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Old 08-08-2013, 06:34 AM   #1
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At what mileage does the power start to show up, seems to be a little sluggish at less than 100 miles on it.
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At what mileage does the power start to show up, seems to be a little sluggish at less than 100 miles on it.
Uh.... come to a stop shift into first rev to 3500 drop the clutch. Shouldn't be "sluggish" at all...
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At what mileage does the power start to show up, seems to be a little sluggish at less than 100 miles on it.
I wouldn't drive it super aggressive until about 1000 miles! Read the owners manual and fallow it to a T! Mine really started to come in around 2000 miles. Also keep in mind these cars have adaptive learning. It's more noticeable in the auto trans cars. It basically learns the way you drive. So drive it some what aggressively. It's actually bad to baby them.
Once you reach 1-2k miles do a 4th gear pull from about 2,000 rpm to redline then let the car de-cel on its own in 4th. (If its a manual car)
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mine was never sluggish - even on the test drives
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They say there's a small break in period but the car doesn't hit its stride until about 5000 miles.
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mine was never sluggish - even on the test drives
I think they might be smoking royal purple. These cars are B.A right out of the gate.
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I think they might be smoking royal purple. These cars are B.A right out of the gate.
Agreed mine was like a bat outta hell driven off the lot
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The owners manual explains the break in procedure for a reason.
The only true way to tell if its loosing power it to strap it to a dyno. But you would have had to do so before when you thought it was more aggressive. I willing to bet its just you getting used to the car? These cars also have adaptive learning. The WILL learn the way you drive them.
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I have driven three 2013 5.0 MT82's with the track package on test drives. Two of them were complete turds and felt slower than a 2V 4.6. One of them wouldn't even chirp the tires going into 2nd gear with traction control switched off. The third was a beast and was worthy of it's 420 hp rating.

I would bet the first two cars were not even putting down 260whp. It was so slow that a 3.7 V6 MT82 with the performance package was actually faster over what I guessed to be a 1/4 mile distance. The v6 hit about 105 mph, one of the 5.0's hit about 95 mph (test drove this 5.0 and 3.7 back to back at the same dealership on the same day). The clutch didn't seem to be slipping so unless there really is a break-in tune then I feel sorry for the owners of those cars.

I brought up the issue with the sales person (who didn't seem to know much about anything) on how lethargic the 5.0 was and he said that it was still breaking in and wouldn't have full power until after 3,000 miles. So, the next day I called and spoke to that same dealership's (Dave Knapp Ford of Greenville, Ohio) service manager and he said there was no such thing (as far as a break-in tune) on the 5.0 to prevent them from making power but that they do seem to loosen up and run better after 3,000 to 5,000 miles.

All of these cars had between 500 - 800 miles on them, if that makes any difference.

Seems like most of these cars are ready to roll straight off the lot. My experience has been quite different and that is one of the primary reasons I did not buy a 5.0.
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No offense but you should've purchased the gt. There is no doubt a break in period for the Gt. my twin brother has a 2012 V6 performance package and he regrets not buying the gt after driving my car. The pirellis take awhile to break in so your not going to get the full effect of the car until at least 2000 miles on the odometer. Driving the gt super aggressively before its broken in doesn't do the car justice.
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No kidding these cars have adaptive learning ......
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No offense but you should've purchased the gt. There is no doubt a break in period for the Gt. my twin brother has a 2012 V6 performance package and he regrets not buying the gt after driving my car. The pirellis take awhile to break in so your not going to get the full effect of the car until at least 2000 miles on the odometer. Driving the gt super aggressively before its broken in doesn't do the car justice.
Lol, he regrets not getting the gt too, else he wouldn't be trying to convince ppl his 6banger is faster.
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Yeah I agree. The heart of the GT is the coyote engine. The v6 is nice and all but it's just not the same.
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I cant help but laugh at 6 banger stangs sometimes...its just not the same. I'd never buy a 6 cylinder sports car. Not an American made sports car anyways. To me it's kinda like people that put a 6" lift and huge tires on a 2 wheel drive truck. What's the point? Lol
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I'm not trying to start a 3.7 vs 5.0 thread. I was just simply stating that like the OP there are 5.0's out there that at least with very low miles that aren't even close to what they should be. While all of you are saying that your cars ran well straight off the dealers lot, I can tell you that there are turd 5.0's out there (at least with very low miles). Maybe that will change after a break-in or maybe it will simply be a slow 5.0 for the rest of it's days.

As for my decision to purchase a 3.7 over the 5.0, there was the issue with the two out of three GT's I drove. I finally decided that a fun car that gets 30+ mpg and more than 300hp would be a better, more responsible purchase. If I want to go fast and get 26 - 28 mpg, I'll drive the Z28, if I want to go fast while it's raining or snowing, I'll drive the Talon, if I just want to drive somewhere, I will be taking the Mustang. Seems pretty simple to me.

