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Old 08-26-2013, 08:04 PM   #36
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Nice anxious to see what it puts down i heard of stock 5.0s putting down anywhere from 360 - 400 stock.
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Food for thought. My TP 2014 with no engine mods put down 389.9/391 on a dynojet on saturday. 45 minutes later a cali special with 3.73 no engine mods put done 364/358. Again, not saying the TP has a different tune by any means and i no how different some of these cars dyno. Needless to say i was very pleased with my numbers.
Dunno if it makes a difference, but was the Cali special a 11-12?? I know there's a slight bump in engine hp on the 13-14 which may have played a slight factor
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no 13 man I was surprised the owner was pissed hahaha
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No one has been able to consistently demonstrate the 8 hp boost on the 13-14s, no matter what Ford says. 8 hp could easily be within any dyno's margin of error.

Dragstrip dynoed mine at 438 FWHP....So, the Procal did apparently help. According to my e/t, I'm using 430 of them so, I'm close to maxed out on this combo.
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Food for thought. My TP 2014 with no engine mods put down 389.9/391 on a dynojet on saturday. 45 minutes later a cali special with 3.73 no engine mods put done 364/358. Again, not saying the TP has a different tune by any means and i no how different some of these cars dyno. Needless to say i was very pleased with my numbers.
Do you have sheets? You said stock engine - have you replaced the wheels and tires? Altering the weight and overall height has a much larger impact than you might think. Are the TP and CS running the same overall tire height? Were both cars running known good fuel, and had been for a while? If you run anything but premium the ECU will ****** the timing and knock off about 20 crank HP.
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Do you have sheets? You said stock engine - have you replaced the wheels and tires? Altering the weight and overall height has a much larger impact than you might think. Are the TP and CS running the same overall tire height? Were both cars running known good fuel, and had been for a while? If you run anything but premium the ECU will ****** the timing and knock off about 20 crank HP.
Both running 93 octane gas .stock brembo tires and wheels on mine. He had the stock cs wheels and tires.

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I can't wait to get mine dyno'd. Curious to see what it's putting out.
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How much do shops usually charge for a dyno run or two?
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How much do shops usually charge for a dyno run or two?
This was done at wicked motorsports in Tom's river nj. They had a dyno day and carshow. 45 included two pulls food and entry to the car show. Couldn't pass up a deal like that!
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Joey, it's far more likely that you have a factory freak, like others have said I'm fairly sure there is no difference in engine management, only in advance trac tuning
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I wonder what it could be, my dyno results were also abnormally high with just a canned tune... I wonder if it would be a significant difference after adding a Boss IM??
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Joey, it's far more likely that you have a factory freak, like others have said I'm fairly sure there is no difference in engine management, only in advance trac tuning
Agreed I believe the tune is the same as well .and like we've seen the hp numbers vary from car to car for sure. I'll take my freak and be happy lol.
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next step is stick that freak down the track and see if the numbers bear out in reality. I have seen a surprising range of delivered MPH performance from stock cars, personally, at the dragstrip.
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You'd be happier, if ya lost that premium Extra Weight package My 13 TP weighs almost 100 lbs less then your typical premium GT. and pulled a 12.6 STOCK on the P Zeros.

Dont think the engine runs any more HP , But the suspension and more aggressive get out of the hole goodies these TP cars come with, Are a really nice combo. ~~~~~ ~~~~~

Ford should of included the GT 500 muffs as part of the track paks upgrades. The car is too dam quiet and all I hear are the tires and wind when the windows are up or down. Ford Racing GT Axlebacks going on very soon

Oh yea, I see many of you include description in upgrades, and very proud of your 15% window tint.

Try the 20%,
it Weighs less lol
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You'd be happier, if ya lost that premium Extra Weight package My 13 TP weighs almost 100 lbs less then your typical premium GT. and pulled a 12.6 STOCK on the P Zeros.

