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Old 02-14-2013, 11:43 PM   #1
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TrackPak Oil ?

Howdy, Just Got My 2013 Trackpak Gt

And of Course , Iam writing because its TICKING
with just 2000 miles ? And was broken in correctly and responsibly, havent even seen over 100mph in it
and NOT one drag race, Just an occasional blast in 2nd and 3rd after 200 miles to properly break in the rings and seat the crank bearings, Mainly just highway miles

Iam hearing its the Cam phasers ? or Chain Tensioner
So what has Ford done to eliviate this to prevent Gt owners from
coming back every 2000 miles and requesting another set.

But a real good question prior to this is
Why do ONLY the Trackpak cars have the same 5w50 oil as the Boss ?

Are there goodies down below in the Block that Ford wont devulge to prevent a negative sales effect on their more costly Boss Cousins ?

Great Question Right ?
Rumor down here is the Trackpak cars get the same flash Tune as
the Ford Racing Power Packs and that Ford does a CYA with the Thicker Oil.


But It still ticks ? Any Suggestions changing to Ams oil has been already discounted by Ford Themselves

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Old 02-14-2013, 11:54 PM   #2
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from what i've researched ford recommends the 5w50 for those models due to what they believe the engines will be put through...even though it's the same engine as the standard 5.0's which call for 5w20...basically 5w20 for mileage or 5w50 for longevity is the jist....so i see
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Thanks for your input
But heres the confusing part ?

A lot of Non Track GT's have been ordered with a stick and 3:73 gears
And youd think that would qualify them for the 5w50 oil too ?

After all, its the gear ratio that beats up the engine fastest
Not the Mileage.

And Ford does advertise on their 2014 Track Gt's that a more aggresive tune is performed over a stock GT

This is a rarely disscussed topic on other forums, but a very interesting one at that.
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again from what i've read not personal experience ford says 5w50 not because of a tune difference but from how the car is planned on being used...they assume a track pack or boss will see more track time then a general 5.0 GT
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:35 AM   #5
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Hmm ? Well Ford definitely has some issues Here
Here I have the Thicker, Safer Oil, and the car hasnt even seen any rpms past 3rd gear and its ticking, at the left side front valve cover

Whats gonna happen when it does see some fun ?


Glad i got the extended 75000 mile warranty
I think iam gonna need it (sadly)
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again from what i've read not personal experience ford says 5w50 not because of a tune difference but from how the car is planned on being used...they assume a track pack or boss will see more track time then a general 5.0 GT
Exactly. If you are buying a "track pack" you are going to track it. That is how it is sold.

The 5w50 is well known for causing ticking. If you want it to go away switch to 5w20. The engine is the same, the expected outcome is different.
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i agree that if it's a DD even if it's a track pack 5w20 would be a good swap
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Thats Interesting
Theres a lot of other stangs complaining about "The Tick" using 5w20
after their first oil change

Personally I feel more confident running the 5w50 down here in Miami
where temps can reach mid 90's in the summer and that thicker oil
does protect your bearings and rings much better then a thinner oil

Plus if its good enough for the Boss
its good enough for me

The real question is ?
I can live with the ticking
But can the engine ?

Is there any damage wearing into critical componets ?
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Personal Experience, Im not a track pack, but on my 13 i did have ticking when i did 5w50 by the dealer, they got confused, i had ticking the same night, changed to 5w20, went away after 5 min of driving
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Track pack is built for hot lapping. 5w 50 compliments the larger radiator and engine oil cooler. You also get a Torsen rear diff. Granted, no oil circulates to/from the diff, but this underscores the purpose of your daily driver.

I don't think there is a conspiracy. Th boss has forged heads and a different exhaust to compliment the 'special' tune.

I have a track pack and got the ProCal. That tune amped up the car, so if I already had a special tune in there, it definitely sucked.

