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Old 06-23-2013, 11:43 PM   #1
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Thinking about lowering

Since my birthday is coming up, my wife is looking to get me something big.

I've come down to either getting a go pro hero,,, or getting my car lowered. I'm not going to break the bank on her, so I woul only get something you guys would recommend. (Can't do coilovers)...

But one thing I am worried about is whether or not I need a new panhard bar... getting one in the future isn't relatively an option so if it's something I literally do not need, I'm going to pass...

Also, when I had my 02' I lowered the car by 1.5" on BBK specific rate springs... It literally ruined the ride of the car. So if lowering my car is going to give me noticeable rattle in the cabin, I'll pull those bad boys right back out.

Need some help and advice from the guys here who have lowered.
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Lowered mine with Eibach Sportlines, Koni STRT's, GT500 mounts, camber bolts, BMR LCA's, relo brackets and panhard bar. All together about $1300. People say if you don't get new struts/shocks it will ride worse and wear out the factory units pretty quick. Also depending on how far you lower depends on how far over your rear end will be. With a mild drop it might not be noticeable.


Just saw that you have an 02 model. Sure you meant to post in this section('10-'14)? At least that's what your profile says. Did you get a newer car?
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Sold the 02. Now I own a 2013
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Sold the 02. Now I own a 2013
Gotcha. Then I stand by what I said in previous post. If all you are asking about is the panhard bar, it is not required when you lower, but in my opinion, it is worth having. If you only lower 1" or so, no one might ever notice that the rear end is kicked to the drivers side a little. I did all the parts because I wanted to do it right the first time and be done with it for the most part. Only thing I need to finish it off is an adjustable UCA and bracket. Mine is lowered 1.7" F and 2.4" R. It rides stiffer than stock and you can tell, but I love the ride. Also got rid of the nose dive when braking and staring at the sky on hard launches. Worth every penny.
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I talked to jayman over the phone and he recommended eibach pro 249.99 and a panhard bar 110. Said if I was only looking for a 1.5 drop and not looking for performance but not losing performance either. So this is what I'm going with. My birthday is next month and will be ordering then.
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I would highly recommend some new shocks/struts. The ride quality is just not going to be comfortable at all. Like stated before, look into the Koni str.t dampeners. I also have, and love them. They are a great way to go, and wont break the bank. At the very least, i would also recommend camber bolts and gt500 strut mounts.. If you can afford them, look into the maximum motorsports or steeda cc plates.
Again, as mentioned above, a panhard bar is not technically "needed", but you would be surprised how off the rear will look, even if it shifts just a little. Some people can live with it, others are driven crazy by it.
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I would advise against camber bolts if you do any racing or have rough roads. Camber bolts don't do a great job of holding their position over potholes ect... You might need an alignment more often with these.

