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Old 10-16-2013, 08:27 PM   #1
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Want to lower my car! Need Help!

I have 2014 gt and I want to lower it. My buddy has lowering springs from his 13 that he traded in. Can I just use the lowering springs or do I need other parts as well?
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Camber plates . You will need them. There are lots of threads here that tell you all the parts needed if you want to do it right . Good luck with ur setup.
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Camber plates, or gt500 strut mounts. The stock mounts are not reusable and must be replaced. You have the option of getting gt500 mounts with camber bolts, or just get a nice set of cc plates, like the maximum motorsports or steedas. You may also need an adjustable panhard bar, as the rear will tend to shift when you lower the car. If you want to do it correctly, you will also need an adjustable UCA to correct your pinion angle.

Lcas and relo brackets will also help with wheelhop, since after you drop the car, the stock lcas will be off, and angled up, essentially floating the rear tire. Relo brackets will correct the lca angle, and plant the tire down.

IMO, if you're going to lower the car, do it right the first time. You will also want to look into new shocks and struts. As the stock dampeners will ride like crap if lowered, and probably wont last all that long.

Technically you can lower it without all those extra parts, but you will still have a weak, out of spec setup, terrible riding vehicle. Some will disagree with me im sure, but I've experienced both setups in person. Hence the reason I've done all supporting mods on my car.
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Throwing in my $0.02 but I would argue the camber plates depending on the amount of drop you are going to do. I am running the Roush Suspension kit and did not need camber plates or bolts. However that is about an inch drop all the way around so my guess is anymore then they would be necessary. If you are going for performance then I agree with Evil2014GT, you will need all that stuff. If you are going strictly for looks then you can get away with just springs, struts, and an adjustable panhard bar. Your rear end will kick out no matter what and you need to get that centered. Good luck with your setup, hope this helps.
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I have a Brembo car with the Eibach Pro-Kit. I am buying new tires up front because my tires wore out. I've been told the Camber Bolts will bring the alignment within spec. Anyone else use just the camber bolts?
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I have 2014 gt and I want to lower it. My buddy has lowering springs from his 13 that he traded in. Can I just use the lowering springs or do I need other parts as well?
If you are lowering more than 1 1/2" you will need camber plates and pan hard rod. If you are not lowering more than 1 1/2" camber bolts and the pan hard rod is all you need.
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Ok thanks for all the help!!!
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Camber plates, or gt500 strut mounts. The stock mounts are not reusable and must be replaced. You have the option of getting gt500 mounts with camber bolts, or just get a nice set of cc plates, like the maximum motorsports or steedas. You may also need an adjustable panhard bar, as the rear will tend to shift when you lower the car. If you want to do it correctly, you will also need an adjustable UCA to correct your pinion angle. Lcas and relo brackets will also help with wheelhop, since after you drop the car, the stock lcas will be off, and angled up, essentially floating the rear tire. Relo brackets will correct the lca angle, and plant the tire down. IMO, if you're going to lower the car, do it right the first time. You will also want to look into new shocks and struts. As the stock dampeners will ride like crap if lowered, and probably wont last all that long. Technically you can lower it without all those extra parts, but you will still have a weak, out of spec setup, terrible riding vehicle. Some will disagree with me im sure, but I've experienced both setups in person. Hence the reason I've done all supporting mods on my car.
Is there any company that sells allllll this as a kit? That would make my life a lot easier since I'm looking too wet my car as well.
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Is there any company that sells allllll this as a kit? That would make my life a lot easier since I'm looking too wet my car as well.
Pm jayman33, he'll put you a good kit together.
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Pm jayman33, he'll put you a good kit together.
Ford racing has a good complete selection for most Mustangs. For example:
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=23039
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I'd personally stay away from a single company suspension kit. Ford makes some decent springs (not hard to do) but they're dampers... along with Eibach are poor at best. They actually have a hard time supporting their own springs. Yes, better than stuff but there is much better out there, and at a better price.
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Look into Steeda for sway bars and such. Their argument of having welded ends versus the industry standard of stamped ends really is interesting. And they're not priced too badly.
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Can I just get camber bolts? Instead of plates?
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Can I just get camber bolts? Instead of plates?
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Camber plates, or gt500 strut mounts. The stock mounts are not reusable and must be replaced. You have the option of getting gt500 mounts with camber bolts, or just get a nice set of cc plates, like the maximum motorsports or steedas. You may also need an adjustable panhard bar, as the rear will tend to shift when you lower the car. If you want to do it correctly, you will also need an adjustable UCA to correct your pinion angle.