---------- Post added at 07:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:45 AM ----------

Oh, ticking... Not good and not normal. I can't diagnose it for you, but if it happens again I would suggest throwing a **** fit at the dealer
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Start racing that puppy and driving it hard lol, i also have a track pack and i am one of the people that track their cars the most on here and i still dont do with 5w50, i personally run 5w30 and never had any problems with it.
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Wow thats amazing. Ford Probally Knows This, but has a real hard time doing a TSB by just changing the OIL ? Iam Sure They Scan all The Forums and have had to pick up on this themselves ? It does defy logic however when you think that the Cam tensioner relies on oil pressure to properly do its thing and that the Thicker oil would insure More Pressure. This is so Baffaling !
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Howdy, Just Got My 2013 Trackpak Gt

And of Course , Iam writing because its TICKING
with just 2000 miles ? And was broken in correctly and responsibly, havent even seen over 100mph in it
and NOT one drag race, Just an occasional blast in 2nd and 3rd after 200 miles to properly break in the rings and seat the crank bearings, Mainly just highway miles

Iam hearing its the Cam phasers ? or Chain Tensioner
So what has Ford done to eliviate this to prevent Gt owners from
coming back every 2000 miles and requesting another set.

But a real good question prior to this is
Why do ONLY the Trackpak cars have the same 5w50 oil as the Boss ?

Are there goodies down below in the Block that Ford wont devulge to prevent a negative sales effect on their more costly Boss Cousins ?

Great Question Right ?
Rumor down here is the Trackpak cars get the same flash Tune as
the Ford Racing Power Packs and that Ford does a CYA with the Thicker Oil.


But It still ticks ? Any Suggestions changing to Ams oil has been already discounted by Ford Themselves

Throw me a Bone


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Press that puppy to the floor a few good times. I broke mine in correctly also, and I don't have many miles on it. I drive 30 on average, and on the weekends I hual @$$. I have the same setup from the factory and no ticking or any funnny stuff for mine. Maybe you should kick some dust at the dealership and get some real answers to go with your questions. You can always call or write ford and they will respond to you with advice.
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If you live in a hot climate like Florida I would suggest 10w-30. I use Amsoil 10w-30 but my car is a Spring/Summer car only. Just like others said 5w-50 is recommended in the track pack for what Ford deems the intended usage. But you can use anything between 5w-20 and 5w-50. Whatever you feel is right for your car/usage.
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Thanks for everyones help here
But I think iam about to start my own reality TV Show with whats going on with This Mustang and Ford


The Car was taken in 3 days ago to do a check on the cam phasers and tensioners, and checked out Fine. Now Ford is telling them to make sure the Bolts for the AC compressor are tight, knowing it ticks when the AC is OFF and only when the Car is Running Hot, What the Hell does that have to do with an Ac compressor ? And To Make matters worse if that checks out , Ford has suggested that the Techs working on the car, Start snooping around the CRANKShaft area for NOISE

Theres NO WAY this could be a Crank Bearing
Ive never heard of ANY Stock GT having issues down there
even with aftermarket tunes and exhaust

Most Stangs cook at #8 cylinder due to overheating from an overdone tune ,smoke ,cough and do all kinds of preliminary stuff
But NEVER The Crank , Even Supercharged

Am I the First GT owner getting THE SHAFT from a faulty Bottom end ?



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Here is a link to a good discussion we have going regarding oil. Troy (UnleashedBeast) is a very respectable guy and an engineer himself and is very knowledgeable about this topic. All this is backed up with some graphs and some really good info.
Official GT 5.0/Boss 302 UOA thread - SVTPerformance
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Here is a link to a good discussion we have going regarding oil. Troy (UnleashedBeast) is a very respectable guy and an engineer himself and is very knowledgeable about this topic. All this is backed up with some graphs and some really good info.
Official GT 5.0/Boss 302 UOA thread - SVTPerformance

Hey Thanks, Great Thread

Printing it and showing it to the service manager Monday, before they get their greasy paws on tearing my shortblock apart