Mm camber plates are louder than the steeda mounts also. I had zero nvh with the steeda's, and just a little with the mm camber plates.
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Ok guys. Didn't want to break the bank. Bc I also wanted a tuner. But guess ill have to put that off for a while. Do y'all think I would be alright with
Eibach sports (f 1.3" b 2.0") 239.99 mm caster camber plates 324.99 and Whiteline adj ph bar 179 for just right now. I'm not looking for that smooth ride (as of now). And then later on when I get taxes or my money tree develops. I get str.t shocks and struts, bmr Uca's and lca's. I know these questions have been beat to death. But I'm just looking for a drop for now. That won't kill my tires. And I can get that luxury smooth ride when I get that luxury moo-la.
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Ok guys. Didn't want to break the bank. Bc I also wanted a tuner. But guess ill have to put that off for a while. Do y'all think I would be alright with
Eibach sports (f 1.3" b 2.0") 239.99 mm caster camber plates 324.99 and Whiteline adj ph bar 179 for just right now. I'm not looking for that smooth ride (as of now). And then later on when I get taxes or my money tree develops. I get str.t shocks and struts, bmr Uca's and lca's. I know these questions have been beat to death. But I'm just looking for a drop for now. That won't kill my tires. And I can get that luxury smooth ride when I get that luxury moo-la.
That'll be fine.
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I personally would do the shocks and struts first with the springs. And then do camber plates further down the line if you're trying to save now. Your stock dampeners, and stock strut mounts will both eventually go out on you anyway , so might as well do the dampeners first so you atleast have a comfortable ride. You say you dont care now, but after a couple thousand miles, i bet you change your mind. Only problem with that is if you go with the str.ts you will need new strut mounts anyway. As they only make the 05-10 model. You will either have to get the MM plates, which work with both the 05-10 or 11+ struts. Or the cheaper route, with the gt500 mounts. Honestly man, if you dont have air tools, the install is kind of a bear. Its easy in a sense, but those bolts are really on there. So i would just do all three at once, or else your basically going to be doing the job twice to add mounts or dampeners later on.
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I personally would do the shocks and struts first with the springs. And then do camber plates further down the line if you're trying to save now. Your stock dampeners, and stock strut mounts will both eventually go out on you anyway , so might as well do the dampeners first so you atleast have a comfortable ride. You say you dont care now, but after a couple thousand miles, i bet you change your mind. Only problem with that is if you go with the str.ts you will need new strut mounts anyway. As they only make the 05-10 model. You will either have to get the MM plates, which work with both the 05-10 or 11+ struts. Or the cheaper route, with the gt500 mounts. Honestly man, if you dont have air tools, the install is kind of a bear. Its easy in a sense, but those bolts are really on there. So i would just do all three at once, or else your basically going to be doing the job twice to add mounts or dampeners later on.
So what your saying is springs
Shocks and struts.
Mm camber plates or gt500 mounts
Panhard bar. <- need to be adj??
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So what your saying is springs
Shocks and struts.
Mm camber plates or gt500 mounts
Panhard bar. <- need to be adj??
That's personally what I would do.. You will thank me later when you don't have to do all that work twice haha. If you wait on lcas, and uca, those two are done individually. You don't have to take anything else apart.
And yes, you need an adjustable panhard bar to bring the rear back to center, as it will shift to one side when lowering.
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That's personally what I would do.. You will thank me later when you don't have to do all that work twice haha. If you wait on lcas, and uca, those two are done individually. You don't have to take anything else apart.
And yes, you need an adjustable panhard bar to bring the rear back to center, as it will shift to one side when lowering.
What's the advantage of camber plates over the gt500 mounts??
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What's the advantage of camber plates over the gt500 mounts??
Camber plates adjust camber. Gt500 mounts do not. Anything more than 1.5 drop I would do camber plates. Some people have got alignments in spec with gt500 mounts and some have not. If your getting 05-10 camber plates you will need springs from an 05-10 strut mount as well. Some camber plates use a spherical bushing, so it stiffens up the front a little more than gt500 mounts.
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Camber plates adjust camber. Gt500 mounts do not. Anything more than 1.5 drop I would do camber plates. Some people have got alignments in spec with gt500 mounts and some have not. If your getting 05-10 camber plates you will need springs from an 05-10 strut mount as well. Some camber plates use a spherical bushing, so it stiffens up the front a little more than gt500 mounts.
I recommend getting the MM plates, regardless of how low you are going, since not only are they stronger than the gt500s but they work with both the 05-10 shocks, and the 11+. I like that option, so further down the line if i can't find 05-10 shocks anymore, i can use the 11+ without having to buy new mounts. Not sure if the Steedas are the same way or not. You can also adjust caster with both as well.
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Camber plates adjust camber. Gt500 mounts do not. Anything more than 1.5 drop I would do camber plates. Some people have got alignments in spec with gt500 mounts and some have not. If your getting 05-10 camber plates you will need springs from an 05-10 strut mount as well. Some camber plates use a spherical bushing, so it stiffens up the front a little more than gt500 mounts.
Ok. Well. I have a 2012. And was going to do the str.t. 05-10. But they will work in my car if I get the camber plates. Correct?

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Ok. So will work. Thanks a lot guys for baring with me. First time ever working with a car. Or on a car.
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Ok. Well. I have a 2012. And was going to do the str.t. 05-10. But they will work in my car if I get the camber plates. Correct?
Yes sir. The only difference is the length of the threads on the top of the strut. The MM plates come with a spacer to use on the 05-10 struts.

Im currently running the koni str.ts with these plates and love the setup. Adjustments are easy as cake, and we got it aligned with no problems at all. Spot on.
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Ok. Well. I have a 2012. And was going to do the str.t. 05-10. But they will work in my car if I get the camber plates. Correct?

