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Old 11-15-2013, 12:42 PM   #1
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c&l cold air intake

just wondering if anyone has the c&l cai for the 2013 gt, i was gonna go air aid from american muscle because I'm not ready for a tune yet (dealer trying to screw me out of my warranty) but the air aid seems to have a lot of problems with water getting in the intake….. just wondering if the c&l would be better
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:27 PM   #2
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The best one is the one that came stock on your car. Trust me you will see no improvement.
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As grabber said, the OEM intake works well. The only reason to get an aftermarket CAI is for looks, and sucking sound. You will gain a little more HP, but only if you have a tune for it. If you're not getting a tune, stick with the OEM. Here's my C&L:

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There's an AEM conical CAI that comes with an enclosed compartment. Made of metal. Have to think it heat soaks a bit more than the stock plastic. But does flow more tho. But a stocker with just bolt ons won't need much more than the stock air box.

Only thing with the aftermarket CAI is better throttle response I suppose. And sound. But the enclosed AEM won't have the intake induction sound like an open CAI.
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Ok, I've now seen this mentioned a few times that cai's don't improve over stock. How do all the videos show horsepower gains with them? Any info wld b appreciated since I'm planning to get one for Christmas!!! I'm planning on getting the JLT race cai that requires a tune. It has the enlarged maf. Will the stock air box really perform as well?
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The best one is the one that came stock on your car. Trust me you will see no improvement.
c&l claims that the cai without a tune will add up to 8hp don't know if thats true or not, only reason I'm going tuneless for now is because my dealer is giving me problems with the warranty…

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does anyone know if the dealer could tell you had an aftermarket tune on your car if you returned it to the stock tune with the bama tuner?
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It would seem to me that if u put it bk to stock and tell them a code popped up so u had autozone or someone clear it (causing the drive cycle ) u shld b good

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I swapped mine out so many times on my 07 I cld do it in 15 minutes including the tune..... Lol
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It would seem to me that if u put it bk to stock and tell them a code popped up so u had autozone or someone clear it (causing the drive cycle ) u shld b good

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I swapped mine out so many times on my 07 I cld do it in 15 minutes including the tune..... Lol
the service manager at the dealer keeps telling me that as soon as he plugs my car up to his computer he can see every tune thats been done to it and every code thrown , don't know if thats true or not
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I've read that the only tuner that won't leave a footprint is the Diablo inTune. I'm not sure if anyone has tested it with a dealer. If you are worried about your warranty, it's best not to tune.
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SMH, I'm done wasting my breath.
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Ok, I've now seen this mentioned a few times that cai's don't improve over stock. How do all the videos show horsepower gains with them? Any info wld b appreciated since I'm planning to get one for Christmas!!! I'm planning on getting the JLT race cai that requires a tune. It has the enlarged maf. Will the stock air box really perform as well?
The videos you're watching are on the dyno with the hood open. Plus they're done in perfect weather conditions. Not exactly a fair test.
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c&l claims that the cai without a tune will add up to 8hp don't know if thats true or not, only reason I'm going tuneless for now is because my dealer is giving me problems with the warranty…

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does anyone know if the dealer could tell you had an aftermarket tune on your car if you returned it to the stock tune with the bama tuner?
Returning it to stock will do you no good with the flash counter. They will know.
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It would seem to me that if u put it bk to stock and tell them a code popped up so u had autozone or someone clear it (causing the drive cycle ) u shld b good

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I swapped mine out so many times on my 07 I cld do it in 15 minutes including the tune..... Lol
Wrong. Returning to stock will not help.
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the service manager at the dealer keeps telling me that as soon as he plugs my car up to his computer he can see every tune thats been done to it and every code thrown , don't know if thats true or not
He is correct.
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The videos you're watching are on the dyno with the hood open. Plus they're done in perfect weather conditions. Not exactly a fair test.

Returning it to stock will do you no good with the flash counter. They will know.

Wrong. Returning to stock will not help.

