Would the stock PCM and alternator from my 2013 5.0 work for the aluminator (supercharged not n/a) motor ??? And how much hp is the motor capable of? And how much would it put out without a supercharger installed?
The aliminator is boss engine right ? I'm pretty sure it is and I think main difference is that it's forged and can handle bigger boost I would imagine would need boss alternator they sell as well . I may be completely wrong I'm sure someone will chime in
The aluminator is the aluminator and the roadrunner is the road runner. The aluminators are good for quite a bit of horsepower, but it's hard to day how much it can handle. The higher compression NA motor will create more power per pound of boost than the lower compression FI motor. Hell the stock motor can take about 800 hp if you throw in some forged internals and replace piston rings and skirts.
It's more about what your goal are and what exactly you're looking to do. If you want to keep it under 600 whp stock motor will be fine
My goal is to make 800 and still get 28mpg.....not lol
On a serious note, my goal is to hit 800
Would my stock ECU and alternator work with the aluminator?
Yes, they will. The s/c version without a blower make about the same HP as a stock coyote. Basically what you loose in compression can be gained back by being able to adjust timing more aggressively. I was told by frpp that the motor is good for ~1000 HP crank. Btw, I have one
??? Never had it without. Blower went on right after the motor went in. I'm making same #s as stock engine guys at my boost level though as far as I can tell.
stock used 5.0 are going for 3500-4000. and that's a complete motor. From valve covers to oil pan. And the the only arp bolts are the rod bolts, everything else is FRPP stock bolts.
Also remember if you are going with the 11.1:1 motor they do not have the billet oil pump gears.
I'm pretty sure that even the newer 11.0:1 aluminators have billet oil pump gears... Let me see if I can verify that, but I'm about 87.3% positive they do
Edit: after doing some research I can't find anywhere that says the 11:1 includes billet oil pump gear but everything says that the timing cover is machined for use with the PD blowers. While this doesn't prove that they have the oil pump gears it's definitely suggesting there would be
11.1:1 have standard gt oil pump gears,. only the 9.5:1 have tss billet oil pump gears.. It has been covered and talkied about for some time.. it's not listed as having them and ford never updated the web if they did have them which is pretty current. It's also been confirmed from people that actually have them that they had to replace the gears with billet pieces. 1 guy out of 100's or even 1000's who have replace the gears in the 11.1:1 motor is not a reliable source! Read the parts list and breakdown of the motors and realize that they are not on the N/A motor
I've searched high and low for a parts list for a 2013 5.0 aluminator NA motor and have found nothing. Like I said only the 2013 production ones have been claimed to have them, and unfortunately the only data I can find is someone on the interwebz saying they talked to FRPP (which leads me to believe you didn't even read the link I posted). You haven't proven me wrong any more or less than I have proven myself right, unfortunately for all of us.
Do you happen to have a parts list or know where to find one for 2013 5.0 aluminator? Again, it would seem to me that FRPP would include the TSS billet oil pump gears even in the NA model is they are going to machine the timing cover for use with a PD blower.
N/A long block? I assume so since you're talking about keeping the boss NA. Why would you be doing the swap with the car for sale? Not knocking you just curious
On the frpp website they list the sc version of the aluminator as having billet gears, on the na version they do NOT. My guess as to why the na is machined for a blower is that they don't want to produce two different blocks. Probably more cost efficient.
It's not listed, you are correct, doesn't mean it's completely up to date either. And machining a timing cover has nothing to do with producing different blocks. I mean hell if they really wanna keep from producing different motors why even have more than one version of the aluminator?
How is taking more time and energy to price different timing covers more cost efficient. The roush rs3 now has the aluminator as an option... The high compression version at that.
I could very well be chasing my own tail here but it would seem to me that there's more truth to the oil pump gears being billet in the newer one than you may think. In the mean time I'll keep searching, just because up until now they haven't been usin steel oil pump gears doesn't mean they haven't upgraded them
You may be right but they originally did not offer billet oil pump gears with the sc version and now that they do the have indeed updated the website so I don't see why they wouldn't have updated the na version as well. My opinion is because they don't come with them.
Update ..... I bought an alluminator 11.1 and before I did I called to make sure the new rumor was correct , ALL Alluminators have Billet oil pump gears
Remember the aluminator also has manley h beam connecting rods,which the terminal engines use . rapinator swears by them.
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