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Old 10-21-2013, 09:29 AM   #71
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Sigh.... again, you are looking at peak horsepower gain and not the powerband as a whole. If you drive a dyno queen the peak HP might mean something to you, if you track your car at all especially road course it means a lot.

So you are saying his numbers are on paper right?
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Sigh.... again, you are looking at peak horsepower gain and not the powerband as a whole. If you drive a dyno queen the peak HP might mean something to you, if you track your car at all especially road course it means a lot.
Far from a dyno quee. I can take down 95% of everything that runs up next to me
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I don't do road course at all, never plan to. And no my power curve didnt change by much. Do you know how nitrous works? A simple header swap not going to change it on the bottle
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I don't do road course at all, never plan to. And no my power curve didnt change by much. Do you know how nitrous works? A simple header swap not going to change it on the bottle
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So you are saying his numbers are on paper right?
No and yes. Although I joke with Rapinator at times, his setup isn't necessarily a "dyno queen."

At 700whp, he's running some serious power and 7hp is just 1% or less of his total power. Also, he's about to install a single turbo into his car and reduce his nitrous down to 150-200 from 300 shot. This could very well net him 850-900whp... More I would suspect with his fully bulit motor.

So you have to see things from his perspective when it comes to power. I'm sure his power curve is very stout throughout the bandwidth. And -7hp isn't going hurt him at all.

7hp gain to me is a good addition but whether its worth $4-600 is ultimately still up to me to decide.
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Now on the all motor side of it. Idk I haven't had my car on the dyno on all motor for along time. Like I said the only reason they came off was bc of the turbo. Now for the op, yes they will help you out, just like I had told you.
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With your blower longtubes will make you pick up .5-1psi also. Vs rhe the stock manifolds/headers.
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With your blower longtubes will make you pick up .5-1psi also. Vs rhe the stock manifolds/headers.
Its the opposite, you will lose .5-1 psi when installing LT's with a blower, been there. done that. Had to go down a pulley to get back up in boost.
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Its the opposite, you will lose .5-1 psi when installing LT's with a blower, been there. done that. Had to go down a pulley to get back up in boost.
I didnt on my blown roush. Or my 03 cobra

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So yes I have been there also. Cobra was at 18 lbs roush was at 11.

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Better airflow means more psi.
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I had a 2.6 upper and 4lb lower on my cobra at the time, and a 2.49 upper on my roush.
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No... it doesn't. Better airflow means less back pressure, less back pressure means lower PSI. You must be a tuner....
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No... it doesn't. Better airflow means less back pressure, less back pressure means lower PSI. You must be a tuner....
I am telling you what hapened when they were installed on both my cars. I must be a tuner? You must have a slow *** car

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Just like when u go from a inclosed filter to a open filter. You pick up psi

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My boost gauge showed holding 18psi the whole time.
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I am telling you what hapened when they were installed on both my cars. I must be a tuner? You must have a slow *** car

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Just like when u go from a inclosed filter to a open filter. You pick up psi

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My boost gauge showed holding 18psi the whole time.

Oh ok, that last comment just assured me you have no idea what you're talking about. Having a fast car doesn't mean you know how it works.

Intake airflow has nothing to do with exhaust flow, the way you talk on these forums I'd expect you to know that.

I would love to see you going around the track with me, would be comical.
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Oh ok, that last comment just assured me you have no idea what you're talking about. Having a fast car doesn't mean you know how it works.

Intake airflow has nothing to do with exhaust flow, the way you talk on these forums I'd expect you to know that.

I would love to see you going around the track with me, would be comical.
I go in a straight line. Not around I have had alot of mustangs. And im telling you what I have experienced with mine. My boost picked up. Now if u want to say idk what im talking about, then more power to you bud.

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B4 the header install it wouls not stay constant at 18psi. It would drop. That is what my last comment was referring to.

