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Old 07-12-2013, 08:44 PM   #1
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Switching to the aluminator motor

Would the stock PCM and alternator from my 2013 5.0 work for the aluminator (supercharged not n/a) motor ??? And how much hp is the motor capable of? And how much would it put out without a supercharger installed?
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The aliminator is boss engine right ? I'm pretty sure it is and I think main difference is that it's forged and can handle bigger boost I would imagine would need boss alternator they sell as well . I may be completely wrong I'm sure someone will chime in
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The aluminator is the aluminator and the roadrunner is the road runner. The aluminators are good for quite a bit of horsepower, but it's hard to day how much it can handle. The higher compression NA motor will create more power per pound of boost than the lower compression FI motor. Hell the stock motor can take about 800 hp if you throw in some forged internals and replace piston rings and skirts.

It's more about what your goal are and what exactly you're looking to do. If you want to keep it under 600 whp stock motor will be fine
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The aluminator is the aluminator and the roadrunner is the road runner. The aluminators are good for quite a bit of horsepower, but it's hard to day how much it can handle. The higher compression NA motor will create more power per pound of boost than the lower compression FI motor. Hell the stock motor can take about 800 hp if you throw in some forged internals and replace piston rings and skirts.

It's more about what your goal are and what exactly you're looking to do. If you want to keep it under 600 whp stock motor will be fine
My goal is to make 800 and still get 28mpg.....not lol
On a serious note, my goal is to hit 800
Would my stock ECU and alternator work with the aluminator?
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Yes, they will. The s/c version without a blower make about the same HP as a stock coyote. Basically what you loose in compression can be gained back by being able to adjust timing more aggressively. I was told by frpp that the motor is good for ~1000 HP crank. Btw, I have one
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Yes, they will. The s/c version without a blower make about the same HP as a stock coyote. Basically what you loose in compression can be gained back by being able to adjust timing more aggressively. I was told by frpp that the motor is good for ~1000 HP crank. Btw, I have one
How much of a loss in HP u have with the aluminator motor without the blower?
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??? Never had it without. Blower went on right after the motor went in. I'm making same #s as stock engine guys at my boost level though as far as I can tell.
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How much of a loss in HP u have with the aluminator motor without the blower?
The aluminator has boss cams, ported heads, and forged internals. I know personally of a hellion twin turbo car making 1200rwhp on a aluminator motor with the stock ECU. Even without the supercharger you can make more horsepower NA than the stock motor.
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No boss cams, no ported heads. Just boss springs.

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No boss cams, no ported heads. Just boss springs.

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You are correct! I thought cobra jet engine for some reason while I was typing. My mistake!
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I wonder if that block can handle a shot of nos also
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I wonder if that block can handle a shot of nos also
It's all arp hardware with some boss internals so I'm sure if can
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I'm prly gonna put my motor up for sale and go with the aluminator
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I'm prly gonna put my motor up for sale and go with the aluminator
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:22 AM   #15
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Done and

Done
Who wants A coyote motor for 6k?? Only 9.600 miles on it
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Did you order the aluminator?!
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Done and

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Who wants A coyote motor for 6k?? Only 9.600 miles on it
Good luck at 6k
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Done and

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Who wants A coyote motor for 6k?? Only 9.600 miles on it
They run 6.300 new even lower. I plan on buying an aluminator then selling my motor to help pay for my supercharger. But i was only thinking i am only going to get 4/4500 for mine with 19k on it.
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stock used 5.0 are going for 3500-4000. and that's a complete motor. From valve covers to oil pan. And the the only arp bolts are the rod bolts, everything else is FRPP stock bolts.
Also remember if you are going with the 11.1:1 motor they do not have the billet oil pump gears.
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stock used 5.0 are going for 3500-4000. and that's a complete motor. From valve covers to oil pan. And the the only arp bolts are the rod bolts, everything else is FRPP stock bolts.
Also remember if you are going with the 11.1:1 motor they do not have the billet oil pump gears.
I'm pretty sure that even the newer 11.0:1 aluminators have billet oil pump gears... Let me see if I can verify that, but I'm about 87.3% positive they do

