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Old 02-27-2013, 10:02 AM   #1
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adding brembo?

I autocross 3 to 4 a year. Mainly vir. Im upgrading the brakes to my. 2011 gt auto coupe and wanted to know if i needed anything esle. The kit is strait off american muscle.com. so it includes caliper/pads/front/rear/rotors/brake lines. Any other good ideals when changing the system. I can only think of one and that is new brake fuild and later upgrading the pads. Any advise is welcome. Just trying to get a heads up on what a shop might try to hit me up for.
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Have u looked at other brands other than brembos, i have a 13 track pack and i will soon be swapping my brembos for 6 piston stoptech on all four corners.
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I autocross 3 to 4 a year. Mainly vir. Im upgrading the brakes to my. 2011 gt auto coupe and wanted to know if i needed anything esle. The kit is strait off american muscle.com. so it includes caliper/pads/front/rear/rotors/brake lines. Any other good ideals when changing the system. I can only think of one and that is new brake fuild and later upgrading the pads. Any advise is welcome. Just trying to get a heads up on what a shop might try to hit me up for.
Honestly the brembo upgrade is pretty expensive for what you get. There are other kits out there for less money that will yield better results. Honestly a good pad upgrade will help quite a bit, like some hawk hps pads.

I would look into dot4 brake fluid too. Higher boiling point than dot 3
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Honestly the brembo upgrade is pretty expensive for what you get. There are other kits out there for less money that will yield better results. Honestly a good pad upgrade will help quite a bit, like some hawk hps pads.

I would look into dot4 brake fluid too. Higher boiling point than dot 3
I disagree, if you have driven a brembo car you can easily tell the difference. The stock brembos with hawk pads and fluid really perform good, i track the car quite a bit and dont have any complains and running with other base 5.0 you can easily out preform them even if they got aftermarket pads and fluid and rotors.

They are worth the $$ but if you are spending the money just get something even better like stoptech 6 piston for just a little more.
The most complement i get on my car is for the red brembos.
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I disagree, if you have driven a brembo car you can easily tell the difference. The stock brembos with hawk pads and fluid really perform good, i track the car quite a bit and dont have any complains and running with other base 5.0 you can easily out preform them even if they got aftermarket pads and fluid and rotors.

