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Old 02-06-2013, 04:16 PM   #1
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Everyday Driver: Turbo or Centrifugal Supercharger?

I have a 2013 GT with almost 10,000 miles on it and I was wanting to start getting more power out of it. My tax return should be pretty high this year, so I was looking at some power adders.

The key point here is, this car is a daily driver, even in the snow and ice. For the short term, I am looking at maybe in the low 600 RWHP range, on the stock engine block and transmission.

Which would you guys choose for reliability and such, the turbo (twin or single) or a centrifugal charger such as paxton?
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Turbo will not hurt ur mpg it may even help plus turbo will make more power check out on3 performance ppl will hate on em bc there relatively cheaper but if seen them there good
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Either Paxton or twin turbo... I say twin just bc it's that much more badass. Paxton is capable of 1000hp as well as the twin turbo. Both are great options, just depends how much money you wanna spend. Simply said, Paxton is the best bang for your buck but def doesn't sell itself short by any means just bc it's cheaper and more easily maintained. I have a Paxton and love it, Awesome highway car! Paxton installed and everything would cost no more then 6k, twin obviously more around 8-9. Single turbo close to 6k.
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Trust me, for DD, you want a centri blower. Easy install, low maintenance, no stress. Turbos will have you looking for a ****box to get you around reliably pretty quick. Anyone whose done this knows, mega-power but fussy to tune and maintain, full stop.
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Trust me, for DD, you want a centri blower. Easy install, low maintenance, no stress. Turbos will have you looking for a ****box to get you around reliably pretty quick. Anyone whose done this knows, mega-power but fussy to tune and maintain, full stop.
Idk were everyone gets this myth that turbos are unreliable this isn't the 80s anymore they are extremely reliable and just as easy to tune idk were u get that from boost is boost but the turbo will make more power on less boost they are more efficient
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Trust me, for DD, you want a centri blower. Easy install, low maintenance, no stress. Turbos will have you looking for a ****box to get you around reliably pretty quick. Anyone whose done this knows, mega-power but fussy to tune and maintain, full stop.
Not true...mine was tuned first time and runs great...I can't complain one bit...Just bought everything to turn it up to 10psi...I have over 2k miles on the turbo kit and not one problem! Wife even drives it and can't even tell there was anything done to it...but she does stay out of the throttle!
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Trust me, for DD, you want a centri blower. Easy install, low maintenance, no stress. Turbos will have you looking for a ****box to get you around reliably pretty quick. Anyone whose done this knows, mega-power but fussy to tune and maintain, full stop.
+1 every speed shop i have talk to recommends me a centr or twinscrewi over a single turbo ALLL Day!! And if you want twin turbo, be ready to pay up to 3k in install because all the wires and fuse box has to be removes and relocated and the kits arent 100% bolt on.
This is not my opinion or the opinion of some random guy i talked to but it is what 100% all shops have told me nation wide from personal experience on mustang.

If it helps, my car will be getting a procharger sometime this summer after i install the cobra jet mani and long tubes.

Please dont reply to this about how awesome single turbo is or how wrong i am, if you want to comment just pick up the phone and complain to some of the shops i spoke with
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I would go turbo. A turbo 5.0 will.stomp a center/ twinscrew. At the same boost level. The single 67 from hellion. Just drive one b4 you hate on.them. your mind will be made up
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I would go turbo. A turbo 5.0 will.stomp a center/ twinscrew. At the same boost level. The single 67 from hellion. Just drive one b4 you hate on.them. your mind will be made up
I love turbos, i had a twin turbo 335i bmw and it was fast as fu***.
I also was given a ride in a twin turbo 5.0 2012 and i pee my self a little after burning out in 3 gear at a very illegal speed.

But my money will go with a centri and a cobra jet mani.
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I love turbos, i had a twin turbo 335i bmw and it was fast as fu***.
I also was given a ride in a twin turbo 5.0 2012 and i pee my self a little after burning out in 3 gear at a very illegal speed.

