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Old 05-07-2013, 02:43 PM   #1
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Swap engines in my 2012 GT/CS

I am deploying overseas for a 6 month tour, I have a 2012 GT/CS and am wondering if I could swap the engine out for the 5.4 L Shelby engine, and if so would I have to replace much to accommodate the new engine?
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I am deploying overseas for a 6 month tour, I have a 2012 GT/CS and am wondering if I could swap the engine out for the 5.4 L Shelby engine, and if so would I have to replace much to accommodate the new engine?
Wouldn't be anywheres neer worth it man.
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Wouldn't be anywheres neer worth it man.
I agree, if you want a shelby i say sell this one and save up any spare money for a nice down payment for a shelby.
Or just mod this one up
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The coyote is a better engine also.
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Ok! I was thinking of putting a supercharger in anyway if I wasn't going with 5.4L
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Ok! I was thinking of putting a supercharger in anyway if I wasn't going with 5.4L
Do that instead!
Cheaper for almost the same power.
Would still have a beast in your driveway.
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First off thanks for your service and be safe overseas. Keep your head down and you spirits up.

As far as the motor, it should be a direct swap, or maybe I should say the powertrain is a direct swap. The 5.4 won't bolt up to the mt-82 and the driveshaft won't bolt up to the tr6060.

To do the swap you would need the full long block, transmission, and driveshaft, the rear end will bolt up to the gt500 DS. You will also need the wiring harness. I have seen motors go for as low as 6k but as high as 20k. Then you still have to buy the trans, DS, and wiring harness. It could easily cost you 10-30k in parts.

Me personally, I would just go buy a Shelby
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I wish I can just buy a Shelby ahaha I'm 23 maybe I should save that for my mid life crisis, if it does cost 30K then maybe I should just put a SC in the 5.0 it will still produce 600+HP
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I wish I can just buy a Shelby ahaha I'm 23 maybe I should save that for my mid life crisis, if it does cost 30K then maybe I should just put a SC in the 5.0 it will still produce 600+HP
Exactly.
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If you want to swap get this:

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I was looking at that engine too,looks pretty good and not that bad price either
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The coyote is a better engine also.
The coyote is better than the shelby 5.4L? I'm no expert but I'd say probably not.
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The coyote is better than the shelby 5.4L? I'm no expert but I'd say probably not.
Yes it is.
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The coyote is better than the shelby 5.4L? I'm no expert but I'd say probably not.
Many full bolt on 5.0s run similar track times as 2010-12 gt500s. Your car could probably toast a stock 2012 gt500, but id imagine that Shelby motor could probably handle more power than any stock 5.0 motor could. For the price of a direct swap aluminator @16k and a 5k blower upgrade you could easily reach 850+ rwhp safely which is something a stock Shelby motor won't do long. Not to mention the Shelby drivetrain will set you back $30k before its in the car.

Also, there's a reason that they are making the 2015 gt500s with 5.0s and opting out the 5.8 already. High revving, high output v8s with less displacement are taking over.
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Many full bolt on 5.0s run similar track times as 2010-12 gt500s. Your car could probably toast a stock 2012 gt500, but id imagine that Shelby motor could probably handle more power than any stock 5.0 motor could. For the price of a direct swap aluminator @16k and a 5k blower upgrade you could easily reach 850+ rwhp safely which is something a stock Shelby motor won't do long. Not to mention the Shelby drivetrain will set you back $30k before its in the car.

Also, there's a reason that they are making the 2015 gt500s with 5.0s and opting out the 5.8 already. High revving, high output v8s with less displacement are taking over.
5.4 is good up to about 750-800 rwhp, 5.0 is good for up to 650ish, as a general rule of thumb that is. 16k for an aluminator? No way. More like 12k if you budget 4k for install.

Also I would say that engine bay size has a lot to do with getting rid of the 5.8, in fact probably even more so than the 5.0 being a solid performer.
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5.4 is good up to about 750-800 rwhp, 5.0 is good for up to 650ish, as a general rule of thumb that is. 16k for an aluminator? No way. More like 12k if you budget 4k for install.

Also I would say that engine bay size has a lot to do with getting rid of the 5.8, in fact probably even more so than the 5.0 being a solid performer.
I'm not sure where you are getting that from? 750rwhp through a stock gt500 motor? That's nearly 900 flywheel horsepower and those rods and pistons would be all over the road with that much power. I would never even suggest someone put 700rwhp through a 10-12 gt500. Not to mention most gt500s making over 700rwhp are already pushing 18+psi and the rpm limit of that motor would never allow that much power without severe boost or head modification.