They are worth the $$ but if you are spending the money just get something even better like stoptech 6 piston for just a little more.
The most complement i get on my car is for the red brembos.
You pretty much said what I said lol. I never said the brembos don't work, just that you can have better performing brakes for less.
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You pretty much said what I said lol. I never said the brembos don't work, just that you can have better performing brakes for less.
I dont think for less, the brembo kit is 1100$ that is pretty cheap, but for 1900$ you could get stoptech or baer.
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I dont think for less, the brembo kit is 1100$ that is pretty cheap, but for 1900$ you could get stoptech or baer.
The Roush kit (421457) is essentially the Stoptech 4 piston 1 PC 14" kit and is cheaper ( $1799 on stage3motorsports)... They occasionally have sales too... I got mine for 1599.
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He doesn't have to upgrade the entire braking system to have significantly better stopping power. A simple pad/fluid/rotor upgrade should do the trick
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He doesn't have to upgrade the entire braking system to have significantly better stopping power. A simple pad/fluid/rotor upgrade should do the trick
From personal experience YES!
I see them at the track and even guys with full bolt on finish behind me just because of the braking performance on my car is so much superior. They have pad, fluid and rotors and that still doesnt do the trick for a whole day of track driving.
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Ive seen alot of brake kits..mostly @2 grand not interested. I also have svt 18' wheels for clearance purposes. My other mods during this time will also be the boss quad ehaust with gt500 mufflers. So price is a big thing. I like doing the best band for the buck kinda of thing. I guess that why i keep buying mustangs. I might forgo the brake kit for a full suspenion and pad upgrade. The car has 48000 miles on it. 95% highway. Hawk pads seems to be the pads to go with from manu forums. Ill have to research all the differant prices and see what i can get the most out of. Car is stock eng wise for now.
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Also are the rotors from the brembo kit the same as the ones that are currently on the standard mustang?
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If youre tracking, I highly recommend switching to DOT4. Heard good things about Carbotech pads, but no experience yet. The techs there seem pretty knowledgable, though. Hurry up, spring!
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Also are the rotors from the brembo kit the same as the ones that are currently on the standard mustang?
No brembos are 14 inch rotors
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From personal experience YES!
I see them at the track and even guys with full bolt on finish behind me just because of the braking performance on my car is so much superior. They have pad, fluid and rotors and that still doesnt do the trick for a whole day of track driving.
I think you're drinking the kool-aid a little much. I know that braking can cause vastly different track times. But it's a pretty bold statement to make to say that people are losing to you strictly due to braking capabilities. To say that would mean that all 5.0 mustangs you beat have non-OEM brembo brakes and that and that you beat all mustangs that have non OEM brembos.
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The stoptech kit is much better than the FRPP brembo kit which brembo will not offer outside of Ford. Its much better than the stock OEM non-brembo kit but these hit up pretty quick and if you want to run a round longer than 10 minutes you'll see major brake fad. But you can eliminate those issues with DOT4 fluid, better brake pads, stainless lines and most importantly brake ducts. You'll actually see more benefit from a brake duct kit than anything else.
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The stoptech kit is much better than the FRPP brembo kit which brembo will not offer outside of Ford. Its much better than the stock OEM non-brembo kit but these hit up pretty quick and if you want to run a round longer than 10 minutes you'll see major brake fad. But you can eliminate those issues with DOT4 fluid, better brake pads, stainless lines and most importantly brake ducts. You'll actually see more benefit from a brake duct kit than anything else.
Really? Ducts were going to be my last braking upgrade.
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Really? Ducts were going to be my last braking upgrade.
They keep the brakes cool, brake fade happens because your brakes and brake fluid overheat
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They keep the brakes cool, brake fade happens because your brakes and brake fluid overheat
Yeah, but I just figured fluid, calipers and pads would each improve braking more than ducts. Im not arguing, just surprised.
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Yeah, the brake ducts make a HUGE impact on the performance of the brakes.
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Do most after market rotors not rust like the stock basic GT rotors do?

They like instant rust when it rains. Which looks bad. I don't really have any issues braking currenty with my driving habits but I'd easily upgrade them without much thought it they don't rust as fast or at all.
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Yeah, the brake ducts make a HUGE impact on the performance of the brakes.
Okay, they're moving up on my list!

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Do most after market rotors not rust like the stock basic GT rotors do?

They like instant rust when it rains. Which looks bad. I don't really have any issues braking currenty with my driving habits but I'd easily upgrade them without much thought it they don't rust as fast or at all.
I wipe down my rotors when I clean my wheels and have very little rust after 10 months of ownership, non-garaged.
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Okay, they're moving up on my list!


I wipe down my rotors when I clean my wheels and have very little rust after 10 months of ownership, non-garaged.
well they don't look like they have rust on them after driving them. But initially when I walk out to the car after saying it rained all night, the rotors look rusted. Had this happen when i was installing my shocks and struts, took the wheels off and the whole rotor was rused looking on the side the pads clamp down on.



this is literally what mine look like, then driving the pads scrap all the rust dust off and they look normal.
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This last summer I upgraded my rotors, pads, fluid, and stainless lines. Noticed a big difference in braking. But I have also seen were break ducts make a big difference too.
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Sooo, will you be selling your current GT brakes? Lol. I may be interested in acquiring them if you do upgrade.
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Always willing to sell extra mustang parts. Make an offer. Ill get back to you after i put the new brakes on.
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I think you're drinking the kool-aid a little much. I know that braking can cause vastly different track times. But it's a pretty bold statement to make to say that people are losing to you strictly due to braking capabilities. To say that would mean that all 5.0 mustangs you beat have non-OEM brembo brakes and that and that you beat all mustangs that have non OEM brembos.
Obviously you never been to the road course!
The hp don't matter if your brakes over heat and fade after 5 laps, at homestead speedway brakes are very important because there are 100mph+ turns follow by 30mph turn in just a couple of yards.
I never said all 5.0, just the ones I have been at the track with. They pull a lead in the first 3 laps and then they just get SLOWER and SLOWER and then I can keep up and eventually over take them on the front straight turn and keep in front.