But my money will go with a centri and a cobra jet mani.
Cobra jet Mani / procharger should be good power. I would go with a F1 blower.
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Cobra jet Mani / procharger should be good power. I would go with a F1 blower.
Yes f1 now they have the onboard adjustable boost control. Look in their website it is bad a$$
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Yes f1 now they have the onboard adjustable boost control. Look in their website it is bad a$$
I saw that. Good to have just don't get to happy with it lol.
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Happy with the adjustable boost controller that is. Could get bad
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Happy with the adjustable boost controller that is. Could get bad
They have a max psi set to be safe for the engine, i think it is 4 settings from low low boost to holly sh*t boost.
It is good because you dont waste gas during regular driving but with a touch of a screen you get 650 or so wheel hp.
Most likely at lease at first i will have it at holly sh*t boost.
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Another great thing about the turbos is you can ramp in the boost by rpm...gear..or whatever...Not to mention you can use scramble for a 5 or so secs of really high boost to get you the win...turbos are sooo programmable...I have six preset boost levels and a scramble can change them on the fly...I love my turbo!!!
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You want a DD? No idea why people are telling you twin turbo. Turbo goes full boost around 1500 rpm's. you mentioned snow. Wtf dude, don't listen to the internets. The obvious choice here is centri, but talk to a mustang shop. Again, I'm sure if you qualify your question the way you did here, you'll hear centri, but this is an age-old argument so people are coming here with their opinions on the 'best' without considering your specific needs
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You want a DD? No idea why people are telling you twin turbo. Turbo goes full boost around 1500 rpm's. you mentioned snow. Wtf dude, don't listen to the internets. The obvious choice here is centri, but talk to a mustang shop. Again, I'm sure if you qualify your question the way you did here, you'll hear centri, but this is an age-old argument so people are coming here with their opinions on the 'best' without considering your specific needs
A turbo goes full boost @ 1500 RPM's? I've owned multiple turbo cars and never had a single one that would make full boost at 1500 RPM. More like 3000-4000 RPM depending on the size of the turbo and whether or not it had a ball bearing cartridge.

You can do a lot more with a turbo or twin turbo's than you can with a supercharger. If you want to up the boost or lower the boost it can be done at the flip of a switch or twist of a knob depending on your boost controller. A supercharger requires a pulley change. Turbos are extremely efficient due to the fact that they use exhaust gas to spool the turbos vs. a supercharger that robs your engine of power to drive the supercharger. Turbo's don't spool unless you hit the throttle hard which means you will not see a change to your fuel mileage unless you are getting heavy on the gas pedal.

Depsite the advantages to turbos there are some downsides. For starters the installation is going to be a lot more costly and or timely than a supercharger since you will have to replace the factory exhaust manifolds with turbo manifolds, install down pipes, tap into a vacuum source, tap into an oil source, tap into a cooling source and etc. Turbos have a lot more working parts and can be a real pain in the *** when something goes wrong (believe me something WILL go wrong eventually). With that being said I am going to put a centri on my 5.0.

Superchargers are relatively simple compared to turbos. If things go wrong with your supercharger it's going to be much easier to diagnose. When you're ready to sell the car the supercharger can be easily removed and the car can be returned to stock, while that's also possible with turbo's the process is far more involved and labor intensive.
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You want a DD? No idea why people are telling you twin turbo. Turbo goes full boost around 1500 rpm's. you mentioned snow. Wtf dude, don't listen to the internets. The obvious choice here is centri, but talk to a mustang shop. Again, I'm sure if you qualify your question the way you did here, you'll hear centri, but this is an age-old argument so people are coming here with their opinions on the 'best' without considering your specific needs
I agree !!!!

Yes, the situation of a DD, and the road condition with which you drive on daily makes all the difference in the world. Setting your car up for maximum use is different than just throwing the best config you can buy, it's a lot about knowing your inviorment.
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A turbo goes full boost @ 1500 RPM's? I've owned multiple turbo cars and never had a single one that would make full boost at 1500 RPM. More like 3000-4000 RPM depending on the size of the turbo and whether or not it had a ball bearing cartridge.

You can do a lot more with a turbo or twin turbo's than you can with a supercharger. If you want to up the boost or lower the boost it can be done at the flip of a switch or twist of a knob depending on your boost controller. A supercharger requires a pulley change. Turbos are extremely efficient due to the fact that they use exhaust gas to spool the turbos vs. a supercharger that robs your engine of power to drive the supercharger. Turbo's don't spool unless you hit the throttle hard which means you will not see a change to your fuel mileage unless you are getting heavy on the gas pedal.

Depsite the advantages to turbos there are some downsides. For starters the installation is going to be a lot more costly and or timely than a supercharger since you will have to replace the factory exhaust manifolds with turbo manifolds, install down pipes, tap into a vacuum source, tap into an oil source, tap into a cooling source and etc. Turbos have a lot more working parts and can be a real pain in the *** when something goes wrong (believe me something WILL go wrong eventually). With that being said I am going to put a centri on my 5.0.