Looks like Ford makes Great engines, But Crappy Oil

Of course Ford would never admit that, knowing they would loose a Boat load of Cash if their "Use only genuine Ford oil" new car cutomers knew That $$
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If I had to guess knowing a little about oils and utilizing them day to day. I would venture to say that the 5W50 was upgraded in the track pack due to the air cooled oil cooler. Because they are air cooled the oil gets very little cooling effect during city driving or sitting in traffic, the thicker oil will resist more of the heat and not readily lose its viscosity at higher temps AKA probably has a higher viscosity index. The regular GT has water cooled oil cooler from what I understand, this is beneficial because it can keep the oil well within its temperature range even during city driving or gridlocked traffic. I can post more info if you'd like as I have an Eaton Oils book here, just too lazy to type it out right now.
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If I had to guess knowing a little about oils and utilizing them day to day. I would venture to say that the 5W50 was upgraded in the track pack due to the air cooled oil cooler. Because they are air cooled the oil gets very little cooling effect during city driving or sitting in traffic, the thicker oil will resist more of the heat and not readily lose its viscosity at higher temps AKA probably has a higher viscosity index. The regular GT has water cooled oil cooler from what I understand, this is beneficial because it can keep the oil well within its temperature range even during city driving or gridlocked traffic. I can post more info if you'd like as I have an Eaton Oils book here, just too lazy to type it out right now.
What grabber blue posted had some interesting info on the 5W50 at how bad it is. Lotta people recommending 10w30-40 instead.
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Looks like Ford makes Great engines, But Crappy Oil

Of course Ford would never admit that
Ford Motorcraft oil is average at best. But the bottle sure is pretty.
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What grabber blue posted had some interesting info on the 5W50 at how bad it is. Lotta people recommending 10w30-40 instead.
I wouldn't use 5w-50 personally. The point I'm trying to make is there are a variety of weight oils we can use. It depends on climate and usage along with some other factors. What is right for one may not be for another. But to have guys say these motors were built for 5w-20 because of the tolerances are just not true. Tolerances have not changed at all much over the years.
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Ok' Well hers the latest

Compressor bolts as recommened by Ford were were checked for tightning, Their fine (duhh)

The they ran the car for 2 HOURS at idle With The AC ON
And NO Ticking

Why, Because it was 55 degrees outside today
and, Not the normal Miami 85 plus Sauna box

So I told the Service manager Dude, Change the Fricken oil
to 5 w30. And he replies, I'll loose my warranty because its not the recommended oil that ford put in

Ill find out tomorrow where this is heading ?

I should of bought a Focus ST
This is NOT Fun !
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Really sorry to hear this. My dealer said the same about filling with the weight on the cap only. Maybe stomp on it a while then start your own oil changes. You can't lose warranty by doing your own work. Switch back to 50 if u have an issue and need to go back in
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Solution! But a oil cap on eBay for the weight you want and slap it on there! Or just put a billet cover over it!
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Solution! But a oil cap on eBay for the weight you want and slap it on there! Or just put a billet cover over it!
Well that sounds somewhat ok ?
But the FIRST Thing Ford did was run my Vin #
and it came up 2013 GT Mustang Track pak
So theyll know it takes 5w50

And right after that, they pluged the Flash Reader in it
stating that the first thing they were looking for was an aftermarket tune.

"Quote " by the Service Manager
You can hide the CAI by putting the old one back
But You Cant Hide the Tune
The Hard drive stores it permantly
and well find it.
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Well that sounds somewhat ok ?
But the FIRST Thing Ford did was run my Vin #
and it came up 2013 GT Mustang Track pak
So theyll know it takes 5w50

And right after that, they pluged the Flash Reader in it
stating that the first thing they were looking for was an aftermarket tune.

"Quote " by the Service Manager
You can hide the CAI by putting the old one back
But You Cant Hide the Tune
The Hard drive stores it permantly
and well find it.
The guy sounds like a real ****head
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Well that sounds somewhat ok ?
But the FIRST Thing Ford did was run my Vin #
and it came up 2013 GT Mustang Track pak
So theyll know it takes 5w50

And right after that, they pluged the Flash Reader in it
stating that the first thing they were looking for was an aftermarket tune.

"Quote " by the Service Manager
You can hide the CAI by putting the old one back
But You Cant Hide the Tune
The Hard drive stores it permantly
and well find it.
If that's the first thing they're looking for, you need to find another dealer, one that isn't out to screw you. I just changed mine due to their incompetence.
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Well that sounds somewhat ok ?
But the FIRST Thing Ford did was run my Vin #
and it came up 2013 GT Mustang Track pak
So theyll know it takes 5w50

And right after that, they pluged the Flash Reader in it
stating that the first thing they were looking for was an aftermarket tune.