If you follow the link posted just above yours you can see the aluminator crate motor being sold for 15k. That's what I based my post off of, and all I was saying was that the aluminator could easily out perform the 5.4 and at that price would cost half as much.

I haven't seen valid pictures of the 2015s yet, but I heard a smaller wheel base is expected with less weight. Guess well see if you are right. Personally I love the 5.8. It sounds demonic with a set of borlas.
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Yea 16k is SUPER high for a 5.0 aluminator, and yea believe it or not the GT500 motor is good for about 750-800 rwhp, granted on the higher end you should be running E85 or race fuel instead of pump gas but nonetheless they can with stand that much power. Believe it or not most factory FI motors are pretty well over engineered. I realize how much fly wheel hp that is also, thanks though
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Ummm 10-12 5.4 can reach 750 I've seen it
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The 09 can also, I've seen it.
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Yea 16k is SUPER high for a 5.0 aluminator, and yea believe it or not the GT500 motor is good for about 750-800 rwhp, granted on the higher end you should be running E85 or race fuel instead of pump gas but nonetheless they can with stand that much power. Believe it or not most factory FI motors are pretty well over engineered. I realize how much fly wheel hp that is also, thanks though
Well like I said, that link is what I based my post off of.

I'd love to see either one of the cars you guys are talking about! A 2012 gt500 running 17psi only makes about 750 flywheel (I'll let you convert that). I'll bet you many a pretty penny that if you start pushing 18-20# of boost through that motor you will blow it and you'll never be even remotely close to 800rwhp with anything less than 22+psi and race fuel. I may not know alot about 5.0s (as you say) but I owned an 08 gt500 and I have a lightning currently. I can show you a list of gt500s blowing motors at 700rwhp. The lightning motor was horribly under engineered btw being that it was a 2 valve blown motor with powder forged rods. The terminator motor is the only motor other than the boss 302 motor that has been over engineered. I know personally of 2 boss 302s making well over 700rwhp with centrifugals running 16# of boost on e85. The boss 302 that went over 200mph in the Texas mile had the 2.8 mammoth Kenny belle and made a little over 790rwhp before it started spinning on the dyno at over 100mph. All 3 of those cars I just told you about have completely unmolested boss motors.
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Well like I said, that link is what I based my post off of.

I'd love to see either one of the cars you guys are talking about! A 2012 gt500 running 17psi only makes about 750 flywheel (I'll let you convert that). I'll bet you many a pretty penny that if you start pushing 18-20# of boost through that motor you will blow it and you'll never be even remotely close to 800rwhp with anything less than 22+psi and race fuel. I may not know alot about 5.0s (as you say) but I owned an 08 gt500 and I have a lightning currently. I can show you a list of gt500s blowing motors at 700rwhp. The lightning motor was horribly under engineered btw being that it was a 2 valve blown motor with powder forged rods. The terminator motor is the only motor other than the boss 302 motor that has been over engineered. I know personally of 2 boss 302s making well over 700rwhp with centrifugals running 16# of boost on e85. The boss 302 that went over 200mph in the Texas mile had the 2.8 mammoth Kenny belle and made a little over 790rwhp before it started spinning on the dyno at over 100mph. All 3 of those cars I just told you about have completely unmolested boss motors.
There are more efficient ways of making power besides simply dialing up the boost. You seem to think that the only way to make more power is by making more boost, which simply isn't true. Long tubes headers are one very quick example of how you can actually decrease boost and still make the same amount of power. Less back pressure actually makes it so that the pressure in the cylinder decreases as well meaning that less air is in the combustion chamber, but you'd still be making very close to the same power.

Look up Jammye quade. KOTS runner up last 2 years in a row. I don't remember how much power he was making in his 09 GT500 before he threw in his Manley rods but I know he was over 800.

