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Old 12-02-2013, 05:59 PM   #36
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Yea I'm not having Bama tune my boss lol. VMP will get my business
Dont blame you. Nothing against Bama, but i preferred a tuner that has been around longer, has extremely close ties to ford, and can give you more of a personal experience.

I was considering VMP as well, but have heard that there tunes are more on the aggressive side, as opposed to the conservative side as far as timing goes. Since mine is a daily driver, i decided to go with, "the safer bet", per say.
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Dont blame you. Nothing against Bama, but i preferred a tuner that has been around longer, has extremely close ties to ford, and can give you more of a personal experience.

I was considering VMP as well, but have heard that there tunes are more on the aggressive side, as opposed to the conservative side as far as timing goes. Since mine is a daily driver, i decided to go with, "the safer bet", per say.
The reason I'm leaning towards VMP is BC they are the only ones that seem to have tuning for the boss down. This comes from several other ppl and sites. It seems that most tuners treat the boss as a normal 5.0 while tuning.
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Oh, here we go about the #8 cylinder nonsense again and bama dislike. The #8 issue is no more and hasn't been an issue for over 3 plus years. Yes, it WAS an issue but that was when the new coyote engine was new the 2011's. Notice the key word WAS. The #8 cylinder was going up because in the early stages of tuning these new engines the air fuel ratio was set too high for WOT and the engine was running to lean. The 2010 and under 4.6 engines could run at a different higher air fuel ratio during WOT than the 5.0 and unfortunately there was a learning curve for other tuning companies. Air fuel ratios during WOT were being set too high in the 13 parts to 1 range which was fine for the 4.6 engine but not good for the 5.0.

Once it was understood the 5.0 tolerances and where the settings needed to be, the #8 cylinder was no longer a issue. Bama is now setting the air fuel ratios for the 5.0's and 3.7's for 12 parts to 2 during WOT. In my case I requested Bama to set air fuel ratio during WOT too 12 parts to 1.
Bama is a highly reputable tuning company that gives a great quality, powerful tune and excellent customer service. I know this because I have bama tunes that I run.

Steeda is a highly reputable tuning company that gives great quality , powerful tune along with providing excellent customer service. I know this of them because I also run a 91 Steeda tune in my stang.

MPT is a highly reputable tuning company that gives great quality , powerful tune along with providing excellent customer service. I know this of them because I also run a 91 race performance tune in my stang.

All three provide similar power HP and torque results however my MPT is the most powerful one of the tunes and is my favorite tune of my three. I know this because I had my car dyno several months ago with all three tunes, MPT vs Steeda vs Bama and I have the dyno sheet to back the results up. All tunes were 91 octane and did make similar numbers.

Don't let people here scare you about engines blowing up and # 8 issues. Not too mention for us who have 3.7 engines, the #8 issue never pertained to us and never had any similar issues. Get that tune, they are safe when done by a reputable tuning company. I have been running performance tunes for almost three years and car runs better than it did from my day 1 of ownership.



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What gets me is from what I've seen is that Bama didn't stand behind their product and left the customers SOL to replace the parts/engine.

That just grinds my gears and I'm taken back by it.
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Oh, here we go about the #8 cylinder nonsense again and bama dislike. The #8 issue is no more and hasn't been an issue for over 3 plus years. Yes, it WAS an issue but that was when the new coyote engine was new the 2011's. Notice the key word WAS. The #8 cylinder was going up because in the early stages of tuning these new engines the air fuel ratio was set too high for WOT and the engine was running to lean. The 2010 and under 4.6 engines could run at a different higher air fuel ratio during WOT than the 5.0 and unfortunately there was a learning curve for other tuning companies. Air fuel ratios during WOT were being set too high in the 13 parts to 1 range which was fine for the 4.6 engine but not good for the 5.0. Once it was understood the 5.0 tolerances and where the settings needed to be, the #8 cylinder was no longer a issue. Bama is now setting the air fuel ratios for the 5.0's and 3.7's for 12 parts to 2 during WOT. In my case I requested Bama to set air fuel ratio during WOT too 12 parts to 1. Bama is a highly reputable tuning company that gives a great quality, powerful tune and excellent customer service. I know this because I have bama tunes that I run. Steeda is a highly reputable tuning company that gives great quality , powerful tune along with providing excellent customer service. I know this of them because I also run a 91 Steeda tune in my stang. MPT is a highly reputable tuning company that gives great quality , powerful tune along with providing excellent customer service. I know this of them because I also run a 91 race performance tune in my stang. All three provide similar power HP and torque results however my MPT is the most powerful one of the tunes and is my favorite tune of my three. I know this because I had my car dyno several months ago with all three tunes, MPT vs Steeda vs Bama and I have the dyno sheet to back the results up. All tunes were 91 octane and did make similar numbers. Don't let people here scare you about engines blowing up and # 8 issues. Not too mention for us who have 3.7 engines, the #8 issue never pertained to us and never had any similar issues. Get that tune, they are safe when done by a reputable tuning company. I have been running performance tunes for almost three years and car runs better than it did from my day 1 of ownership.
yeah in my original post about this I said there WAS an issue but had already been solved years ago.

