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Old 08-16-2013, 10:42 PM   #1
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Is the Track Pack tuned differntly?

Ok, before I get the typical "the search engine is your friend" reply, let me start by saying I've been searching now for a couple of hours and have only found bits and pieces. Lol. So please help.

I have a 2013 GT/BBP/Track Pack

I have read a few blurbs that the Track Pack option includes a more aggressive tune. Some have stated that it is basically the FRPP tune.

Responses to other guys asking this question have been mixed with no supporting evidence either way. Either it's someone knocking it because they have a custom tune or would hate to think the Track Pack tune is better than their stock GT tune. Or, it's a Track Pack guy saying they defiantly feel a difference.

The only support I can give is I test drove four standard GT's before I drove one with the Track Pack option. To me, it was obvious there was a little difference. It wasn't much but it definitely had a little more pep. It wasn't a placebo effect either because other that the track pack apps I didn't know there were any other differences.

Anyway, any evidence pointing one way or another would greatly be appreciated.

According to my computer I ran a 13.0 @ 112 on stock tires and on..... Well lets just say I wasn't at a track. And that was with traction control on. Not too bad I don't think. One day I'll make it track if I ever get home.

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As far as I am aware, no. The same basic tune is applied to each 5.0 from ford. What you might be feeling is the trackpack's firmer stock suspension, but engine-wise it should be about the same.

...if you want to see a big difference, go get an aftermarket tune. It's a much meaner car.
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I had a 2010 Track Pack, and in the options it stated to have a "unique" tune. That was the word the literature contained. Nobody could ever tell me what that meant either, but a tune wasnt mentioned on any other optioned car that year. Only the track pack made mention of a tune. Has to be something there
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I had a 2010 Track Pack, and in the options it stated to have a "unique" tune. That was the word the literature contained. Nobody could ever tell me what that meant either, but a tune wasnt mentioned on any other optioned car that year. Only the track pack made mention of a tune. Has to be something there
You're a little confused. The Track Pack wasn't offered until 2013. Heck the 2010 has a 3v motor.
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You're a little confused.....http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test.

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And I don't believe he stated he had a 4v motor?
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Touché, good info
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You're a little confused. The Track Pack wasn't offered until 2013. Heck the 2010 has a 3v motor.
Had the car built. You couldn't add a spoiler, stripe or any extra body piece to the track pack in 2010. It did have to start out a premium model so the interior was nice.
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Bullseye, TP was an option on the 10s, replaced by the BBP in 11-12.

As to the tune no, Ford can't have variable tunes on the same car, that would be an emissions regulatory nightmare for a manufacturer. Different car, like Boss or Shelby, sure but, not the same car with an option package.
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13 14 Track Pack is different from the older ones. We know for a fact that it has quite a few upgraded suspension parts, like GT500 LCA, that 10-12 doesn't have the ford does NOT disclose. A more aggressive tune wouldn't be too far fetched but how would we know for certain? Feels noticeably faster than a 10-12 stock GT. 13 14 GT all have a more aggressive tune than 10-12.
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I guess this falls under the nobody knows for sure category. I'm surprised someone hasn't pulled the stock tunes from a GT and BBP/Track Pack as looked to see if their was a difference.
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It's a mystery. You only need to test drive one to figure out that it's quicker than regular GT. that can be due to 3.73 and suspension mods. I would imagine it's a different tune. Engine uses a different oil weight 5w-50. Would they tune it differently to account for that I wonder. I'm no engine specialist but I would assume that would make a difference with timing, etc. Again, I'm not certain, I just know that it aint stock, has different parts than the 11-12 GT and who knows what else.

Would be nice of Ford to let us know......(hint)....
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It's straight up quicker and faster because all the factory performance stuff is on there. Gears, suspension, etc. A lot of it makes the car feel faster because it's more connected and direct, rather than being really faster.

It's just not realistic that Ford would go through the trouble of uniquely certifying a car for emissions, noise regs, durability testing, etc. for an option package worth a couple grand. That's just not how OEMs work.
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It's straight up quicker and faster because all the factory performance stuff is on there. Gears, suspension, etc. A lot of it makes the car feel faster because it's more connected and direct, rather than being really faster.