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The pirellis take awhile to break in so your not going to get the full effect of the car until at least 2000 miles on the odometer. Driving the gt super aggressively before its broken in doesn't do the car justice.
So, the two 5.0's not being able to break traction going into 2nd gear is because the tires aren't broke in? That simply does not make sense. Considering all three 5.0's had the track package and similar mileage, the third car that ran correctly would simply light the tires hitting 2nd and would leave a nice patch going into 3rd and a solid chirp hitting 4th. Which to be honest, is expected out of a car with close gearing and 400+ hp. I don't see how there can be that much of a difference between identical cars and calling that normal. The two turd 5.0's were severely lacking in power compared to the third and would have made a 4.0l V6 owner scratching his head wondering "where's the beef".

If I were the OP, I would go test drive a few similarly performance packaged 5.0's and see if there are any differences in performance. If there are, then I would let the dealer know.
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You sir must not know how to properly drive . Pretty sure I can go to a dealer find a 5.0 with 10 miles on it drop clutch in 1st and do a smoke show lol is it good to do it in break in maybe not but the car is still a 400hp car 10 miles or 100k miles
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I can tell you from my own experience my car had lack of throttle response and road grip right off the lot. To call them "turds" however seems to be a bit disingenuous. You don't have to explain to us why you got the v6 but to say you feel sorry for those people who purchased the 5.0 is a slap in our face.
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You sir must not know how to properly drive . Pretty sure I can go to a dealer find a 5.0 with 10 miles on it drop clutch in 1st and do a smoke show lol is it good to do it in break in maybe not but the car is still a 400hp car 10 miles or 100k miles
The cars (that were slow) ran fine as far as idle and sound, but they just were very slow. It was like matting the pedal to the floor only allowed 60% throttle yet the car was able to rev to it's redline and the throttle seemed linear from idle to WOT. So maybe it was something limiting the throttle input until a certain criteria was met?

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I can tell you from my own experience my car had lack of throttle response and road grip right off the lot. To call them "turds" however seems to be a bit disingenuous. You don't have to explain to us why you got the v6 but to say you feel sorry for those people who purchased the 5.0 is a slap in our face.
Those cars that I referred to as "turds" simply did not make anywhere close to the power they should have or that the third 5.0 had. The third 5.0 ran perfectly as expected and was a beast of a car for being stock.

As for being sorry about the owners of the 5.0s, I was clearly referring to the future owners of the two slow 5.0's that I test drove, assuming they didn't loosen up or come out of a break-in tune and make the power that the 3rd car had. Which is written in plain text if you read what I typed, "The clutch didn't seem to be slipping so unless there really is a break-in tune then I feel sorry for the owners of those cars."

If you feel that was a slap in your face, then you certainly are a sensitive person.
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If the third gt you drove great why get the v6? Save me the nonsense about gas mileage. You can drive the gt and still get reasonably good gas mileage. It sounds like you're trying to justify to yourself why you purchased the v6
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If the third gt you drove great why get the v6? Save me the nonsense about gas mileage. You can drive the gt and still get reasonably good gas mileage. It sounds like you're trying to justify to yourself why you purchased the v6
He already said because he has Z28...
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I love my 5.0. I have never even test drove the 3.7 V6 because I knew when I got this car it had to be a V8. I don't regret my decision one bit to go with the Coyote.
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Then why test drive a gt if he knew going in he was going for the v6 because if the gas mileage? 3 of them no less. Are you confused? The last time I checked you weren't Ish.
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The first 5.0 I drove let me down as well. Once I drove one with the 3.73 option I figured out the problem.

As far as a z28 being your fast car I hope you have something done to it. Same with the talon.
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I guess I got lucky cuz my full load BBP 3.73 GT is running 12.0 at 114 on a drag tire and control arms, so far. Bring your six to that game and we'll talk about turd 5.0s.

The factory tune on the 5.0 is super safe and pretty fluffy, I'll give you that. It makes ok ultimate power but feels a bit soft in day to day operation. I switched to the also super-mild Procal tune to basically snap up the throttle response, as I felt the car had more than adequate ultimate power.
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I haven't driven fast yet, nor have I tried to run it hard, I havent been anywhere to go faster than 55, since I've only had it 3 days. I just thought I'd ask you guys that have had them for a while, My SRT8 would'nt spin the tires in a mud puddle, until it got a few miles on it.
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It's a deceptive car, being so quiet and having a quad cam V8, meaning it loves to rev.

As I often say, my last car felt faster than it was (Speed 3) this car is faster than it feels...by a lot.
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Then why test drive a gt if he knew going in he was going for the v6 because if the gas mileage? 3 of them no less. Are you confused?
I had contemplated selling my Z28 and Talon and buying a new 5.0.

Then I figured to make the 5.0 as fast as my Z28 (129 Mph trap), I would need the basic bolt-ons, a Boss intake and a 150 shot. So at that point I decided I didn't need a 5.0 and started looking at the 3.7 Mustang. It checked every option on my list and was the best choice I could find so I ordered one exactly how I wanted it.