Dont think the engine runs any more HP , But the suspension and more aggressive get out of the hole goodies these TP cars come with, Are a really nice combo. ~~~~~ ~~~~~

Ford should of included the GT 500 muffs as part of the track paks upgrades. The car is too dam quiet and all I hear are the tires and wind when the windows are up or down. Ford Racing GT Axlebacks going on very soon

Oh yea, I see many of you include description in upgrades, and very proud of your 15% window tint.

Try the 20%,
it Weighs less lol
Where are you saving 100lbs?
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I'm not sure if it amounts to 100lbs or not, but a few differences between base and premium:
-seats (leather vs cloth)
-sound system (your shaker 500 vs the stock with no sub)
-maybe some of the electronics, like the GPS unit
-Glass roof/sunroof vs the standard roof

One of the reasons i opted for the base is both the savings in cash and weight, and I also opted out of the sound deadening tar stuff they were going to apply to my undercarriage. I figure, any little bit helps, but I'm sure others will disagree.
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You'd be happier, if ya lost that premium Extra Weight package My 13 TP weighs almost 100 lbs less then your typical premium GT. and pulled a 12.6 STOCK on the P Zeros.

Dont think the engine runs any more HP , But the suspension and more aggressive get out of the hole goodies these TP cars come with, Are a really nice combo. ~~~~~ ~~~~~

Ford should of included the GT 500 muffs as part of the track paks upgrades. The car is too dam quiet and all I hear are the tires and wind when the windows are up or down. Ford Racing GT Axlebacks going on very soon

Oh yea, I see many of you include description in upgrades, and very proud of your 15% window tint.

Try the 20%,
it Weighs less lol
Good point with the weight savings and what not. But to me it was worth the extra 100 lbs to get the bells and whistles which i find myself using on a daily basis. Believe it or not i don't run my car a 1/4 mile at a time!
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I'm not sure if it amounts to 100lbs or not, but a few differences between base and premium:
-seats (leather vs cloth)
-sound system (your shaker 500 vs the stock with no sub)
-maybe some of the electronics, like the GPS unit
-Glass roof/sunroof vs the standard roof

One of the reasons i opted for the base is both the savings in cash and weight, and I also opted out of the sound deadening tar stuff they were going to apply to my undercarriage. I figure, any little bit helps, but I'm sure others will disagree.
Everything is a trade off, I like the premium in the premium.
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Everything is a trade off, I like the premium in the premium.
I agree. Keep the 40lbs weight loss. My steering wheel isn't plastic and I can tell my car what to do. It's great
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And dont forget, All that WIRING to run those extra stereo speakers ,My Sync, Power motors in those Heavy Leather Seats, Extra computer stuff and those sub equipped door panels, and added trim. It adds up quick

But Big Deal
The 2015 is said to have dropped 400 lbs and push 450HP


SIGN ME UP !!!




No wonder Ford Dumped the Boss
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And dont forget, All that WIRING to run those extra stereo speakers ,My Sync, Power motors in those Heavy Leather Seats, Extra computer stuff and those sub equipped door panels, and added trim. It adds up quick

But Big Deal
The 2015 is said to have dropped 400 lbs and push 450HP

SIGN ME UP !!!

No wonder Ford Dumped the Boss
Speaker wire is pretty heavy. I do agree that the 2015 is going to be a monster though.
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Whenever you have a higher geared rearend you will see less hp on the dyno because the drivetrain is turning more rpm's so you see alittle loss of hp but on the street you will feel the the car is much faster,dyno's are great for tuning but driving in the real world you will feel the diffferance.
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My loaded premium '12 GT weighs 3765 with me in it and 1/2 a tank. I'm a buck-fifty so, the car is a little over 3600 pounds which ain't too bad.

Don't bet on the GT being 400 pounds lighter. You can bet Ford is saying 400 down for the ecoboost 4 cyl model. Once you beef everything up for the GT, the weight loss will likely be a lot less.

