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Old 06-26-2013, 08:15 AM   #1
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headers shortys vs long tubes

Ok guy I used the search bar looked through everything nothing helpful... I was wondering whats the major differences between long tubes and shortys is the power gain more with long tubes if so how much
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i gained about 19 rwhp with just longtubes alone and a way better sounding exhaust
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The stock headers on the mustang are very efficient tri-y design and flow pretty well, because of this, shorties really don't do anything for your car, you won't likely see any power gains. LT's on the other hand give a better, deeper, more crisp tone. They're a bit more expensive and most people don't believe the money/work involved in installing them, is worth it. But I have mine and I love them and of do it again
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The stock headers on the mustang are very efficient tri-y design and flow pretty well, because of this, shorties really don't do anything for your car, you won't likely see any power gains. LT's on the other hand give a better, deeper, more crisp tone. They're a bit more expensive and most people don't believe the money/work involved in installing them, is worth it. But I have mine and I love them and of do it again
Ok so here is what I have exhaust wise give me your opinion I have a bbk after cat xpipe and slp loud mouth axle back if I go with long tubes I will have to get a different x/h pipe right? And where the slp is just a muffler delete how loud is this going to be I track my car alot but I also drive it from time to time have a work car but this is my weekend car
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You'll need to buy a shorty mid pipe. For instance if you bought the BBK Ceramic Coated Long Tubes, you'll need to add on the BBK Shorty O/R or Catted mid pipe.
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You'll need to buy a shorty mid pipe. For instance if you bought the BBK Ceramic Coated Long Tubes, you'll need to add on the BBK Shorty O/R or Catted mid pipe.
Not if you buy JPC's Long tube Headers. They'll mount right to your current BBK after cat X using the factory style ball and socket connection.

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Doesn't it say that it will mate to factory cats only if you use a JPC catted X-Pipe, or do I have something mixed up?
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JPC LT's will mate up to stock midpipe, if you need a catted setup you will have to get JPC's midpipe
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Is their an off road H pipe that'll mate up to the JPC LT's?
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Call nick at jdm engineering he will answer your questions and get you hooked up. He was very helpful. I have kooks LT and o/r x. It was a noticeable increase in power.
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Is their an off road H pipe that'll mate up to the JPC LT's?
The JPC headers replace your stock manifolds and your cats. And it will mount directly to your factory H pipe, essentially giving you a off road H. If you wanted a different H pipe, you would just shop for a after cat H. Heartthrob, JBA, MAC, Mbrp, and MRT make one. With the Heartthrob cat to axle pipes, you can get them with a HPipe. It would go from the collectors of the JPC Headers all the way back, keeping your Axle backs Modular, deleting your resonators and its mandrel bent piping. For $379.99

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The JPC headers replace your stock manifolds and your cats. And it will mount directly to your factory H pipe, essentially giving you a off road H. If you wanted a different H pipe, you would just shop for a after cat H. Heartthrob, JBA, MAC, Mbrp, and MRT make one. With the Heartthrob cat to axle pipes, you can get them with a HPipe. It would go from the collectors of the JPC Headers all the way back, keeping your Axle backs Modular, deleting your resonators and its mandrel bent piping. For $379.99