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What gets me is from what I've seen is that Bama didn't stand behind their product and left the customers SOL to replace the parts/engine. That just grinds my gears and I'm taken back by it.
yeah that was pretty janky
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What gets me is from what I've seen is that Bama didn't stand behind their product and left the customers SOL to replace the parts/engine.

That just grinds my gears and I'm taken back by it.
Well, I don't know anything about that and AM leaving people to dry. I have heard that through the forum rumor mill but never from anyone on here that AM had directly screwed them. It was always about someone who new someone who new someone who new someone but never the actual person who got screwed by AM.

I would love to hear from people on the forum who they personally got screwed from AM on the #8 cylinder issue and then hear from AM about it.

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yeah in my original post about this I said there WAS an issue but had already been solved years ago.

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yeah that was pretty janky
You did bro. I was just trying to clarify the whole #8 past issue for the few upcoming future mod experts but for now are new to the tuning world. Lol.
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Well, I don't know anything about that and AM leaving people to dry. I have heard that through the forum rumor mill but never from anyone on here that AM had directly screwed them. It was always about someone who new someone who new someone who new someone but never the actual person who got screwed by AM. I would love to hear from people on the forum who they personally got screwed from AM on the #8 cylinder issue and then hear from AM about it. ---------- Post added at 09:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:21 PM ---------- You did bro. I was just trying to clarify the whole #8 past issue for the few upcoming future mod experts but for now are new to the tuning world. Lol.
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#1 we all specifically stated that is was a problem in the PAST

#2 although we appreciate all your advice and experience with the aforementioned tuners kona, the info and your dyno sheets mean very little to us because all the tests were conducted on a 3.7 vs. 5.0.

#3 im not hating on AM, at all. Personally i order almost ALL my parts from them, as i believe they have excellent customer service, super fast shipping, and decent prices. BUT, I think there are a LOT of bama/am fan boys around here that tend to persuade others go with the big "name brand" (bama) as far as tuning. PERSONALLY, i felt like going with a smaller company, which has been around fords much longer than anyway else. Will all mail order tuners make similar numbers on the dyno? Yeah, probably. But HOW the tuner makes that power is the most important thing to know. Just because one tune makes 5 more hp on the dyno, than the other, doesnt make it a superior tune in any way what so ever.
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#1 we all specifically stated that is was a problem in the PAST

#2 although we appreciate all your advice and experience with the aforementioned tuners kona, the info and your dyno sheets mean very little to us because all the tests were conducted on a 3.7 vs. 5.0.

#3 im not hating on AM, at all. Personally i order almost ALL my parts from them, as i believe they have excellent customer service, super fast shipping, and decent prices. BUT, I think there are a LOT of bama/am fan boys around here that tend to persuade others go with the big "name brand" (bama) as far as tuning. PERSONALLY, i felt like going with a smaller company, which has been around fords much longer than anyway else. Will all mail order tuners make similar numbers on the dyno? Yeah, probably. But HOW the tuner makes that power is the most important thing to know. Just because one tune makes 5 more hp on the dyno, than the other, doesnt make it a superior tune in any way what so ever.
I'm guilty as charged and definitely a huge fan boy of Bama and AM. I'm also a fan boy of Steeda and MPT. People will tell other people too buy from a company that sells good quality products, good customer service and fair competitive pricing. AM does all three and the fact there the big name company is because they earned that big name. AM and bama didnt get huge by giving garbage tunes, sell garbage products and garbage customer service. There huge because the provide quality tunes that are safe, reliable along with great mustang products and top notch customer service. I would tell people here to go with bama, Steeda or MPT tunes because I have all of them and work flawlessly.

