Not #8 only or some **** but, the whole powertrain, that means engine, trans, rear end. That's as good as it's going to get.

There is no statement about the remains of 5 year regular PT warranty being lost but, we're too close in for anyone to have tested this yet. If the car makes it to 3/36, there's likely nothing warrantable that's going to go wrong unless you break it yourself.
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You also don't automatically lose your entire warranty for any powertrain claim. Read the flow chart ... I BELIEVE it enumerates specific types of failures that can be caused by a "bad" tune.

If your water pump goes, you're likely covered regardless of tune unless your dealer sucks. In which case your screwed anyway.
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The people who bought the extended warranty are screwed if they tune!! They should get their money back if Ford drops your warranty!!!! That's the way I look at it!!!
You are 100% correct. I started out with an extended warranty and I was told installing FRPP was ok. Wrong! Under the ESP (Extended Service Plan) on page 3, para 7c you will see Ford Racing parts spelled out. I made a few phone calls, got a call from the director of financing, filed the cancel paperwork, and got my money back very quickly by dealership standards.
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Cant you cancel the extended warranty, though? I know they mentioned transferrable/ refundable on a sale/trade but not sure about a straight out cancel. Where's that paperwork...?
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Cant you cancel the extended warranty, though? I know they mentioned transferrable/ refundable on a sale/trade but not sure about a straight out cancel. Where's that paperwork...?
You already have that paperwork, it's in the contract (ESP 8240-NatApp/Provos-(F)-(Oct 11) on pages 4 through 7 starting at item 12 (A), just an FYI here (12 (B) Is Fords right to cancel you). You have to read all the lawyer crud and then search four pages to see if your state has additional items that may modify the original 12 (A) statement. I would call Ford ESP (have your VIN available) since they will answer your questions and you may be able to just file with them. It's fairly straight forward.
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He's right. You can cancel, within 30 or 90 days u get 100% back. After that it is prorated. If u ever trade in, cancel a few months prior so it knocks down ur loan
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Cool, not that I was looking to cancel, but if I get the tune bug or something, nice to know I have options.
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