It's just not realistic that Ford would go through the trouble of uniquely certifying a car for emissions, noise regs, durability testing, etc. for an option package worth a couple grand. That's just not how OEMs work.
Makes perfect sense.
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Makes perfect sense.
It does. I do know it had unique Advancetrac tuning. Mabe that is what they were referring to. Perhaps sport mode let you push it a little further before reeling you in
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^^^ I believe track pack cars have unique "tuning" for the traction and stability control, not the engine. Probably to compensate for the wider, R-compound tires.
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It's probably the same AT "tuning" as the BBP cars got. All it does is allow slightly greater slip angles and wheelspin before interfering. Plus you can select the steering assist level, if it's the same as the BBP setup.
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I gave this some more thought today:

The other cars you've driven, were they .373? I believe all trackpack 13-14's are .373, so that might account for that feeling of a stronger acceleration...

Otherwise, I dunno.
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I gave this some more thought today:

The other cars you've driven, were they .373? I believe all trackpack 13-14's are .373, so that might account for that feeling of a stronger acceleration...

Otherwise, I dunno.
That may be all it was, and it sold me.
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http://youtu.be/PX_c9h8t91E

Don't know how reputable the source is on that video but difference between stock GT and track pack feels AT LEAST that much faster.
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You can't possible ascribe any veracity to that video. It's so open to bias on so many levels. Right away, it's using factory instruments which aren't worth a damn for accuracy, there's no way to tell how the cars are being driven, gearing, weather, etc. etc.

Internet bull**** of the highest order.
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You can't possible ascribe any veracity to that video. It's so open to bias on so many levels. Right away, it's using factory instruments which aren't worth a damn for accuracy, there's no way to tell how the cars are being driven, gearing, weather, etc. etc.

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I'll happily stack up my '12 BBP bloat-load car against anybody's Track Pack and we can have some fun figuring this out...I'll even take the Procal tune off, lol
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I see the hateration comes quickly from those without it. Grumble grumble.....it's the same as this...that.....stock....bakes....grumble grumble grumble.....don't really know for sure just talking out my @$$........grumble grumble....passing along rampant misinformation....grumble grumble ....not better than my car without the TP in anyway....grumble grumble.

Chill out. TP doesn't turn the car into a Shelby or Boss302. No reason to hate your brothers. Those of us who have it want to upgrade and customize like everyone else and want to know what's actually done to it so far as a starting point so we know what/where to start.

Common sense alone tells me that going from piss 0w20 oil weight to 5w50 syrup will slow down the car significantly if both were on the same tune. Bigger accessories on the drive belt? If so that would also slow it down. Therefore, highly unlikely that it's running the same tune. Don't take my word for it. Drain your 0w20 and pour some Lucas oil in there, then say goodbye to a good 50hp. Lol.

Please feel free to offer a different take on that, but don't make it sound like your "thoughts" are concrete facts unless you somehow have upgraded yours or have some other experience and know for certain the info you are passing along is factual.

I have heard everything from people with it saying it has extra HP to people without it saying it's the same suspension as the stock GT or Brembo Package suspension, advancetrac. And none of it without any proof to back it up.

I wonder if American Muscle or one of the other shops have gotten their hands on a 13' or 14' track package and gone over it? I would gladly donate mine for a few days but I'm far far away from PA.

The video in my previous post feels about right, based on my personal experience test driving GTs. The TP accelerates noticeably faster than a stock GT w/3:23 3:35 and 3:73 gearing. That's a fact. I don't know how reputable that video is, just a youtube video after all, but it seems to be right to me.

I have read what I could and watched what videos I found on the Track Pack and the only good info out there is on the suspension from Dirty Hippo Racing. Read this write up below if you have not already done so:

http://dirtyhipporacing.com/2013/02/...y-part-number/


After reading that article you can understand why I am looking for better info on the rest of the car setup. It's not the same as the 11-12 Track Pack, not the same as the Brembo Brake Pack, and I'll say it one more time it's not the same as stock. It has differences here and there and could possibly be different all together in some aspects.

On a different note, I did find one video that seriously pissed me off. We all know the car has this issue but the pricing he used is way off. The guy is counting thousands in solely cosmetic upgrades in a performance test. Shame on you fat boy. That big green jacket ain't hiding your man boobs. Hopefully Ford just gives these guys the Boss next time. Watch if you will below:

http://youtu.be/dtmku2Lw5es
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Adding vagueness to this is the mystery 8 hp the 13-14 GTs are supposed to get anyway.