"Quote " by the Service Manager
You can hide the CAI by putting the old one back
But You Cant Hide the Tune
The Hard drive stores it permantly
and well find it.
Whoa. Maybe they have to do this, it is protocol or something, but I don't think being a dik about it is part of the standard policy. Find another dealer right away bro. Also, they will call for a survey. Burn that piece of **** on the survey.
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Whoa. Maybe they have to do this, it is protocol or something, but I don't think being a dik about it is part of the standard policy. Find another dealer right away bro. Also, they will call for a survey. Burn that piece of **** on the survey.
I've never been to a ford dealership that acted like that, been too three big ones around here.

They sound like ******** who enjoy having power over others. No matter how it looks.
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That's a little ridiculous, my dealer is awesome, I've been going to them since I bought my 01 Ranger, all of my cars have been tuned and they don't care! But I'm under the impression that they can't necessarily sniff out a tune, it shouldn't reset the main timer in the computer like on the camaros and the computer doesn't have enough memory to save all of the tunes.
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That's a little ridiculous, my dealer is awesome, I've been going to them since I bought my 01 Ranger, all of my cars have been tuned and they don't care! But I'm under the impression that they can't necessarily sniff out a tune, it shouldn't reset the main timer in the computer like on the camaros and the computer doesn't have enough memory to save all of the tunes.
Techs at dealers won't look that deep into the tune... If an issue is serious that they have to bring engineers from Ford, then their the ones that can look that deep in... I think your good returning to stock and removing your CAI
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Well Fortunately My GT is Bone Stock


But I will admit that there's a crapload of GT owners down here
That CIA, Tune, and Catback with less then 200 miles on their cars and return back to the dealers 6 months later with the infamous
Fix My Car Bro!


They beat the crap out of them down here and in 90 degree plus weather. Remember theres No Snow or Winters down here
So its always street time 24/7. Engines never rest in Miami


Plus, I pretty sure Fords Not so keen on having their Ford Racing Power Pack profits cut into by aftermarket tunes $
Which usually bypass the knock sensors to give the added HP
but also cook cylinders and bottem ends while doing it.

So i dont blame Ford or the dealers for the skeptism


The problem here is the common sense approach, like just change the fricken oil, is not status quo. Ford seems to go thru this long drawn out process to establish their in charge and this dealer
is not sticking their neck out otherwise.
So the wait continues


But thats ok
Iam currently driving a rental that gets 35 mpg on regular
vs the GT's measley 17 mpg (driven with a little fun) but mostly highway miles, sucking 93 octane at $4.15 a gallon and climbing

Iam not sure i want it back (lol)



Basically Ford fiqures if you want to Haul *** under warranty
Youll buy a Boss or Shelby


But Anything past a Ford Racing Tune on a GT
will put you in the dog house with their Warranty Department
Some dealers might look the other way,


But the Majority are
BUYER BEWARE $$$$


But of course ,Once the Warranty Expires.
Then its PARTY TIME . Ill buy every aftermarket Part
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If you are complaining about MPG you purchased the wrong car.
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If you are complaining about MPG you purchased the wrong car.
Not complaining at all
Its not the Mustangs fault, gas has gone up 50 cents since I bought it $$

But Iam concerned that $5 a gallon is just a few months away

But thats cool
Ive already asked the general manager at my dealership
if I already need a new engine at only 2000 miles
I'am gving my GT back, and then said, What are you going to do with all those unsold Boss 302's
you still have sitiing around ?


He Repiled if their still here by the summer
because of Higher gas prices

I'll sell you one at OUR COST ! $3000 below sticker and trade yours in at full price


Now that ill drive at $5 a gallon and eat only mac and cheese for life !! lol



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Heres the Latest on the most popular soap opera as
" The Stang Burns "

According to FORD they will Not Change the oil to verify any viscosity advantages that might remove :The Tick


According to Ford the Secret additive that nobody at this dealership can purchase from Ford without authorization from Ford is currently not being offered and therefore the current factory oil with the additive MUST stay in the engine for 5000 miles, ( funny, my sales rep never told me that ) before being removed. So let me get this straight, Your telling me, I might have a blown shortblock making the Tick, if the cam phasers and chain tensioner are good, But I have to put 5000 miles on the engine, before we can change the oil to see if its not blown *


I need a Drink !
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...at some point your going to go to a different dealer.

Right now it just seems like you like drama. Two dealers by me would never do that. I take my tuned car with O/R X and everything there for oil changes and checkup and neither one has cared at all.
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