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*would

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Never said intake flow had anything to do with exhaust flow either?? Did I? I said switching from a inclosed to open filter will also pick up psi. Never in that statement did I say it had anything to do/ relate to the exhaust
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Ok, I'll leave you alone. You haven't defended any of your arguments with anything quantifiable. I'll stop, this isn't going anywhere.
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Ok, I'll leave you alone. You haven't defended any of your arguments with anything quantifiable. I'll stop, this isn't going anywhere.
Lol ok bud. How you want me to defend it im telling you my experience
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Ok pointless measuring contest. Not a winnable argument because Rapinator says he experienced it. There's probably a myriad reasons how this is possible. If his car gets 7HP on the dyno for a LT then how can anyone argue that he didn't? Or if his turbo boost was more stable at 18psi with LT then no one else own his car.

Jayman you're a dealer for parts and accessories. Taking such a hard stand and even partially belittling other people won't win you customers.

I personally don't know what or how Rapinator ran his setup but knowing what I know about cars i will neither refute nor take it for gospel.

Hey don't get me wrong. It's interesting read while I'm at work.
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Every dyno is diff also. Its possible I could have lost more than 7hp on a diff dyno/ diff day. All my dyno runs are on a loaded dyno jet. Some say read lower some say read higher. Thats why I never droped the actual #my car put down to the tires. Weather here in tx plays a big factor on a day to day basis. **** last night it was 46° now its hot and humid as ****. I dont mean to be a dick/ *** on here. Most will probally say I am. Maybe the day it picked up the little psi, it was colder out. I can't remember the day exactly. Its been a couple years.
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Ok pointless measuring contest. Not a winnable argument because Rapinator says he experienced it. There's probably a myriad reasons how this is possible. If his car gets 7HP on the dyno for a LT then how can anyone argue that he didn't? Or if his turbo boost was more stable at 18psi with LT then no one else own his car.

Jayman you're a dealer for parts and accessories. Taking such a hard stand and even partially belittling other people won't win you customers.

I personally don't know what or how Rapinator ran his setup but knowing what I know about cars i will neither refute nor take it for gospel.

Hey don't get me wrong. It's interesting read while I'm at work.
If any feelings were hurt I apologize. With that being said, I don't just sell parts, I've built plenty of cars... road racing and drag racing alike. I'm not on here to try and win over customers or brag about the things I've done, those that know me and my company will tell you we are honest... completely honest. Being active duty Army I don't have to rely on making a buck off people.... just to make a buck. I try and educate as well during the process. So if I come off as taking a hard stance well... its because I'm trying to make a point to someone.
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With your blower longtubes will make you pick up .5-1psi also. Vs rhe the stock manifolds/headers.
No it won't, just the opposite actually.
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Its the opposite, you will lose .5-1 psi when installing LT's with a blower
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Oh ok, that last comment just assured me you have no idea what you're talking about. Having a fast car doesn't mean you know how it works.

Intake airflow has nothing to do with exhaust flow, the way you talk on these forums I'd expect you to know that.
Don't bother Jay, it's pretty clear he has no clue what he's talking about.
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No it won't, just the opposite actually.

Exactly.

Don't bother Jay, it's pretty clear he has no clue what he's talking about.
Really? I experienced it buddy. So STFU

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Really? I experienced it buddy. So STFU
Sure you did.
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Sure you did.
Why would I make it up? Had them on my 03 cobra. And my 08 roush. Both supercharged. What have you installed them on? Is your car supercharged?
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Why would I make it up? Had them on my 03 cobra. And my 08 roush. Both supercharged. What have you installed them on? Is your car supercharged?

I don't know nearly as much as you guys. But man Rap. You have had quite a bit of mustangs.
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I don't know nearly as much as you guys. But man Rap. You have had quite a bit of mustangs.
Yes they were all fun in there own way. My first one was a 03 gt, then the 03 cobra, 08 roush 427r, then my 12 5.0, which I still have. I also got my wife a 12 3.7 which we traded for a 13 explorer. Family got bigger lol. The cobra is still in the family though I sold it to my uncle. Who owns the 1200hp fox also.