Either way, I was determined to buy as much factory performance as was available for 2012 cars. Hence the 3.73s, the MT, the BBP, the HID headlights. I've never once regretted buying that stuff, as I got all the options at a pretty discounted price. I recommend everyone not planning a ground up build to do the same; it's totally worth it.
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I see the hateration comes quickly from those without it. Grumble grumble.....it's the same as this...that.....stock....bakes....grumble grumble grumble.....don't really know for sure just talking out my @$$........grumble grumble....passing along rampant misinformation....grumble grumble ....not better than my car without the TP in anyway....grumble grumble.
Not really sure where your rant comes from but 5LHO is one of the most mechanically knowledgeable people I've met on many forums, including the most tech heavy S197 mustang forum.
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Here's the sum of my way of thinking:

Ford wants to make a track pack upgrade for the 'stang, to help it compete.

Easy stuff is Track-pack specific suspension components, maybe some bracing because they don't require rigorous government-mandated testing to include.

They've already got a substantive and positively received BBP package in the pipeline so slap that on too.

Add in the other specifics that are mostly transfers from another production vehicle, the Boss 302 and, you've got a smoking hot cheap-to-make deal that the kids'll love and provides a good profit margin for the mother corp, even at low price levels.

Now, the engine. Well, that's a big hassle to change around, as every engine change would require emissions recert. and engine durability testing and fuel economy certification. They've already dealt with the tune and calibration changes for the 13-14s anyway so, it is unlikely they're going to do a specific one-off for a few thousand cars at best.

BBP cars on the take report say that this setup has not been massively bought anyway so, they have that info and they have to keep that in mind when cost of R&D is considered.

That's just what comes up when I put my corporate hat on and think about it from their perspective. I could be wrong and if someone can find evidence I am and that there is a Track-Pack specific tune on the car, I'll love that even more than if I am right, because that's would make me even happier I bought Ford, if they do stuff like that without a fuss.

One of the things I've noticed at the track is there is a pretty broad range of performance from these cars. Mph on successful passes as low as 103 to a high of about 112 for the stockers. That's a big difference for a proddy car.
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I had better ET's last night with my base gt w/ 3.31's than a guy driving a track pack w/ 3.73's. I have a tune of course but traction was my biggest issue and he had no problems since he was running slicks. Maybe he just can't drive.
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That's a variable you can't control for, that's for sure.
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Yeaa just nice knowing that I beat him lol
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I've happily beaten Boss 302s, GT 500s, Camaro SSs, Vettes, turbo Porsches, etc. by simply being sharper on the tree and being able to maximise what I have. That's the biggest factor, no matter what your drive.

Of course, I have had my *** handed to me a lot of times, too; that's just part of the game.
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I've gotta agree that there is no way there is a tune difference in the Track Pack and normal cars. Like others said, it's the stiffer suspension and 3.73 gears that make it faster.

If there were any shred of truth to there being a unique PCM tune on the TP cars, we would see dyno charts all over the place showing their higher numbers. Well, here we are 2-3 years down the line from Track Pack availability and I have yet to see any single dyno (two cars, same day, same dyno, same gears, same tire height) showing such. Why, because it's simply not possible for all of the reasons stated above. If you think it's even a remote possibility, I encourage you to look at the hassle Ford went through with the Track Key for the Boss models. Availability was delayed for about a year due to CARB certification issues. I can't imagine Ford would have subjected themselves to this hassle again after learning that lesson once.
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I think I know what you're talking about. The TC/ESC on the Track Pack and Brembo cars is different from that of the standard GT and it relates to the upgraded suspension parts in them.

I saw it listed as "Unique Electronic Stability Control® (ESC) Tuning"
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look at the window sticker,says same engine and hp. I have a boss and tried the track key,to me waste of money,had more low end torque but didn't raise any hp. After market tune is much better.
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Food for thought. My TP 2014 with no engine mods put down 389.9/391 on a dynojet on saturday. 45 minutes later a cali special with 3.73 no engine mods put done 364/358. Again, not saying the TP has a different tune by any means and i no how different some of these cars dyno. Needless to say i was very pleased with my numbers.
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Old 08-26-2013, 08:00 PM   #35
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Food for thought. My TP 2014 with no engine mods put down 389.9/391 on a dynojet on saturday. 45 minutes later a cali special with 3.73 no engine mods put done 364/358. Again, not saying the TP has a different tune by any means and i no how different some of these cars dyno. Needless to say i was very pleased with my numbers.
Thanks for sharing. I will run mine on the dyno as soon as I get a chance. I will post my numbers as well.

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Food for thought. My TP 2014 with no engine mods put down 389.9/391 on a dynojet on saturday. 45 minutes later a cali special with 3.73 no engine mods put done 364/358. Again, not saying the TP has a different tune by any means and i no how different some of these cars dyno. Needless to say i was very pleased with my numbers.
Thanks for sharing. I will post my numbers as well soon as I can get it on the dyno.
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