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Old 02-28-2013, 03:06 AM   #1
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Suspension..What Im I missing?

Tokico D Spec Shocks and Strut
1 inch ford racing springs
Bmr Panhard Bar
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Bmr lca bracket
Ford racing front and rear sway bars
.....gt500 mount or steeda hd mounts, cant decide help!
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Tokico D Spec Shocks and Strut
1 inch ford racing springs
Bmr Panhard Bar
Bmr lca
Bmr lca bracket
Ford racing front and rear sway bars
.....gt500 mount or steeda hd mounts, cant decide help!
koni shocks and struts instead of the others.

gt500 mount

BMR UCA too along with bracket

also stop posting a friggin boatload of posts asking the same questions. One friggin thread is all you need.
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koni shocks and struts instead of the others.

gt500 mount

BMR UCA too along with bracket

also stop posting a friggin boatload of posts asking the same questions. One friggin thread is all you need.
I promise you that if everyone just agreed on one thing i wouldve purchase the suspension long time ago and wouldnt ask so many damn times, for example, why koni? Everyone says tokico and koni, but i made my decision on tokico as of a while ago, i just want my car to squeal without the correct mount
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The gt500 mounts and the Steeda mounts are very different. The gt500 mounts will be just fine and have less nvh than the stock mounts, but the Steeda mounts are also CC plates. Which is very different. I would get the gt500 mounts and call it a day UNLESS you track the car or you're going VERY low. Also do not forget you uca with tq mount.
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The gt500 mounts and the Steeda mounts are very different. The gt500 mounts will be just fine and have less nvh than the stock mounts, but the Steeda mounts are also CC plates. Which is very different. I would get the gt500 mounts and call it a day UNLESS you track the car or you're going VERY low. Also do not forget you uca with tq mount.
Tq mount?
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The gt500 mounts and the Steeda mounts are very different. The gt500 mounts will be just fine and have less nvh than the stock mounts, but the Steeda mounts are also CC plates. Which is very different. I would get the gt500 mounts and call it a day UNLESS you track the car or you're going VERY low. Also do not forget you uca with tq mount.
Did you uca mount?

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How can i get all the precise torque pressure to all the parts im installing, does the manual explain?
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"also stop posting a friggin boatload of posts asking the same questions. One friggin thread is all you need."
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Did you uca mount?

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How can i get all the precise torque pressure to all the parts im installing, does the manual explain?
Yes the torque mount is the mount for the uca. Most companies install instructions that include tq specs.
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Did you uca mount?

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How can i get all the precise torque pressure to all the parts im installing, does the manual explain?
Yes he means the UCA mount, it's technically called the torque mount. And no, your manual will not provide you with any useful torque specs. Contact the manufactures of the parts or search on google for factory torque specs.
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All the questions in the world will not make your car perfect. I understand your trying to learn thru others experiences and knowledge, but just because you read it on the Internet does not make it true. Your shopping for the same answers the people your asking the questions to once asked, over and over again. At the end if the day you have to man up, bite the bullet, and commit to something. It more than obvious at this point that no matter what you purchase you will second guess yourself and read another comment or thread that will have you questioning why you did A,B, and C. Over the life of your car, just like many others, parts will come and go. Remember, what works for some, doesn't work for others. Make up your own mind for once, and at the end of the day, if it all works out. You'll be left with a overwhelming sense of pride that you built your car. Not a bunch of nerds from the Internet. Good luck!
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I did H&R springs, then moved on to BMR. BMR are amazing. Bilstein dampers are good, I have no strong opinion on them, but they work
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Sent you a PM brother, Koni's are going on sale tomorrow for 616 shipped for yellows and 329.23 shipped for Koni STR.t.
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I promise you that if everyone just agreed on one thing i wouldve purchase the suspension long time ago and wouldnt ask so many damn times, for example, why koni? Everyone says tokico and koni, but i made my decision on tokico as of a while ago, i just want my car to squeal without the correct mount
if you hadn't posted 4 threads within like 5 mins of each other all asking the same thing and also acting annoyed people didn't jump to attention and answer you immediately at 4 in the morning EST I would have given you a better response.

I also agree with the others that at this point you won't be happy with anything you do and whatever you choose you will be back on here complaining about something.

Please, pick something, and just buy it.

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All the questions in the world will not make your car perfect. I understand your trying to learn thru others experiences and knowledge, but just because you read it on the Internet does not make it true. Your shopping for the same answers the people your asking the questions to once asked, over and over again. At the end if the day you have to man up, bite the bullet, and commit to something. It more than obvious at this point that no matter what you purchase you will second guess yourself and read another comment or thread that will have you questioning why you did A,B, and C. Over the life of your car, just like many others, parts will come and go. Remember, what works for some, doesn't work for others. Make up your own mind for once, and at the end of the day, if it all works out. You'll be left with a overwhelming sense of pride that you built your car. Not a bunch of nerds from the Internet. Good luck!
this is the comment I was referring too, perfectly said Smozilla
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this is the comment I was referring too, perfectly said Smozilla
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Ford racing front and rear sway bars
.....gt500 mount or steeda hd mounts, cant decide help!
Koni Sport Struts & Shocks... 2011-2014 specific model Struts are available... this route can be used with the stock strut mounts or the Steeda HD Strut Mounts(2011-2014 version).