Edit: I also have brake ducts and they make a big difference
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Obviously you never been to the road course!
The hp don't matter if your brakes over heat and fade after 5 laps, at homestead speedway brakes are very important because there are 100mph+ turns follow by 30mph turn in just a couple of yards.
I never said all 5.0, just the ones I have been at the track with. They pull a lead in the first 3 laps and then they just get SLOWER and SLOWER and then I can keep up and eventually over take them on the front straight turn and keep in front.

Edit: I also have brake ducts and they make a big difference
You made it sound as though stock brembos were all you had and you were beating people with upgraded stock braking systems. It's been said over and over on this thread now that brembos are not necessary and neither is spending lots of money. You're right I've never raced on a road course. I don't have to to have an understanding of how braking and driving and racing work. Even big brakes and big rotors will fade. I never once said the hp was why you were winning either. You aren't reading what I've posted. Reread it then you may try to debate (unsuccessfully of course) once again
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You made it sound as though stock brembos were all you had and you were beating people with upgraded stock braking systems. It's been said over and over on this thread now that brembos are not necessary and neither is spending lots of money. You're right I've never raced on a road course. I don't have to to have an understanding of how braking and driving and racing work. Even big brakes and big rotors will fade. I never once said the hp was why you were winning either. You aren't reading what I've posted. Reread it then you may try to debate (unsuccessfully of course) once again
Just go to a road course and experience it your self and them lets continue the topic,
Edit: I have hp plus pad, racing fluid and LS brake cooling ducks
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Just go to a road course and experience it your self and them lets continue the topic,
Edit: I have hp plus pad, racing fluid and LS brake cooling ducks
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Just go to a road course and experience it your self and them lets continue the topic,
Edit: I have hp plus pad, racing fluid and LS brake cooling ducks
So how can you even say that the stock brembos are so much better when you don't have stock brembos. I don't have to be some mystical road course racer to know how braking systems work or know about them. I've done plenty of research of my own (not just listening to people on forums) to know about these things. I'm sorry if you cannot for some reason understand that but back to the original point. You can have better brakes than the STOCK BREMBOS (which you do not race with) for less money. You've even proven my point.
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I wouldn't mess with grabberblue5.0, he knows his stuff!
I wouldn't say I know every thing, but I always ensure I'm not talking out of my *** lol
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I wouldn't mess with grabberblue5.0, he knows his stuff!
I am not messing but just putting out there my personal experience and not just something I read on an article in the Internet.

---------- Post added at 10:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:18 PM ----------

Well stock or upgraded brembos SUCK compare to the zr1 that also ran with us, the carbon ceramic are just amazing how late all his braking points were with zero fade. But they do cost around 14k
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I am not messing but just putting out there my personal experience and not just something I read on an article in the Internet.
I think you're right, it's probably all of this stuff I've read on the Internet. It has nothing to do with the 1000's of hours I have working on and with cars or the countless hours I've spent at race tracks usually just drag racing but not road racing, the hours i spend researching on places other than forums or anything to do with my engineering degree in progress. Nor does it have anything to do with talking with countless enthusiasts about how things performed. All the information I share is a culmination of the things I read in your posts and every other Internet smart dude/badass. I'm not a road racer so information I pass has no true merit I guess.

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Well stock or upgraded brembos SUCK compare to the zr1 that also ran with us, the carbon ceramic are just amazing how late all his braking points were with zero fade. But they do cost around 14k
Now you're just side stepping our debate because you have nothing more worth while to contribute and trying to divert everyone's attention to more powerful, more expensive cars with exponentially more expensive braking systems.

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I think you're right, it's probably all of this stuff I've read on the Internet. It has nothing to do with the 1000's of hours I have working on and with cars or the countless hours I've spent at race tracks usually just drag racing but not road racing, the hours i spend researching on places other than forums or anything to do with my engineering degree in progress. Nor does it have anything to do with talking with countless enthusiasts about how things performed. All the information I share is a culmination of the things I read in your posts and every other Internet smart dude/badass. I'm not a road racer so information I pass has no true merit I guess.

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