http://www.americanmuscle.com/2011-mustang-hpipe.html
That is exactly what I wanted to know. Thank you.
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That is exactly what I wanted to know. Thank you.
You're very welcome primes. BTW, the JPC Headers are on sale right now for $699 with free shipping.
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You're very welcome primes. BTW, the JPC Headers are on sale right now for $699 with free shipping.
JPC headers and FRPP O/R X for $899 free shipping on JPC right now too!
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JPC headers and FRPP O/R X for $899 free shipping on JPC right now too!
That too, lol.
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Ok guys thanks for all the insight very helpful now is any one running LTs no cats and a axle back that deletes muffler how loud is it
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I'm running borla s types with Kooks LT's and quad hpipe. Sounds amazing.
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I'm running sw LT's and offroad x with FRPP sports which are essentially rebranded s types, it sounds pretty good and is very loud at wot and quiet at idle, can't speak for muffler deletes but I can't imagine the tone will be all that great, it'll be more like a noise dump than a musical tone that your v8 should be
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OP, If your looking to get power HP and torque gains the choice is simple. GO WITH LONG TUBE HEADERS. There amazing with the sound and power gains are great. If you want no power gains and a shinny header that looks better than your stock manifold, buy the shortly header. Waste of money for the shortly in my opinion. I have the ceramic BBK long tube headers with o/r x pipe and real happy with them. Big difference in power.
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OP, If your looking to get power HP and torque gains the choice is simple. GO WITH LONG TUBE HEADERS. There amazing with the sound and power gains are great. If you want no power gains and a shinny header that looks better than your stock manifold, buy the shortly header. Waste of money for the shortly in my opinion. I have the ceramic BBK long tube headers with o/r x pipe and real happy with them. Big difference in power.
Gains are good with LT's, but I wouldn't consider it great, on the coyote 5.0, you're lucky to get 15 hp from JUST LT's. now going catless is where the real power is
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Gains are good with LT's, but I wouldn't consider it great, on the coyote 5.0, you're lucky to get 15 hp from JUST LT's. now going catless is where the real power is
I hear ya on that. Long tubes and off road x pipe is where its at.
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Kooks new super street shortys have 1/78th primaries and 3" collectors that bolt right up to your cats. Jdm performance installed them on a n/a 5.0 with a high flow h pipe and peaked 25 hp in testing. When i bought a set from them i told them i have a bassani 3 inch true x pipe they said i will see even more. My car is supercharged and these headers make some power. They are not as loud as long tubes, but louder then the stock units. Take a look here to see how they outperform the stock headers:

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I had the magnaflow tru x pipe and that thing was amazing as far as the hp gains but the rasp was horrible...
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After market headers are even better for FI cars, less boost and more power, it's a win win
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Has anyone checked the power difference between Longtubes w high flow cats versus Longtubes w no cats?

High flow cats just junk?
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I had the magnaflow tru x pipe and that thing was amazing as far as the hp gains but the rasp was horrible...
I have zero rasp, in fact the rasp i had dissapeared when i 1st put my x-pipe in. The stock h pipe is garbage.
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I have zero rasp, in fact the rasp i had dissapeared when i 1st put my x-pipe in. The stock h pipe is garbage.
I have to agree I think mine was a bit less raspy with the xpipe then stock h pipe but its is still raspy but I guess thats muffler deletes for ya
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I have to agree I think mine was a bit less raspy with the xpipe then stock h pipe but its is still raspy but I guess thats muffler deletes for ya
Oh yeah no mufflers= rasp.. A pair of gt 500's will take care of that.
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Oh yeah no mufflers= rasp.. A pair of gt 500's will take care of that.

Are GT500's sung out to be one of the better sounding mufflers when you go LT's/Off-Road X or H? I know trying to find the "best" sounding exhaust is a shot in the dark, but I know one of the Roush mufflers sound raspy with catless, etc... etc...
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like I said before I have LT's and orxp with gt500's zero rasp, loud, and deep rumble, would love to do a muffler delete to shed weight, but I would rather carry the 30lbs then have rasp
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like I said before I have LT's and orxp with gt500's zero rasp, loud, and deep rumble, would love to do a muffler delete to shed weight, but I would rather carry the 30lbs then have rasp
Those mufflers weigh 30 pounds?!
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Those mufflers weigh 30 pounds?!
I think that's per muffler lol
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The stock mufflers weigh 30lbs as well no biggy, they sound good...i have an extra drivers side gt-500 muffler in storage. A lady hit my passenger side 6 months ago and the replacement came in a box of 2 so i have a spare still the box, i don't know what to do with. ..lol
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The stock mufflers weigh 30lbs as well no biggy, they sound good...i have an extra drivers side gt-500 muffler in storage. A lady hit my passenger side 6 months ago and the replacement came in a box of 2 so i have a spare still the box, i don't know what to do with. ..lol

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i dont know for sure what they weigh but i bet its close to 30 per muffler, compared to say 10lbs for a muffler delete?
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