I wanted Koni "Yellows" from the beginning, but wanted the 2011+ specific struts... purchased Tokico D-Specs thinking they had the 2011+ spec struts from a vendor. I was wrong(a spacer was supplied in package for fitment). Eventually, Koni released the 2011+ spec struts... sold the D-Specs... got the Koni's, and I'm a happy camper.

Look into an Upper Control Arm and 3rd Link Bracket...

BE ADVISED : UCA and LCA will most likely add some NVH(harder bushings). Include a few torque-to-yield(one-time use) nuts and bolts that you will have to remove when changing out dampers to be on the safe side, I guess.
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I picked up the 05-10 version of the konis for the sole purpose of being able to buy the GT500 strut mounts. They're much better than the stock crap on the 11+
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I picked up the 05-10 version of the konis for the sole purpose of being able to buy the GT500 strut mounts. They're much better than the stock crap on the 11+
I'm sure the GT500 Strut Mounts are better, but I opted for the 11-14 version Koni Struts in order to use Steeda's 2011+ HD Strut Mounts for its strength, build quality, and a little free play with camber adjustability. It's just what route I wanted to go.
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I picked up the 05-10 version of the konis for the sole purpose of being able to buy the GT500 strut mounts. They're much better than the stock crap on the 11+
I was amazed how bad they were when I took mine off. Really quite bad.
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Does anybody happen to know exactly why the stock struts are as bad as there are? When I took mine off I could figure out who would come up with the design of putting little ball bearings in the struts and think that was a good idea.

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How were the 2005-2010 OEM GT Strut Mounts? Were they similar, yet different, to the GT500 units?
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Does anybody happen to know exactly why the stock struts are as bad as there are? When I took mine off I could figure out who would come up with the design of putting little ball bearings in the struts and think that was a good idea.

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I reused those with the Maximum Motorsports Caster Camber plates and that combo is far better than the stock strut mount with that piece.
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I reused those with the Maximum Motorsports Caster Camber plates and that combo is far better than the stock strut mount with that piece.
Similar to what is needed for the Steeda HD Strut Mount... required to use the bottom section of the OEM Strut Mount assembly(without the ball bearings). Works very well. Maximum Motorsports CC plates were a very serious option for me, but I decided that I didn't require the extra adjustability options for my 1" spring drop.
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This is a great setup list made by one of the guys over at Torq Speedlab with lots of experience with racing and modding. He suggested I use these since he says he has gone through trial and error with many parts.

Koni Yellow Adjustable Shocks & Struts 555-8215 - Steeda Mustang Sport Springs (ford Mustang 2005-2012)
FOR-M-18183-C - Ford Racing 2005-2012 Mustang Front Strut Mount Upgrade (pair)
Bmr Lower Control Arms, Boxed, Dom, Non- adjustable, Polyurethane Bushings
CAB005 - Bmr Control Arm Relocation Bracket
555-4027 - Steeda Upper Chassis Mount For 3rd Link - 11-13
555-4098 - Steeda Upper Control Arm - 05-13 555-2551 - Steeda Mustang Street Adjustable Panhard Bar - 05-13
555-1072 - Steeda Mustang Adjustable Swaybar Kit
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I got this list from one of the guys over at Torq Speedlab. He has a lot of racing and modding experience and has gone through trial and error to see which setup works best, this is what he recommends.

555-4027 - Steeda Upper Chassis Mount For 3rd Link - 11-13
555-4098 - Steeda Upper Control Arm - 05-13 555-2551 - Steeda Mustang Street Adjustable Panhard Bar - 05-13
555-1072 - Steeda Mustang Adjustable Swaybar Kit
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Koni Yellow Adjustable Shocks & Struts 555-8215 - Steeda Mustang Sport Springs (ford Mustang 2005-2012)
FOR-M-18183-C - Ford Racing 2005-2012 Mustang Front Strut Mount Upgrade (pair)
Bmr Lower Control Arms, Boxed, Dom, Non- adjustable, Polyurethane Bushings
CAB005 - Bmr Control Arm Relocation Brackets.