I don't have VMP or Lund tunes so I can't comment about them. Lol!
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Lol, the #8 issues " of the past" had nothing to do with the tunes. It was related to the engine design itself. It was caused by the #8 cylinder getting hot from the water/oil passages being to small and being the last to get such.
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Lol, the #8 issues " of the past" had nothing to do with the tunes. It was related to the engine design itself. It was caused by the #8 cylinder getting hot from the water/oil passages being to small and being the last to get such.
That's the first I have heard of that but sounds like a good theory to me. You could be right.
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I'm guilty as charged and definitely a huge fan boy of Bama and AM. I'm also a fan boy of Steeda and MPT. People will tell other people too buy from a company that sells good quality products, good customer service and fair competitive pricing. AM does all three and the fact there the big name company is because they earned that big name. AM and bama didnt get huge by giving garbage tunes, sell garbage products and garbage customer service. There huge because the provide quality tunes that are safe, reliable along with great mustang products and top notch customer service. I would tell people here to go with bama, Steeda or MPT tunes because I have all of them and work flawlessly.

I don't have VMP or Lund tunes so I can't comment about them. Lol!
I agree. Trust me, i wasn't calling you a fan boy, because you obviously have experience with all the above, but a lot of people have no idea what they are talking about and just preach, preach, preach, AM. Again, IM a fan of AM as well, as ive spent thousands with them. But, my point was, just because they are the bigger company, it doesnt always make them superior. Hence the reason i went with steeda over bama for my tune. Do i think bama offers a bad tune? No, absolutely not. I just feel more comfortable running a manufacturers tune, who not only has been around longer, but also builds cars specifically for Ford, and are sold with full bumper to bumper warranties.
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That's the first I have heard of that but sounds like a good theory to me. You could be right.
I was para phrasing, but if you research it, once your get past all the ppl blaming the tunes that's what you'll find. Plenty of nontuned motors had the same issues.
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I agree. Trust me, i wasn't calling you a fan boy, because you obviously have experience with all the above, but a lot of people have no idea what they are talking about and just preach, preach, preach, AM. Again, IM a fan of AM as well, as ive spent thousands with them. But, my point was, just because they are the bigger company, it doesnt always make them superior. Hence the reason i went with steeda over bama for my tune. Do i think bama offers a bad tune? No, absolutely not. I just feel more comfortable running a manufacturers tune, who not only has been around longer, but also builds cars specifically for Ford, and are sold with full bumper to bumper warranties.
Lol. I also love my Steeda tune. I went with them a few months back right after they introduced their free tunes for life program. I would highly recommend Steeda as well to anyone looking for tunes. They seem to have a working relationship directly with Ford but that makes sense being Steeda tunes some of Fords special team vehicles. One can be assured when using Steeda tunes there not going to tune you car too aggressive to where your car will run lean..

I have seen in writing on the forums where Steeda will negotiate on your behalf with a dealership should your mustang have issues and the dealership deems the Steeda tune is the cause. I hear Steeda will do what they can to resolve the issue and get Ford to fix the issue at no charge the customer.

What I don't know is , If Steeda can't resolve the issue with the dealership then what? Is Steeda going to fix the issue themselves at no charge to us? Is Steeda going to pay someone to fix the issue the tune caused? Maybe, it doesn't really say.