Remember Chevy saying the Z28 was 400 pounds lighter...than the ZL1 with a frickin' supercharger. The SS was a lot closer to the Z28 and had all the nice comfort options.
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http://blog.americanmuscle.com/break...t-improve-mpg/

According to the above article on AM's blog, which also appeared in auto week I believe, the 2015 GT is to be 400 lbs lighter than the outgoing GT
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I shall believe it when I see it. Everybody's got too much of a vested interest in creating a buzz around this new car for me to take anything at face value this early on. Hope you're right as, it'd be the first time I'd seen weight going in the right direction on a new full production model of a extant car.
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I shall believe it when I see it. Everybody's got too much of a vested interest in creating a buzz around this new car for me to take anything at face value this early on. Hope you're right as, it'd be the first time I'd seen weight going in the right direction on a new full production model of a extant car.
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We'll need to have several 13' 14' TP cars Dyno'd to provide solid proof of additional HP. Obviously one dyno stat sheet isn't enough.

Clearly there IS a difference other than suspension and rear end. Only thing that would make sense, if that proves to be the case, would be the stock tune. Again, oil weight that's almost 3x thicker than stock would noticeably slow the car down from a stock GT without TP. Yet, the TP is noticeably faster. I would also imagine timing would be different. Something in there is different for sure and we will get to the bottom of it eventually.

As far as real world translation, that's a whole other can of worms my friend. Down the strip, add in 100 other variables due to driver error or inexperience, track conditions, etc.

HPower shown on the dyno is real world power. The car puts out what it puts out. Men lie women lie, numbers don't lie.
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You guys are over estimating the effects of oil Windage on a motor. The cold or "winter" viscosity is the higher of the 2 numbers, 20 and 50 for the standard and track pack respectively. However once the motor reaches proper operating temp, both oils have a viscosity of 5. Therefore this is no difference in viscosity.
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You guys are over estimating the effects of oil Windage on a motor. The cold or "winter" viscosity is the higher of the 2 numbers, 20 and 50 for the standard and track pack respectively. However once the motor reaches proper operating temp, both oils have a viscosity of 5. Therefore this is no difference in viscosity.
Over that. Grabber Blue, seriously? 50weight oil is like mud, 20 weight is as thin as water. Naaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh! That makes no difference. When the car warms up it's the saaaaame no big deal
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Over that. Grabber Blue, seriously? 50weight oil is like mud, 20 weight is as thin as water. Naaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh! That makes no difference. When the car warms up it's the saaaaame no big deal
I think I sense a little sarcasm haha. There's also just a hint of exaggeration in there.

Yea there is a difference in the oil weight when cold but at normal operating temp they stabilize to the same effective viscosity. If the 5w50 was truly "thick as mud" or even a relative amount thicker it would cause premature wear on the motor and would mess up oil pressures and tivct and on and on.
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Well ackchulee, the first # is the cold temp pour point viscosity and the second number corresponds to the performance at 210 degrees, or engine operating temp.

So, 5W50 performs like 5W at low temps but at 210 degrees it's still performing like 50.
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Well ackchulee, the first # is the cold temp pour point viscosity and the second number corresponds to the performance at 210 degrees, or engine operating temp.

So, 5W50 performs like 5W at low temps but at 210 degrees it's still performing like 50.
So oil thickens as it warms up? How so?
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:31 AM   #68
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Um, no, of course not. 5W50 retains its performance like straight 50 weight at operating temperature (210) but also retains the ability to flow like 5 weight at low temps (0). This is the key to multi weight oil popularity. It doesn't gel in the sump like a 50 weight oil would and blow the **** out of your motor on a winter morning.

This is also why there's such a mega additive package needed in multiweight oil.

Everybody seems to love Amsoil, here's their explanation, if you don't believe me.

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Old 08-30-2013, 10:38 AM   #69
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So oil thickens as it warms up? How so?
Oil weight does not change. A 5w is a 5w but, due to the additives put in the oil it performs at a higher weight. Pour point additives (vi) coil up when cold, when warmed to 210, they unwind causing the oil to flow slower same as a higher weight oil would.
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Ok, fair enough, now I'm up to speed on how oil works... But I still believe that there is an overestimation on how much power is drained by oil Windage.
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