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Old 05-31-2013, 01:49 PM   #1
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My JBA O/R X vs Lethal O/R H and why I won't buy JBA again.

So I decided to make the switch from an O/R X to an O/R H. Talking with another member on here, he talked me out of getting the JBA O/R H to replace my X. Swap seemed like it would have been easier. I would have been sadly mistaken.

First thing I noticed when I went to remove the X pipe was how badly it was rusted. I mean there is rust, and then there is ruuuuuust. My stock parts faired better than this JBA garbage. I am not sure how much longer it honestly would have stayed on my car. The bolts that connected the cat deletes to the headers practically fell apart. It was bad. I had to use a stripped bolt remover on a few of them because they were rusted so bad they didn't fit the 15mm socket anymore. They were smaller from rusting so much.

Also I'll get a picture and throw it up but the pipe also when removing the one 02 sensor, the bung started breaking off metal and stripped the outter most threads of the 02 sensor. The metal from the JBA pipe is still on the 02 sensor. It is obvious it wasn't put in wrong as if it was all the threads would be stripped. So now I have to buy a $46 02 sensor to keep from throwing two CEL codes anymore. Also had to go buy 2 M18-1.5 plugs for a transmission drain to plug the holes currently. Gonna attempt contact with JBA and see if they will do anything, I am sure they won't.

As for the lethal, build is spot on. One thing people always noticed was that my axle backs stuck way the hell out the back of the car, no longer with the lethal do they do this. Looks like that was because the JBA was nearly 2" longer than the lethal. Also the bolts that came with the lethal pipe were much bigger. 16MM heads and the bolts themselves were much bigger. They fit the holes of the H pipe and the headers much better. A much more secure fit. They are also stainless steel bolts which will help in durability. The other bolts I forget what they were, but they were crappy.

So now to the part everyone is going to want, comparison videos. A quick note, the H pipe while also deeper, which is hard to tell from the videos the absolute rumble it has, also creates a clearer sound of the RPMs. The higher RPMs you can actually hear, vs the X kinda meshes the sound into a blob of just noise. You can tell what I mean from the video. I will never buy an X pipe again .

2011 Mustang 5.0 with JBA O/R X and Borla S-Types - YouTube

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Old 05-31-2013, 02:00 PM   #2
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Sounds good. Idk if you knew it or not, but when using stainless bolts, you need to use antiseze on them, or they will more than likely gould up when removing.
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Sounds good. Idk if you knew it or not, but when using stainless bolts, you need to use antiseze on them, or they will more than likely gould up when removing.
I used blue loctite haha. Just like I did on the ones for my relocation brackets for my LCA.
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Sounds like a mess.
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Sounds like a mess.
Tell me about it. And you cant say this was just stripped.


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Tell me about it. And you cant say this was just stripped.
Hi temp antiseze would have prevented that.
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Hi temp antiseze would have prevented that.
they had antiseze on them. The one side came out fine.
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they had antiseze on them. The one side came out fine.
That's odd
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So does lethal make the best off road pipes for the 5.0?
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So does lethal make the best off road pipes for the 5.0?
I dunno about that. I was talking with jayman and there are probably some better pipes out there. He gave me different quotes but some of the mid pipes go for 300+ along with another 100 for the cat deletes.

Right now I am happy with the lethal. Installed much better than the JBA did in many ways.
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Just some more to add too it. The other 02 hole was rusted on the inside, even with the anti seze. This O/R pipe had been on the car since a day or two after i joined ME. So october of 2012 i believe. Also to show the axle backs don't stick out as far anymore. Isn't an insane difference but they stick out nothing like they used too. Have engine enamel to paint them black too, just waiting for it too stop raining.

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You get what you pay for:

aluminized steel is cheap
409 is better(oem)
304 stainless is the best.

It you look at your stock pieces, they'll have a slight coating of rust that prevents them from rusting even more.
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