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Ok. So will work. Thanks a lot guys for baring with me. First time ever working with a car. Or on a car.
Yes but you need the spring perch from 05-10 strut mounts.
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Yes but you need the spring perch from 05-10 strut mounts.
Not correct. I used the spring perch of my 14. Just make sure you get the 11-14 CC plates

Here is the exact set you need. I promise you im right haha
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I recommend getting the MM plates, regardless of how low you are going, since not only are they stronger than the gt500s but they work with both the 05-10 shocks, and the 11+. I like that option, so further down the line if i can't find 05-10 shocks anymore, i can use the 11+ without having to buy new mounts. Not sure if the Steedas are the same way or not. You can also adjust caster with both as well.
Nah dude. 05-10 mm camber plates won't work with 11+ struts. Mm makes 11+ specific camber plates. Unless I'm missing something here.

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Not correct. I used the spring perch of my 14. Just make sure you get the 11-14 CC plates

Here is the exact set you need. I promise you im right haha
http://www.americanmuscle.com/mm-cas...ates-2011.html
Hmm...I didn't realize that. So the 11-14 plates can be used on 05-10 struts?
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Nah dude. 05-10 mm camber plates won't work with 11+ struts. Mm makes 11+ specific camber plates. Unless I'm missing something here.
I PROMISE you they work. The only difference between the two struts is the length of the threads. The 05-10 is about a half longer. The 11-14 CC plates come with a spacer to use, if using 05-10 struts.
Correct. They will work with both. You just need to make sure you get the 11+ CC in order for them to work with the 11+ perch.
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That's cool. I didn't know that. I've only had 05-10 mm camber plates
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That's cool. I didn't know that. I've only had 05-10 mm camber plates
Yes sir. Huge advantage in my opinion.
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Yes sir. Huge advantage in my opinion.
So does it come with the spacers??
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So does it come with the spacers??
Yes it does.
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Yes sir. Huge advantage in my opinion.
Yeah, if I knew that I would have got them. I didn't actually like how much noise the mm's produced though. Do your 11-14 mounts add nvh?
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Yeah, if I knew that I would have got them. I didn't actually like how much noise the mm's produced though. Do your 11-14 mounts add nvh?
No sir. The only nvh i get is a little bit in the rear from my panhard bar and lcas.
On second thought, i do get a bit of a squeek when hitting a bigger bump, but im almost 100% positive that its the springs. Very faint tho.
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No sir. The only nvh i get is a little bit in the rear from my panhard bar and lcas.
Which panhard bar did you go with. I heard whiteline has no noise.
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Which panhard bar did you go with. I heard whiteline has no noise.
Im personally not a fan of whiteline. Especially not after hearing about the failures from their UCAs which are actually now under recall. That being said, i have also heard they are pretty quite. I went with the J&M adjustable panhard bar instead. A little noisy when hitting bumps but it doesnt bother me much. My lcas and brackets are bmr.
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Im personally not a fan of whiteline. Especially not after hearing about the failures from their UCAs which are actually now under recall. That being said, i have also heard they are pretty quite. I went with the J&M adjustable panhard bar instead. A little noisy when hitting bumps but it doesnt bother me much. My lcas and brackets are bmr.
Gotcha. Thanks again.
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No problem man. Let me know if you need anymore help!
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Im personally not a fan of whiteline. Especially not after hearing about the failures from their UCAs which are actually now under recall. That being said, i have also heard they are pretty quite. I went with the J&M adjustable panhard bar instead. A little noisy when hitting bumps but it doesnt bother me much. My lcas and brackets are bmr.
Eh, IMO that's not a fair judgement. WL came out and admitted that there was an issue and is replacing all the failed components with a more sturdy piece at no charge to their customers. I don't base a company on how well they handle success but rather how they handle adversity. They admitted they were wrong and are making it right. They have been making performance suspension for quite some time for many different cars. They know their stuff
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Eh, IMO that's not a fair judgement. WL came out and admitted that there was an issue and is replacing all the failed components with a more sturdy piece at no charge to their customers. I don't base a company on how well they handle success but rather how they handle adversity. They admitted they were wrong and are making it right. They have been making performance suspension for quite some time for many different cars. They know their stuff
Not arguing that at all. I just PERSONALLY don't want their parts on my car. Not trying to steer anybody else away from them though. And you are 100% correct in regards to the way they handled the situation. They proved that they are committed to providing good quality products for their customers. Again, i personally just prefer BMR. Mainly being because, whiteline is pretty new to the mustang world and i dont have any "real life" experience with their parts. I have had alot of BMR parts on past cars, without ever having a single problem. My philosophy is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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