You also have to keep in mind that tube plays a huge role in keeping a motor together. Maybe many of your buddies had a bad tuner?
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What's the difference between the aluminator vs the coyote engine?
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What's the difference between the aluminator vs the coyote engine?
Go to that link. It's a total different monster, all forged internals, etc
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The link above is for a 500 horsepower alluminater xs. The xs has the cobra jet manifold. The normal aluminater with 400 hp with forged rods and pistons sells for about 8500. The xs sells for about 14k. I would love to buy the xs. I wish I hade 20k burning a hole in my pocket.
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800whp is right on the verge of to much for a street car. I've driven a 600whp gt500 and ride in a 600+whp camero and I don't see how you could want much more. Anything over 850whp and your looking at loosing 1-3 due to wheel spin on the street. So unless your looking for a drag car 600whp is more than enough to dominate pretty much any street car you will find.
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Ummm 10-12 5.4 can reach 750 I've seen it
So can the 5.0 ... there is a guy making well over 700 to the wheels with a Paxton on stock internals and runs mid 10s. Stock (auto) trans too with a stall. There are quite a few people putting down 650-700RWHP on the stock internals and holding up just fine. I would say 750 is pushing it, but I would say the same for the 5.4.

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What's the difference between the aluminator vs the coyote engine?
the coyote motor is the stock motor that comes in the 5.0 GT from the factory, the 5.0 aluminator is an FRPP crate motor based very closely on the coyote 5.0 with the main difference being the choice of 2 different compression ratios as well as having manley rods and pistons. There are other differences as well, but those are the main highlights
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So can the 5.0 ... there is a guy making well over 700 to the wheels with a Paxton on stock internals and runs mid 10s. Stock (auto) trans too with a stall. There are quite a few people putting down 650-700RWHP on the stock internals and holding up just fine. I would say 750 is pushing it, but I would say the same for the 5.4.
Oh I know, wnt2gofast a memeber that used to be on here put on a blower when the 11's came out and was over 700hp to the tire. He was one of the first to do it
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Oh I know, wnt2gofast a memeber that used to be on here put on a blower when the 11's came out and was over 700hp to the tire. He was one of the first to do it
That's actually who I was talking about (that's his dyno sheet). I didn't want to bring up his name since he's banned and the mods kinda frown on that.
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There are more efficient ways of making power besides simply dialing up the boost. You seem to think that the only way to make more power is by making more boost, which simply isn't true. Long tubes headers are one very quick example of how you can actually decrease boost and still make the same amount of power. Less back pressure actually makes it so that the pressure in the cylinder decreases as well meaning that less air is in the combustion chamber, but you'd still be making very close to the same power.

Look up Jammye quade. KOTS runner up last 2 years in a row. I don't remember how much power he was making in his 09 GT500 before he threw in his Manley rods but I know he was over 800.

You also have to keep in mind that tube plays a huge role in keeping a motor together. Maybe many of your buddies had a bad tuner?
I understand where you are going with your point there. Long tube headers at a high boost level could easily add 40-50rwhp and probably and equal amount of torque. Even at that point you would be in 670-680rwhp range and needing to pulley up the supercharger again. If we are staying with stock motor and stock heads then you will be fighting a 6k rpm limit on that motor and stock those motors can fall apart revving upwards of that rpm. I don't doubt that one can "reach" that horsepower on a stock motor. The first hellion TT 5.0 guinea pig made upward of 900rwhp before needing a new motor. My point is that you are maxing the potential of that motor just trying to squeeze 700rwhp out of it and that motor is a ticking time bomb at that point.

One guy who threw rods all over the track had a 2011 with a whipple on it. He was running near 16psi with a killer chiller, long tubes and full exhaust, JDC intake. His car was tuned by the man himself, Rick, at amazon on their dyno. IIRC he was making about 720rwhp for about 4 or 5 days, and Rick told him right after he tuned it that the motor wasn't going to be able to take that power for long with him racing it. Another close friend of mine tried pulley-ing up a snakebite eaton on his 2010. He, AFAIK, was making near 24psi on that blower and his car had Jon Lund tunes in it. He blew his motor by running IATs upwards of 150* on back to back passes. This car wasn't even making 700rwhp, but I would be willing to bet he'd need a twin screw or centrifugal to make it there more safely. One more lol, my 08gt 500 had a JPC 76mm turbo set-up on it. My car was running 8psi with a full exhaust, lava wrapped custom headers, stage 3 intercooler, meth injection, and a huge fancy spectre cold air intake filter from auto zone lol. It put down about 570rwhp on most days, because it was scary to drive anywhere over 4500rpms mainly lol. I blew the motor in that car, after having it dyno tuned. The car lasted about 8 months after the tune and that included one 11.02 pass and getting kicked for no cage, and then one heavy 3rd gear pull on the highway. About a month after I replaced the motor in that car(and it had been down almost 5 months), a lady ran a red light and totaled it . I miss that car every day.
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