Edit: after doing some research I can't find anywhere that says the 11:1 includes billet oil pump gear but everything says that the timing cover is machined for use with the PD blowers. While this doesn't prove that they have the oil pump gears it's definitely suggesting there would be
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Ill sell my coyote that has 1900 miles on it for $3k so $6k for 9k mile is absurd
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^ shiet for that price, I might buy it just to buy it.
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^ shiet for that price, I might buy it just to buy it.
Do it then. Lol
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only the 9.5:1 motor comes with the oil pump gears!
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Do it then. Lol
Honestly I would if I could do a local pick up for it. I'm sure shipping if a crate engine would be stupid expensive to Florida.
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Honestly I would if I could do a local pick up for it. I'm sure shipping if a crate engine would be stupid expensive to Florida.
if crated right it usually cost 300 coast to coast..
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only the 9.5:1 motor comes with the oil pump gears!
No, all coyote motors and their 5 liter derivative motors come with oil pump gears

Edit: http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96030

Check it out, start on post #8

All 2013 and newer 5.0 aluminator motors come with TSS billet oil pump gears, both 9.5 and 11:1 motors
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I want the mmr boss long block
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11.1:1 have standard gt oil pump gears,. only the 9.5:1 have tss billet oil pump gears.. It has been covered and talkied about for some time.. it's not listed as having them and ford never updated the web if they did have them which is pretty current. It's also been confirmed from people that actually have them that they had to replace the gears with billet pieces. 1 guy out of 100's or even 1000's who have replace the gears in the 11.1:1 motor is not a reliable source! Read the parts list and breakdown of the motors and realize that they are not on the N/A motor
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I might be selling my boss motor to pick up a CJ long block. I wonder what I could get for that engine? Hmmm
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11.1:1 have standard gt oil pump gears,. only the 9.5:1 have tss billet oil pump gears.. It has been covered and talkied about for some time.. it's not listed as having them and ford never updated the web if they did have them which is pretty current. It's also been confirmed from people that actually have them that they had to replace the gears with billet pieces. 1 guy out of 100's or even 1000's who have replace the gears in the 11.1:1 motor is not a reliable source! Read the parts list and breakdown of the motors and realize that they are not on the N/A motor
I've searched high and low for a parts list for a 2013 5.0 aluminator NA motor and have found nothing. Like I said only the 2013 production ones have been claimed to have them, and unfortunately the only data I can find is someone on the interwebz saying they talked to FRPP (which leads me to believe you didn't even read the link I posted). You haven't proven me wrong any more or less than I have proven myself right, unfortunately for all of us.

Do you happen to have a parts list or know where to find one for 2013 5.0 aluminator? Again, it would seem to me that FRPP would include the TSS billet oil pump gears even in the NA model is they are going to machine the timing cover for use with a PD blower.
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I might be selling my boss motor to pick up a CJ long block. I wonder what I could get for that engine? Hmmm
N/A long block? I assume so since you're talking about keeping the boss NA. Why would you be doing the swap with the car for sale? Not knocking you just curious
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On the frpp website they list the sc version of the aluminator as having billet gears, on the na version they do NOT. My guess as to why the na is machined for a blower is that they don't want to produce two different blocks. Probably more cost efficient.
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On the frpp website they list the sc version of the aluminator as having billet gears, on the na version they do NOT. My guess as to why the na is machined for a blower is that they don't want to produce two different blocks. Probably more cost efficient.
It's not listed, you are correct, doesn't mean it's completely up to date either. And machining a timing cover has nothing to do with producing different blocks. I mean hell if they really wanna keep from producing different motors why even have more than one version of the aluminator?

How is taking more time and energy to price different timing covers more cost efficient. The roush rs3 now has the aluminator as an option... The high compression version at that.

I could very well be chasing my own tail here but it would seem to me that there's more truth to the oil pump gears being billet in the newer one than you may think. In the mean time I'll keep searching, just because up until now they haven't been usin steel oil pump gears doesn't mean they haven't upgraded them
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