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Similar to what is needed for the Steeda HD Strut Mount... required to use the bottom section of the OEM Strut Mount assembly(without the ball bearings). Works very well. Maximum Motorsports CC plates were a very serious option for me, but I decided that I didn't require the extra adjustability options for my 1" spring drop.
yeah I looked at the Steeda but with my 1.7" in the front and 2.4" in the back I had to have the bigger adjustments.
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This is a great setup list made by one of the guys over at Torq Speedlab with lots of experience with racing and modding. He suggested I use these since he says he has gone through trial and error with many parts.

Koni Yellow Adjustable Shocks & Struts 555-8215 - Steeda Mustang Sport Springs (ford Mustang 2005-2012)
FOR-M-18183-C - Ford Racing 2005-2012 Mustang Front Strut Mount Upgrade (pair)
Bmr Lower Control Arms, Boxed, Dom, Non- adjustable, Polyurethane Bushings
CAB005 - Bmr Control Arm Relocation Bracket
555-4027 - Steeda Upper Chassis Mount For 3rd Link - 11-13
555-4098 - Steeda Upper Control Arm - 05-13 555-2551 - Steeda Mustang Street Adjustable Panhard Bar - 05-13
555-1072 - Steeda Mustang Adjustable Swaybar Kit
AR3Z-16A200-A - Boss 302 Strut Tower Brace (05-13 Gt, V6)
Yup i went three shops and your right on the money! I feel happy about my choices, will post my final order tomorrow when i get all the pricing
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Similar to what is needed for the Steeda HD Strut Mount... required to use the bottom section of the OEM Strut Mount assembly(without the ball bearings). Works very well. Maximum Motorsports CC plates were a very serious option for me, but I decided that I didn't require the extra adjustability options for my 1" spring drop.
If you remove the bearing how is the shock able to turn?

I removed the bearing by mistake on my shock and the spring was poping when I turned the steering wheel. Had to order new mount and use the bearing with the MM/CC plates.
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Yup i went three shops and your right on the money! I feel happy about my choices, will post my final order tomorrow when i get all the pricing
Why don't you just get sponsored like your friend McQueen? Then you wouldn't have to pay for a thing.
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If you remove the bearing how is the shock able to turn?

I removed the bearing by mistake on my shock and the spring was poping when I turned the steering wheel. Had to order new mount and use the bearing with the MM/CC plates.
Yeah I don't get how you'd use it without the ball bearings, the MM CC plates required this and so is exactly how I used them. No noise and they are rock solid. I even had to take the whole %#&*( thing apart today to cut the bump stops because I am an idiot and didn't and they went back together without a hitch and no popping still.

Now that I did that I am getting the car aligned tomorrow!
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Yeah I don't get how you'd use it without the ball bearings, the MM CC plates required this and so is exactly how I used them. No noise and they are rock solid. I even had to take the whole %#&*( thing apart today to cut the bump stops because I am an idiot and didn't and they went back together without a hitch and no popping still.

Now that I did that I am getting the car aligned tomorrow!
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If you remove the bearing how is the shock able to turn?

I removed the bearing by mistake on my shock and the spring was poping when I turned the steering wheel. Had to order new mount and use the bearing with the MM/CC plates.
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Yeah I don't get how you'd use it without the ball bearings, the MM CC plates required this and so is exactly how I used them. No noise and they are rock solid. I even had to take the whole %#&*( thing apart today to cut the bump stops because I am an idiot and didn't and they went back together without a hitch and no popping still.

Now that I did that I am getting the car aligned tomorrow!
The Steeda HD Strut Mount uses the bottom section of the OEM strut mount similar to MM CC Plates, but unlike the Maximum Motorsports unit it DOES NOT re-use those OEM bearings... "Comes with a fully caged 70mm diameter 7200lb capacity needle roller bearing for long life and incredible strength. Triple sealed to keep out dirt and water."

No popping whatsoever and is rock solid.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:58 AM   #32
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yeah I looked at the Steeda but with my 1.7" in the front and 2.4" in the back I had to have the bigger adjustments.
Now, that is a serious drop! I wish I could go that far, but roads here are extremely bad. I've scraped the FRPP Trans Cooling Scoop, once, coming out of a bank parking lot... numerous touchdowns to the Boss 302 front splitter.
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The Steeda HD Strut Mount uses the bottom section of the OEM strut mount similar to MM CC Plates, but unlike the Maximum Motorsports unit it DOES NOT re-use those OEM bearings... "Comes with a fully caged 70mm diameter 7200lb capacity needle roller bearing for long life and incredible strength. Triple sealed to keep out dirt and water."

No popping whatsoever and is rock solid.
So which one doesn't use the factory OEM mount? I was forced to reuse the OEM mounts and still don't know which of these 2 I should get... Obviously the GT500 didn't work for me... Which would u recommend? Steeda or MM??
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Why don't you just get sponsored like your friend McQueen? Then you wouldn't have to pay for a thing.
I am, not fully sponsored, and i dont believe he was niether
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I don't believe it either
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