He is correct.
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Ok, I've never had to take it in to dealer do it seemed to me that would wrk. I stand corrected
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Also, the stock pulls were done in exact same conditions. So if both pulls are done in set the same conditions the increase should b valid. Under less than perfect conditions u wldnt see the same results for the cai but the stock numbers wld b lower as well.... All things being equal, crappy weather or perfect, if there's an increase in power then the cai is better, correct? Jst trying to figure this out b4 I blow $ unnecessarily.
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Stay with the stock CAI, if you want better looks, or sound, aftermarket is good, HP gains are negligible without a tune. But the looks & sound don't justify 300-500 for me, at least for a CAI.
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Stay with the stock CAI, if you want better looks, or sound, aftermarket is good, HP gains are negligible without a tune. But the looks & sound don't justify 300-500 for me, at least for a CAI.
Correct. Search in the 2011+ section and search air filters? There is a thread called air filters? Worth the read if your considering the buy of a cai. Don't get me wrong. I will one day have one. But either a 75% off one or a used one from Craigslist. They look good. Sound good. But do not perform "better" than a regular stock filter.
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Correct. Search in the 2011+ section and search air filters? There is a thread called air filters? Worth the read if your considering the buy of a cai. Don't get me wrong. I will one day have one. But either a 75% off one or a used one from Craigslist. They look good. Sound good. But do not perform "better" than a regular stock filter.
I think I was the guy who started that thread...

I'll eventually get a K&N, but not for a while.
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I think I was the guy who started that thread... I'll eventually get a K&N, but not for a while.
you were. Just quoted you to say correct. Then the rest if for Ian
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you were. Just quoted you to say correct. Then the rest if for Ian
I figured that. I wasn't meaning anything towards you, just simply stating that.
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Stay with the stock CAI, if you want better looks, or sound, aftermarket is good, HP gains are negligible without a tune. But the looks & sound don't justify 300-500 for me, at least for a CAI.
Roush CAI is just over $200 cheap for a nice look and sound.
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I had planned on getting the race cai which requires a tune.... With the enlarged maf. Does that make a difference?
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I had planned on getting the race cai which requires a tune.... With the enlarged maf. Does that make a difference?
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So it's better to keep stock airbox throw in a k&n panel filter and get a tune? Having cai with the tuner b no improvement?
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Good lord you're thick headed. Stick with the stock air box and the stock filter. There are no gains even with a K&N filter. Just get a GOOD tune.
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just wondering if anyone has the c&l cai for the 2013 gt, i was gonna go air aid from american muscle because I'm not ready for a tune yet (dealer trying to screw me out of my warranty) but the air aid seems to have a lot of problems with water getting in the intake….. just wondering if the c&l would be better
I just recently dyno tuned my car with airaid cai and lethal performance or x pipe. We did multiple dyno pulls and I made 12 whp from the cai alone
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I just recently dyno tuned my car with airaid cai and lethal performance or x pipe. We did multiple dyno pulls and I made 12 whp from the cai alone
So you did a pull with the stock intake, put on the Airraid intake and with no changes and made 12 horsepower? Post up the results but frankly be ready to be called out.
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Just get the friggin K&N CAI dude lol. It's looks cool under the hood. There are negligible gains but f it. Most everyone gets one anyways just get it out of the way trollolololol
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So you did a pull with the stock intake, put on the Airraid intake and with no changes and made 12 horsepower? Post up the results but frankly be ready to be called out.
You got it right bud. Went to Shaun at aed.
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You got it right bud. Went to Shaun at aed.
Post up the sheets so we can look at them.
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You got it right bud. Went to Shaun at aed.
Tell him to run the CAI with the hood closed
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Tell him to run the CAI with the hood closed
And without a giant fan blowing on the car.................
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Tell him to run the CAI with the hood closed
All pulls were open hood and I don't plan on going back to do a pull with the hood closed
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All pulls were open hood and I don't plan on going back to do a pull with the hood closed
Do you drive around with the hood open? Because that makes a big difference you know.
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And without a giant fan blowing on the car.................
You don't really understand how numbers work do you? It's not how high the number is but the gains in the same conditions
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You don't really understand how numbers work do you? It's not how high the number is but the gains in the same conditions
Yes I absolutely know how they work. Besides dyno numbers mean jack squat to me. Track testing is what I'm more interested in. Still waiting on those dyno sheets that were minutes apart.
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