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Old 08-25-2013, 10:07 PM   #1
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Header install know a major problem

So I installed long tube headers on my car during the weekend. I did it in my garage on jack stands. Took me 17 hours total from start to finish over 3 days. Got it all complete, then was lifting car up with jack to get out jack stands. And the jack slips, dropping my car. It landed on the head of the jack directly in the middle of the oil pan. Basically smashing the pan flat. I then tried to crank the motor. It starts up fine but has a bad ticking noise almost sounds like a lifter ticking. But I think I might of smashed my oil pick up tube in the oil pan. Does anyone know if it in the sump part of the pan or not. If so I hope that is the problem. Like its not sending any oil to the lifters making them tick real bad. Other than that I have no clue what it could be. I've orded a new pan from AM allready. Does anyone have any ideas?
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Could it maybe an exhaust leak. I'm sure you checked all that but had to ask
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Well I haven't checked any bolts yet but I double checked each one when installing I know there all really tight. I did reuse my old stock header gasket. Hope that's not the problem. I don't think it's a leak. I can hear it all around my engine bay. Not just in any particular spot
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You cant run an engine with a smashed oil pan and pick up. replace the pan and pick up, fill it with fresh oil, check for oil leaks, then check for the exhaust leaks!
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Yeah do what he says
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Are you sure the crankshaft isn't hitting the pan?
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Old 08-26-2013, 05:25 AM   #7
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I wouldn't even crank it until I got the oil pan fixed. Before the oil pan get there, I would go ahead and take the old one off and check to see what all is damaged. Dang bro, sorry to hear that.
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I wouldn't even crank it until I got the oil pan fixed. Before the oil pan get there, I would go ahead and take the old one off and check to see what all is damaged. Dang bro, sorry to hear that.
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I had ticking after header install.. U will hear every engine noise differently now since u don't have those heavy cast iron exhaust manifolds anymore.. Once my headers were on for a while the ticking stopped.. U may want to eventually replace ur oil pan but that's not ur ticking issue.
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I had ticking after header install.. U will hear every engine noise differently now since u don't have those heavy cast iron exhaust manifolds anymore.. Once my headers were on for a while the ticking stopped.. U may want to eventually replace ur oil pan but that's not ur ticking issue.
Well my pan was pushed up about 4-5 inches. I'm thinking that I broke the pick up tube and its not getting oil. Didn't have it running long enough to check to see if I had oil pressure or not. If its a gasket leak from the header can I try to just tighten the bolts more or do I have to pull headers and replace gaskets? I used my factory gaskets not the ones supplied by bbk. I've heard they have a tendency to leak. Hope I don't have to pull them back off. Pain in the a##.
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I would have changed the gaskets.. Whether it being new factory ford or the aftermarket ones
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I would absolutely replace the oil pan and check for damage while its off. I'm actually kinda surprised you cranked your motor with it pushed in that far, that's asking for trouble
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Are you sure the crankshaft isn't hitting the pan?
This is what i think it is. Change pan and any other damaged parts.

And this is another reason to have a professional install if you do not have a lift or the right tools.

Real sorry to here you damaged your Stang.
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Well I had all the right tools and equipment to do the job. Just a freak accident. But has anyone ever pulled the oil pan off there stang. It's almost impossible to do it with out dropping the k member. They say to raise the motor up about 5-6 inches. But I find that impossible to do. Stuck. And super aggravated. Guess your right I may have to take to the dealer and let them rip me off of several hindered bucks over a stupid oil pan. They quoted me 575 for labor. With me supplying parts. Rip off
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Well I had all the right tools and equipment to do the job. Just a freak accident. But has anyone ever pulled the oil pan off there stang. It's almost impossible to do it with out dropping the k member. They say to raise the motor up about 5-6 inches. But I find that impossible to do. Stuck. And super aggravated. Guess your right I may have to take to the dealer and let them rip me off of several hindered bucks over a stupid oil pan. They quoted me 575 for labor. With me supplying parts. Rip off
If you can change headers an oil pan is nothing. Just replace the gasket when installing the new one.
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I tried to pull the pan. But it will not come out without raiding the motor super high. I raised it as high as I could but would not go up any more due to the tranny. Still needed about 3 more inches. So I guess I'll just take it in
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I tried to pull the pan. But it will not come out without raiding the motor super high. I raised it as high as I could but would not go up any more due to the tranny. Still needed about 3 more inches. So I guess I'll just take it in
I think you need to drop the k member to change it.
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Rip off, took you 17 hours to do headers.
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This is from another thread talking about a boss oil pan swap on a 5.0 They were summarizing the instructions from the Ford Online Service Manual:
" the workship manual instructions have you lift the engine from above by an inch and drop the crossmember by two inches. Without the extra three inches, it looks like the pan won't tilt down far enough to clear the bottom of the bell housing and the oil pickup so you can slide it to the rear and remove it."

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