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None of them sounded as good as my 03 gt and 03 cobra though. I do not like how the coyotes sound. Just nothing can compare to how the 2vs and cobras sound imo
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Why would I make it up? Had them on my 03 cobra. And my 08 roush. Both supercharged. What have you installed them on? Is your car supercharged?
My experience is pretty simple. I put a Whipple supercharger meant for an 03-04 Cobra on my 2003 Mach 1. It required a lot of work and innovation and Modded Mustangs did a feature article on my build. There have been only a handful guys that have done it and I was the first, the innovator if you will. The car made 718 rwhp and 735 rwtq on 25.5 lbs. of boost. So I have a little experience with this. Oh and before the Whipple I had a Kenne Bell and a Procharger on the Mach 1.
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My experience is pretty simple. I put a Whipple supercharger meant for an 03-04 Cobra on my 2003 Mach 1. It required a lot of work and innovation and Modded Mustangs did a feature article on my build. There have been only a handful guys that have done it and I was the first, the innovator if you will. The car made 718 rwhp and735 rwtq on 25.5 lbs. of boost. So I have a little experience with this. Oh and before the Whipple I had a Kenne Bell and a Procharger on the Mach 1.
I had an '03 Mach 1....wish you were my neighbor or best friend when I had it lol
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Yes they were all fun in there own way. My first one was a 03 gt, then the 03 cobra, 08 roush 427r, then my 12 5.0, which I still have. I also got my wife a 12 3.7 which we traded for a 13 explorer. Family got bigger lol. The cobra is still in the family though I sold it to my uncle. Who owns the 1200hp fox also. ---------- Post added at 05:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:06 PM ---------- None of them sounded as good as my 03 gt and 03 cobra though. I do not like how the coyotes sound. Just nothing can compare to how the 2vs and cobras sound imo

My uncle had an 02 GT and I agree. Those had a sound that made me love mustangs. I used to hate them. I was into RX-7s and Skylines. He had a Mazda MX-6 and I loved it. One day he came over with the mustang and I almost flipped. Took a ride in it and y'all know the rest.
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I had an '03 Mach 1....wish you were my neighbor or best friend when I had it lol
Yea I have a little experience here. And I lost 1.5 lbs. of boost with the longtubes.
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My experience is pretty simple. I put a Whipple supercharger meant for an 03-04 Cobra on my 2003 Mach 1. It required a lot of work and innovation and Modded Mustangs did a feature article on my build. There have been only a handful guys that have done it and I was the first, the innovator if you will. The car made 718 rwhp and735 rwtq on 25.5 lbs. of boost. So I have a little experience with this. Oh and before the Whipple I had a Kenne Bell and a Procharger on the Mach 1.

See that's what it's all about. Being creative and having the drive to do something like that. I wanted a Procharger but instead decided that later on I will get like a roush edelbrock or something along the lines and I plan on doing the install myself when I gain more experience under the hood. I would like to build a car that's "balanced" if you will. Good off the line but also great on the road course.
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My experience is pretty simple. I put a Whipple supercharger meant for an 03-04 Cobra on my 2003 Mach 1. It required a lot of work and innovation and Modded Mustangs did a feature article on my build. There have been only a handful guys that have done it and I was the first, the innovator if you will. The car made 718 rwhp and 735 rwtq on 25.5 lbs. of boost. So I have a little experience with this. Oh and before the Whipple I had a Kenne Bell and a Procharger on the Mach 1.
Amen to that lol
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So back to the headers. They aren't just for sound though right? It allows better airflow?
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So back to the headers. They aren't just for sound though right? It allows better airflow?
You will make more power across the board with them. Now the question is are they worth the expensive? To some yes, others no. A good set of headers with matching midpipe will be in the $1200-$1400 range. And if you aren't installing them yourself you're looking at $2000.
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You will make more power across the board with them. Now the question is are they worth the expensive? To some yes, others no. A good set of headers with matching midpipe will be in the $1200-$1400 range. And if you aren't installing them yourself you're looking at $2000.

Ok. So the mid pipes come in H and X. I'm assuming that's a preference thing right? I'm assuming installing headers requires the engine to be taken out?
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