Lcas and relo brackets will also help with wheelhop, since after you drop the car, the stock lcas will be off, and angled up, essentially floating the rear tire. Relo brackets will correct the lca angle, and plant the tire down.

IMO, if you're going to lower the car, do it right the first time. You will also want to look into new shocks and struts. As the stock dampeners will ride like crap if lowered, and probably wont last all that long.

Technically you can lower it without all those extra parts, but you will still have a weak, out of spec setup, terrible riding vehicle. Some will disagree with me im sure, but I've experienced both setups in person. Hence the reason I've done all supporting mods on my car.


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Throwing in my $0.02 but I would argue the camber plates depending on the amount of drop you are going to do. I am running the Roush Suspension kit and did not need camber plates or bolts. However that is about an inch drop all the way around so my guess is anymore then they would be necessary. If you are going for performance then I agree with Evil2014GT, you will need all that stuff. If you are going strictly for looks then you can get away with just springs, struts, and an adjustable panhard bar. Your rear end will kick out no matter what and you need to get that centered. Good luck with your setup, hope this helps.


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If you are lowering more than 1 1/2" you will need camber plates and pan hard rod. If you are not lowering more than 1 1/2" camber bolts and the pan hard rod is all you need.
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Admittedly I don't have direct experience with the Ford racing suspension, though I am considering it and will research it more before I make any decision. At the end of the day i like to see a well engineered "system" that's been proven to work on the track, like Ford did with the Boss 302. There are a lot of guys who hack a way bit by bit without a full understanding of the ramifications of each component (like changing springs to lower the car but not changing the panhard bar so your rear wheels are not aligned and not being able to get a good front alignment wihout adding the adjustable camber plates). However, if you really know what your doing, then going about it piecemeal is perfectly fine as it always depends on your objectives, street,strip, road course, or just plain looks (and there's nothing wrong with that as long as you don't really screw up the handling and start wearing tires,etc).

I stole the quote below from American Muscle's suspension 101 series which is a pretty good guidline covering all the basics.

Panhard Bar

When changing from a four-link suspension to a three-link suspension, Ford used a panhard bar. This change results in an additional consideration for owners of these cars. With a panhard bar, as the rear axle rises and falls, movement is in a slight arc instead of completely vertical. This arc also comes into play as the car is lowered, and the result is that the rear end will shift slightly to one side as the car is lowered. The solution to this shift, is an adjustable panhard bar to replace the fixed length factory bar. This allows the rear end to be properly centered again, once the vehicle is lowered.

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Yes, getting the basics from AM is fine but that's about all you'll get. Don't know of many competitions they've won, or any remarks on road racing. If you want details concerning each part, go to a company that does a lot with suspensions, I typically relate this comment to tuning as well.
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Yes, getting the basics from AM is fine but that's about all you'll get. Don't know of many competitions they've won, or any remarks on road racing. If you want details concerning each part, go to a company that does a lot with suspensions, I typically relate this comment to tuning as well.
Im happy with my setup, but I wish i knew about jayman33's shop before i bought it all. I probably could have saved alot of money and headaches hahaha. I did do a lot of research before buying, and ended up with what i wanted, but really all it would have taken was a PM to jayman. Even though, personally, i have always received excellent customer service from AM, there were quite a few questions they could not answer with 100% certainty when ordering a few of my suspension parts, which is why i ended up buying alot of it from Maximum motorsports. They do have fairly knowledgeable associates, but they have a pretty broad spectrum of info, and are not what I would consider "experts" on any one specific. Going with someone like jayman33, i would feel very comfortable with his ability to give me the correct info.
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Im happy with my setup, but I wish i knew about jayman33's shop before i bought it all. I probably could have saved alot of money and headaches hahaha. I did do a lot of research before buying, and ended up with what i wanted, but really all it would have taken was a PM to jayman. Even though, personally, i have always received excellent customer service from AM, there were quite a few questions they could not answer with 100% certainty when ordering a few of my suspension parts, which is why i ended up buying alot of it from Maximum motorsports. They do have fairly knowledgeable associates, but they have a pretty broad spectrum of info, and are not what I would consider "experts" on any one specific. Going with someone like jayman33, i would feel very comfortable with his ability to give me the correct info.