Superchargers are relatively simple compared to turbos. If things go wrong with your supercharger it's going to be much easier to diagnose. When you're ready to sell the car the supercharger can be easily removed and the car can be returned to stock, while that's also possible with turbo's the process is far more involved and labor intensive.
ble to supply boost. Boost supplied by the turbo is a function of the relationship between the exhaust flow out of the engine and the turbo (primarily turbine) sizing. Properly sized, modern turbos can provide maximum (or full) boost as low as 1,500 rpm.

Read more: http://www.mustangandfords.com/techa...#ixzz2KBVsOZVm

Just an FYI, I don't pull numbers out of my ***. My last twin turbo spooled up around 1400 and stayed flat to redline. Maybe your turbos weren't properly sized or tuned
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I have never heard of a turbo providing full boost at 1500 rpm. Unless you spray a small shot of nitrous, directly into the turbo to spool it up. A hellion 67 on a
New 5.0 reaches full boost around 3500 rpm.
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I like the Roush twin screw. I don't recall what the model number was but it was in the 600hp range. Turbos are cool too, so are blowers. I just like how the twin screw replaces the intake manifold. It makes me feel like its more a part of the motor rather than bolted on the side like an accessory.

Don't flame me guys! I said they were ALL cool and I don't have either one, I'm NA. I'm just stating my opinion.
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Does anyone know why you can't get a blower like the older ones, that stick through the hood. I'd bolt one on tomorrow if they did .
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Does anyone know why you can't get a blower like the older ones, that stick through the hood. I'd bolt one on tomorrow if they did .
+1 Uncles got a 79 trans am like that
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Does anyone know why you can't get a blower like the older ones, that stick through the hood. I'd bolt one on tomorrow if they did .
I don't know much about the roots blower but I think it's because it was a carbureted setup.
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Does anyone know why you can't get a blower like the older ones, that stick through the hood. I'd bolt one on tomorrow if they did .
Those old school blowers where massive and alot more littles than the 2.3 or even a 4.0L wipple. Maybe that is why they didnt fit.
I would loveeeeeeeee that!!!
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Trust me, for DD, you want a centri blower. Easy install, low maintenance, no stress. Turbos will have you looking for a ****box to get you around reliably pretty quick. Anyone whose done this knows, mega-power but fussy to tune and maintain, full stop.
+1 on that
The install of my vortech v3 centri blower was straight forward and it NEVER gave me a single problem. It also makes a great power difference. And the complete setup was around $3,500.
Faster, inexpensive, reliable
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I would like that! Call me ricey but it is cool
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I would like that! Call me ricey but it is cool
I don't think it's ricey... They did that with the zr1 and I can't think of anything ricey about that car lol
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I don't think it's ricey... They did that with the zr1 and I can't think of anything ricey about that car lol
I don't know about that. I heard by a friend of mines uncles college roommate that the zr1 runs on soy sauce. That's pretty ricey.
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I don't know about that. I heard by a friend of mines uncles college roommate that the zr1 runs on soy sauce. That's pretty ricey.
My dads uncles cousin twice removed friends son doctor has a friend that has a son who also has a friend that works for GM, so I can confirm that actually.
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Idk were everyone gets this myth that turbos are unreliable this isn't the 80s anymore they are extremely reliable and just as easy to tune idk were u get that from boost is boost but the turbo will make more power on less boost they are more efficient
I wasn't born in the 80's and I had this mentality. Till I looked at the reliability rates now. Most that blow are idiots in Nissan sentra's with 15 pound boost in the biggest turbo they could find. Gee, I wonder why
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My dads uncles cousin twice removed friends son doctor has a friend that has a son who also has a friend that works for GM, so I can confirm that actually.
They might be the same guy. Lol
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For DD I would say turbo. Like stated earlier they can be set to make boost at a certain rpm or speed or whatever you choose. With a charger its boost all the time. You're converting gas to noise constantly. So a single turbo will do for street use. If you track it on occasion, then just set it differently and there you go. Just know someone is always faster.
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Forget boost...Just run nos all the time, very reliable, easy install, and cost effective...done
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For DD I would say turbo. Like stated earlier they can be set to make boost at a certain rpm or speed or whatever you choose. With a charger its boost all the time. You're converting gas to noise constantly. So a single turbo will do for street use. If you track it on occasion, then just set it differently and there you go. Just know someone is always faster.
No, with a centri you're not in boost all the time. Really only when you want to be. As a matter of fact I just made a 12 hour drive in mine 2 weeks ago and averaged 23mpg with 3.73s and 677whp. Thing drives like stock when I want it to.
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