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Old 03-11-2013, 02:48 PM   #36
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I was disappointed at how close to nothing they knew about their vehicles when I went to pickup the new 5.0. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know that the difference between a GT and a V6
Oh, the salesman knows that. His or her sales commission reflects the 7500k plus when sells it. Lmao. That's all most of them know.
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14s are out, saw this in the showroom like 2 weeks ago... See any difference in the guages??
I'm pretty sure they did that in 2013, but I could be wrong.
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I'm pretty sure they did that in 2013, but I could be wrong.
That looks like the gauges in my 2013 GT
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I'm pretty sure they did that in 2013, but I could be wrong.
The reason I pointed it out is because there is a slight difference in the font on the gauges between the 13s and 14s...u know kinda how we see small differences being totally different. An exaggerated example= the average Joe wouldn't see any difference between 10-12 from the 13-14
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2013 gauges... They are both from premium models
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:56 PM   #41
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Plain and simple don't expect all dealers or car salesmen to know all about any one model! Mine did not, it was very odd. However, my 13 has the hash or half marks on the gages, sorry no pic, but the new posted pic of the 14 is much clearer and simple. The 14's have been out for weeks with minor changes from the 13. One I wish I had is with the interior of the door panels.
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I went to my dealer not to long ago, and a sales person is like, u should change ur car for a boss 302, its 40 hp more lol, mind u i have a 13 5.0, and im like really? He just kept going and going, dumb salesman
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I went to my dealer not to long ago, and a sales person is like, u should change ur car for a boss 302, its 40 hp more lol, mind u i have a 13 5.0, and im like really? He just kept going and going, dumb salesman
That's not dumb. I'd take a boss 302 over a 5.0
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That's not dumb. I'd take a boss 302 over a 5.0
Same just for the name, and badging of an authentic Boss 302
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Dealers do not go by KBB. The go by black book. I'm not really surprised, your offer sounds maybe a little low, but you shouldn't have expected more than 22k honestly
Not true at all. I am a dealer and we go off of KBB and NADA. Most dealers around use KBB.
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Not true at all. I am a dealer and we go off of KBB and NADA. Most dealers around use KBB.
That is rare....really rare.
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That is rare....really rare.
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Not true at all. I am a dealer and we go off of KBB and NADA. Most dealers around use KBB.
That's a first for me to hear. I've bought 9 cars in 2 different states and at multiple dealers and have helped many buddies buy cars as well and have shipped the crap out of cars in the past. I have never heard of one dealer that goes by kbb or nada, they all say black book, they all pull it out in front of me lol.

Very rare indeed
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That's a first for me to hear. I've bought 9 cars in 2 different states and at multiple dealers and have helped many buddies buy cars as well and have shipped the crap out of cars in the past. I have never heard of one dealer that goes by kbb or nada, they all say black book, they all pull it out in front of me lol.

Very rare indeed
Well not in Idaho anyways. Most in Idaho and Utah it's KBB. A lot of dealers run black book because they are higher numbers so they can sell their cars for more money. Black book numbers go sky high. And dealer programs of KBB, NADA it black book are different compared to the public.
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Many dealers are selling our cars for mid to high 20's, like I said, kbb means nothing to a dealer. In fact all kbb values are really inflated, not sure how its even still around
Absolutely correct! KBB is a random number. My brother worked for a Dodge dealership and said they just laughed at people who asked for blue book.
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Well not in Idaho anyways. Most in Idaho and Utah it's KBB. A lot of dealers run black book because they are higher numbers so they can sell their cars for more money. Black book numbers go sky high. And dealer programs of KBB, NADA it black book are different compared to the public.
Pleez dude, no way in hell your a dealer. You don't even know what black book is. Black book is what the same car has sold for at auctions in the last week and is updated weekly. The only thing Kbb and nada is used for is establishing a selling price. My father runs a car lot, so I know a little bit about it and it doesn't work the way you say.
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Not saying anyone is wrong or right here, but I was a Finance Manager at a dealership. Used car manager actually had a little black book that had matrices. You could look up the model (each model had its own matrix. You'd then find year and mile range and you had 2 prices to work with for what you'd buy and what you'd sell. New book every quarter I believe, but the book exists.

Nowadays though, dealers can just look at last week's auction. More recent, and takes into account the local market.
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Pleez dude, no way in hell your a dealer. You don't even know what black book is. Black book is what the same car has sold for at auctions in the last week and is updated weekly. The only thing Kbb and nada is used for is establishing a selling price. My father runs a car lot, so I know a little bit about it and it doesn't work the way you say.
I am a dealer you ******. Been in since I was a kid. My dads been doing it over 35 years and I have since I was a kid you dumb ****. Nobody is our area used stupid *** black book. You use black book if you don't know what your talking about or what car your looking at.
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I am a dealer you ******. Been in since I was a kid. My dads been doing it over 35 years and I have since I was a kid you dumb ****. Nobody is our area used stupid *** black book. You use black book if you don't know what your talking about or what car your looking at.
My dealer showed me the trade in for my old Lincoln and the value of the Mustang I was buying with the black book. You guys may not use it, but a hell of a lot of other dealers use it, so chill out. Frankly, if you're not using black book then you obviously don't deal with auctions at all, which is fine, but I haven't dealt with a dealer that doesn't.
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I am a dealer you ******. Been in since I was a kid. My dads been doing it over 35 years and I have since I was a kid you dumb ****. Nobody is our area used stupid *** black book. You use black book if you don't know what your talking about or what car your looking at.
Way to look completely immature and make anything you say going forward on this subject irrelevant as A. You are wrong and B. Calling names because you are wrong removes all credibility.

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I am a dealer you ******. Been in since I was a kid. My dads been doing it over 35 years and I have since I was a kid you dumb ****. Nobody is our area used stupid *** black book. You use black book if you don't know what your talking about or what car your looking at.
Debate is fine, berating and name calling is not. Chill out
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My Acura, Lexus, jeep, Benz, BMW, and one Toyota dealer where I live use black book. The rest I've bought from use kbb. Black book is such a rip off I refuse to trade cars at dealers who use it. Black book said my tundra was worth 18k, kbb said 23k I said "nope, I'm keeping it!"
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located in Riverhead, NY. thats a good price!
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Cheapest I've seen yet.
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If I had the money I'd pick it up on the spot that's pretty cheap compared to the boss 302s around here
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I had a chance to buy a boss for sticker, which was less than 5k over my 5.0. Kicking myself when I see how little depreciation there was on that example
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I had a chance to buy a boss for sticker, which was less than 5k over my 5.0. Kicking myself when I see how little depreciation there was on that example
And with two radically different production years they are going to be worth a good deal down the road.

Downside, they will probably only retain that value completely stock.
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