But, its comforting to know that Steeda will speak with the Ford corporation on your behalf to help resolve any issues one may have.
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Lol. I also love my Steeda tune. I went with them a few months back right after they introduced their free tunes for life program. I would highly recommend Steeda as well to anyone looking for tunes. They seem to have a working relationship directly with Ford but that makes sense being Steeda tunes some of Fords special team vehicles. One can be assured when using Steeda tunes there not going to tune you car too aggressive to where your car will run lean.. I have seen in writing on the forums where Steeda will negotiate on your behalf with a dealership should your mustang have issues and the dealership deems the Steeda tune is the cause. I hear Steeda will do what they can to resolve the issue and get Ford to fix the issue at no charge the customer. What I don't know is , If Steeda can't resolve the issue with the dealership then what? Is Steeda going to fix the issue themselves at no charge to us? Is Steeda going to pay someone to fix the issue the tune caused? Maybe, it doesn't really say. But, its comforting to know that Steeda will speak with the Ford corporation on your behalf to help resolve any issues one may have.
If they do fix the issue, well, I'll be getting a steeda tune soon. Hopefully a dealer in the area is fine with aftermarket performance parts, I really need to ask the local dealers
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TJs thread announcing Steeda's tunes for life explained it. I'm 98% sure he said they do cover it, if the tunes at fault.
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Well, looks like I have some convincing to do then...
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TJs thread announcing Steeda's tunes for life explained it. I'm 98% sure he said they do cover it, if the tunes at fault.
+1. After I heard that, my decision was over. Although steeda has not had a single issue in regards to their tunes, it makes it a little easier to sleep at night when you have piece of mind like that.
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Well, looks like I have some convincing to do then...
Anyone that can convince 3 young ladies into the back seat with them shouldn't have a problem with mom&dad. Lol, sorry couldn't resist.
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^obviously hasn't seen how hard my parents are to convince.
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^ Obviously doesn't get the joke and or has lost his virginity. At least not to anything alive. Lol
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I wish steeda would put it on writing that they will back you up once there is something wrong with there tune when warranty comes into play.. If they are i will get there tunes right away.. Right now still holding back.
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Anyone that can convince 3 young ladies into the back seat with them shouldn't have a problem with mom&dad. Lol, sorry couldn't resist.
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Yes I get the joke.
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I wish steeda would put it on writing that they will back you up once there is something wrong with there tune when warranty comes into play.. If they are i will get there tunes right away.. Right now still holding back.
Here you go sir.
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^ Obviously doesn't get the joke and or has lost his virginity. At least not to anything alive. Lol
Dude I've been holding back for months. I finally just gave in and pulled the trigger. Hope it's worth it
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thank you sir so much.. Copied and paste it.. Now time to order that tunes..
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thank you sir so much.. Copied and paste it.. Now time to order that tunes..
Haha no problem man. You wont be disappointed.
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Lol i was younger when i lost mine. Heres a pic my buddy took the morning after. Lmao
bahahahahah!!!
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Should it be determined that indeed the tuning was the cause of the engine failure and not abuse, over revving, improper fuel octane, etc, then we would work with the customer on resolving the failure.

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Define work with the customer on resolving the failure. What exactly does that mean? Does that mean Steeda will pay in full to fix the failure. Will Steeda mechanics fix the issues at no charge.

I'm not saying Steeda won't cover the cost to fix the issue but please someone explain what exactly does that mean. " Work with customer on resolving the failure". Where does it say Steeda will pay for the repairs to the failure?

P.S. Steeda tunes are awesome and you won't regret.
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Should it be determined that indeed the tuning was the cause of the engine failure and not abuse, over revving, improper fuel octane, etc, then we would work with the customer on resolving the failure.

Best Regards,

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Define work with the customer on resolving the failure. What exactly does that mean? Does that mean Steeda will pay in full to fix the failure. Will Steeda mechanics fix the issues at no charge.

I'm not saying Steeda won't cover the cost to fix the issue but please someone explain what exactly does that mean. " Work with customer on resolving the failure". Where does it say Steeda will pay for the repairs to the failure?

P.S. Steeda tunes are awesome and you won't regret.
Ya I was wrong, they will work with you is not a guarantee on who pays. The part that they will work with Ford to prove it wasn't the tunes fault that caused the failure is what's the most appealing to me. You could spend thousands on a third party testing and lawyer.
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Ya I was wrong, they will work with you is not a guarantee on who pays. The part that they will work with Ford to prove it wasn't the tunes fault that caused the failure is what's the most appealing to me. You could spend thousands on a third party testing and lawyer.
True. But like you said, the fact they are willing to go to battle for you speaks volumes. That's a lot more than any other tuner has put into writing.

Not to mention, after statements like that, its hard to believe a company as big as Steeda would not cover the cost of a new motor if need be to maintain their good name.
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Ya I was wrong, they will work with you is not a guarantee on who pays. The part that they will work with Ford to prove it wasn't the tunes fault that caused the failure is what's the most appealing to me. You could spend thou,sands on a third party testing and lawyer.
Well, I totally agree and think its great that Steeda will help negotiate on your behalf with Ford should something go wrong..
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