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Don't suppose your shop is in the northeast?
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Don't suppose your shop is in the northeast?
He's in North Carolina but is helping me out too. I didn't realize BMR was 45 min away from me so I will be giving them a call this weekend.
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I have 2014 gt and I want to lower it. My buddy has lowering springs from his 13 that he traded in. Can I just use the lowering springs or do I need other parts as well?
Whats the drop? What springs exactly?
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Whats up!? You still in NC? I thought you may have gone to Germany. I texted you a few weeks ago for some things. I ended up a couple days later addressing one for decent deal, but rather do my business with you. I still need something. I used the number I have always had and it matched the one from site. Did you get it?

OP...sorry to jack thread....This dude is good people and excellent choice to buy from. Will lead you in right direction.
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Jason,
Whats up!? You still in NC? I thought you may have gone to Germany. I texted you a few weeks ago for some things. I ended up a couple days later addressing one for decent deal, but rather do my business with you. I still need something. I used the number I have always had and it matched the one from site. Did you get it?

OP...sorry to jack thread....This dude is good people and excellent choice to buy from. Will lead you in right direction.

Yeah bro, I PCSed to Germany for 2 years. Dan Schaub has my number while I'm gone with John Wyatt and Greg Hazlett running the physical portion while as well. Gotta love the military We found land in Fayetteville next to the Airport and will be building hopefully soon, I'm working on tuning and have been for awhile however, I won't offer the tuning side of this business until I know full well I can handle the pressure and completely understand every tuning aspect to every modification. Building engines, suspension work, superchargers.... I can handle, tuning is a totally different ball game!!

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Yeah bro, I PCSed to Germany for 2 years. Dan Schaub has my number while I'm gone with John Wyatt and Greg Hazlett running the physical portion while as well. Gotta love the military We found land in Fayetteville next to the Airport and will be building hopefully soon, I'm working on tuning and have been for awhile however, I won't offer the tuning side of this business until I know full well I can handle the pressure and completely understand every tuning aspect to every modification. Building engines, suspension work, superchargers.... I can handle, tuning is a totally different ball game!!

Sorry to thread jack, lol.
You got that right on Tuning. It's for sure one thing that requires thinking outside the box. I was wondering ....Like damn what is up with Jason?! I Bought some amsoil MTF last night from Greg. I been needing stuff and bought a few things but I prefer to deal with ya. I texted about the Dual Aeroforce/SOS but ended up getting a pretty good deal. I thought I had a Damn good deal locked down on a Metco UCA/UCM today but it was missing piece's and I been thru that **** before and just said nah. I think after getting a local buddy who sold his car to sell me his 1-piece alum DS, I will just wait till Black Friday to get the UCA/UCM. Gonna need some good diff. oil soon when I do it I am gonna do it all and put a catch can for the axle.
Anyway, brother you be smooth and hold it down. Stay safe and kicking ***. You still got the Boss-right? Hope so!
I'm keeping some TSW wheels I had for sale the last couple days on some boards. Closing the other at 9pm, and just gonna do a custom color. Work it out with a customer.
Do you have your car stored or over there? Be glad to see ya home and safe. Like to stop by and if you get a shop you need to let me know.
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