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The first 5.0 I drove let me down as well. Once I drove one with the 3.73 option I figured out the problem.

As far as a z28 being your fast car I hope you have something done to it. Same with the talon.

I guess I got lucky cuz my full load BBP 3.73 GT is running 12.0 at 114 on a drag tire and control arms, so far. Bring your six to that game and we'll talk about turd 5.0s.
I didn't see any mention anywhere of a V6 being fast. Other than where I pointed out that on my test drive, I stopped at a bridge, with a single driveway roughly 1/4 mile away in both the v6 and GT, and basically ran them like I was at the strip. The V6 would have one that match, easily. Simply because that 5.0 was lacking in power for whatever reason.

The only 5.0's I drove had the 3.73 rear axle, there was definitely something holding two of the cars back. The third car felt almost as quick as my Z28 on motor. Which your car running a 12.0 @ 114 confirms.

As mentioned previously it runs the 1/8 in 7.7 @ 102 Mph (babying the car off the line and into 2nd gear, trying to not destroy another junk 10 bolt while running street tires) and runs an 11.4 @ 129 Mph in the 1/4 with wheel spin through all 4 gears. Based on similar setups, the car on a drag tire with a good rear end should be around a 6.6 - 6.8 @ 105 mph in the 1/8 and around a 10.8 @ 134 in the 1/4. When racing in Mexico or at private airstrips it will pull on cars that trap low 130's.

If your interested in what it has done check out my introduction thread, it also has info on the Talon - Newb from Indiana


I'm not here trying to rile everyone up. I am just replying to a thread that I thought my experience from the test drives could be beneficial too, that maybe someone might have knowledge of what was going on with these affected cars. Apparently when some 5.0 owners read "slow", "turd" and "fast and Z28" in the same sentence they immediately come out for blood.
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Screw the owners manual and the supposed "break in" period. I broke mine in hard. Maybe that's why it runs better times than most.
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I test drove a 2013 GT, automatic with 3:15 gears and was very disappointed in the acceleration of this one. Certainly not bad but I was expecting the second coming of Jesus and compared to my modded 11 V6 have no doubt I could run faster 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile faster than the one I test drove. I'm sure it had to be one faulty 5.0 but very disappointed in it. Sucks to be the owner of that one I tested.
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I test drove a 2013 GT, automatic with 3:15 gears and was very disappointed in the acceleration of this one. Certainly not bad but I was expecting the second coming of Jesus and compared to my modded 11 V6 have no doubt I could run faster 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile faster than the one I test drove. I'm sure it had to be one faulty 5.0 but very disappointed in it.
Autos need a tune. I've been 11.81 on stock converter and stock 3.15's with 11.7x coming in cooler weather. My car is no turd by any stretch.
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I felt the auto car's stock tuning was like swimming in marshmallow cream, definitely.

In stock-ish form the auto can't hold a candle to a stick car, based on what I've seen. Tuned is another story.
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Autos need a tune. I've been 11.81 on stock converter and stock 3.15's with 11.7x coming in cooler weather. My car is no turd by any stretch.
11.80. Heck no. No turd there boss. I have an automatic as well and no doubt my v6 was faster than the one I test drove.
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I test drove a 2013 GT, automatic with 3:15 gears and was very disappointed in the acceleration of this one. Certainly not bad but I was expecting the second coming of Jesus and compared to my modded 11 V6 have no doubt I could run faster 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile faster than the one I test drove. I'm sure it had to be one faulty 5.0 but very disappointed in it. Sucks to be the owner of that one I tested.
^ same here. I did 0-60 on a 2014 GT with 3.73 using track apps. the dealer was tryna sell me bragging about the power. I could only get it down to 5.1 sec. I love the sound and I'm sure with a simple tune and boltons it would demolish a lot of cars but I expecting 4.4 - 4.3. my procharged 3.7 runs 4.1. my expectations were a bit to high I guess. now if I procharged a 5.0 that would be a different story but I didn't think it was worth it. I coulda drove a faulty one also.
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Traded my 2012 v6 pp car in after only having it for one year exactly. FOR A REASON! The learn down (adaptive learning) is WAY worse on the v6 than the v8
The premium cars have MY KEY which can limit all kids of things rpm, speed, radio volume ect. Wouldn't surprise me if when on a test drive the salesman gave you the "TURD" key.
This is what my sales man looked like!
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Old 08-08-2013, 06:03 PM   #35
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That sucks frankly, if 5.1 was your best on a 3.73 MT car. I got my loaded 3.73 car first time out on cold pavement in February, 4.5 seconds, done and dusted. When it warmed up and I ditched the crap factory upper for the Roush piece to tame the ridiculous wheel hop, low 4s every time, for what its worth.

It took a shop-sponsored 3.7 with a big Procharger to run with my stock GT + Procal at the track. It was pretty much fender racing, every time, even though he eventually got the car trapping at ~118. Why the heck you wouldn't just buy a GT and be done, if you're going to shovel money like that at the V6, is beyond me.
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