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Old 01-21-2014, 09:45 PM   #1
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When you put on a roush Bolt-on supercharger on a 2013 mustang gt do you need to change the internals ?
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It depends on the amount of power you want to put down and how good of a tune you have on the car. The long answer is long but the short answer is as long as you don't push past 600 rwhp then you do not need to replace the internals, just make sure you use a good tuner
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Just make sure you get a dyno tune from a reputable well known tuning specialist.

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It depends on the amount of power you want to put down and how good of a tune you have on the car. The long answer is long but the short answer is as long as you don't push past 600 rwhp then you do not need to replace the internals, just make sure you use a good tuner

Okay because I'm looking to hit like mid 5s for now and nice car man
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Okay because I'm looking to hit like mid 5s for now and nice car man

You should be solid with the mid five hundred range.

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Just make sure you get a dyno tune from a reputable well known tuning specialist.

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A dyno tune is not necessary. Just need to data log on the street in real world situations. Don't post things that aren't true and mislead people.
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A dyno tune is not necessary. Just need to data log on the street in real world situations. Don't post things that aren't true and mislead people.
That's pretty harsh... I would always recommend a good dyno tune for any FI application. A dyno tells you things that a street data log can't.
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A dyno tune is not necessary. Just need to data log on the street in real world situations. Don't post things that aren't true and mislead people.
If someone supercharges their ride then its highly recommend and a good idea too get a dyno tune. There is nothing untrue and misleading.
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That's pretty harsh... I would always recommend a good dyno tune for any FI application. A dyno tells you things that a street data log can't.
You can recommend anything you want but it's apparent you aren't up to speed on the new copperhead PCM's. And a dyno tells you nothing that real world tuning won't do. Know how I know? I do my own tuning.
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If someone supercharges their ride then its highly recommend and a good idea too get a dyno tune. There is nothing untrue and misleading.
Not necessary. And the majority of the F/I cars out there on the 2011+ cars are email tunes. VMP, LUND, AED, etc etc. All done through data logs on the street. What exactly is your expertise on tuning again?
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You can recommend anything you want but it's apparent you aren't up to speed on the new copperhead PCM's. And a dyno tells you nothing that real world tuning won't do. Know how I know? I do my own tuning.

Not necessary. And the majority of the F/I cars out there on the 2011+ cars are email tunes. VMP, LUND, AED, etc etc. All done through data logs on the street. What exactly is your expertise on tuning again?
I have no expertise on tuning what so ever. I run performance tunes to my N/A motor and that would conclude my expertise. Based upon my research on numerous mustang forums, speaking with email tuning companies its recommended to have a dyno tune for F.I. vehicles. Your actually the only person I have seen too recommended a email tune over a dyno tune when it comes to F.I. I have spoken to numerous F.I. owners and they all hands down recommended a dyno tune over email tune when it comes too F.I. vehicles.

A vehicle with bolt on mods, email tunes all the way but if I were too go F.I. in the future I would only get it dyno tuned.
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For what it's worth, here is an explanation of how AED does their email tunes.
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I have no expertise on tuning what so ever. I run performance tunes to my N/A motor and that would conclude my expertise. Based upon my research on numerous mustang forums, speaking with email tuning companies its recommended to have a dyno tune for F.I. vehicles. Your actually the only person I have seen too recommended a email tune over a dyno tune when it comes to F.I. I have spoken to numerous F.I. owners and they all hands down recommended a dyno tune over email tune when it comes too F.I. vehicles.

A vehicle with bolt on mods, email tunes all the way but if I were too go F.I. in the future I would only get it dyno tuned.
Spend some time on the big boy boards and see what guys are running F/I email tunes. You can buy superchargers through Roush and Procharger and they send you a tune preloaded on a handheld. Guess what? No dyno tune needed. And you said it best when you stated you have no expertise on tuning.
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Since we're being picky here, just remember if you get to 601 hp your engine will be toast (or a bagel) if it's not forged.

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For what it's worth, here is an explanation of how AED does their email tunes.
A perfect example on how tuning is being done in todays world. Shaun Perry has tuned many F/I cars through emails/data logs. The days of tuning on a dyno are slowly dying.
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You can recommend anything you want but it's apparent you aren't up to speed on the new copperhead PCM's. And a dyno tells you nothing that real world tuning won't do. Know how I know? I do my own tuning.
Maybe if you have a full wideband setup and you're just looking for a good tune sure. But you still aren't going to get as good a tune. I'm sure that's falling on deaf ears though... You don't seem like the type to have any humility whatsoever. The "I did it so I must be God's authority on the topic" mentality is so ****ing exhausting. Good day.
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Maybe if you have a full wideband setup and you're just looking for a good tune sure. But you still aren't going to get as good a tune. I'm sure that's falling on deaf ears though... You don't seem like the type to have any humility whatsoever. The "I did it so I must be God's authority on the topic" mentality is so ****ing exhausting. Good day.
These cars come with widebands built into the front o2's from the factory.
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Maybe if you have a full wideband setup and you're just looking for a good tune sure. But you still aren't going to get as good a tune. I'm sure that's falling on deaf ears though... You don't seem like the type to have any humility whatsoever. The "I did it so I must be God's authority on the topic" mentality is so ****ing exhausting. Good day.
This actually is a bit off, remote tuning has become very popular and actually just as good as dyno tuning. Many assume dyno tuning is better but this isn't the case.... it is faster and more efficient but also much more expensive. Lets put this into perspective, there are really only a hand full of tuners out there that can legitimately tune an 8 MB copperhead pcm, fly-by-wire, TIVCT engine not only effectively but efficiently. Its way to easy to make peak power, actually tuning these cars at WOT is simple... Its tuning these cars for daily street driving that's difficult and to be honest, a dyno tune doesn't always tune in accordance with street driving; considering the majority of dyno machines are un-weighted.

When datalogging and remote tuning, you're actually covering the same templates and parameters a tuner would do when on a dyno, in a customer's car.

To me remote tuning it better, why? Because the process allows for each and every customer to learn the basics of tuning a car and solve simple issues with simple solutions that you otherwise wouldn't know if you just took it to a dyno.

Both methods work just fine and with new technology remote tuning is just as good as dyno tuning. Its just up to the customer on what he/ she wants to do.
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Spend some time on the big boy boards and see what guys are running F/I email tunes. You can buy superchargers through Roush and Procharger and they send you a tune preloaded on a handheld. Guess what? No dyno tune needed. And you said it best when you stated you have no expertise on tuning.
What big boy boards should I be looking at? I read through the boards on Mustang Evolution , The mustang source along with fast ford mustangs and havent recall seeing all these F.I. guys running email tunes. Im always looking to learn new things so im thankful we have you to educate and set the facts straight for me.

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Its way to easy to make peak power, actually tuning these cars at WOT is simple... Its tuning these cars for daily street driving that's difficult and to be honest, a dyno tune doesn't always tune in accordance with street driving; considering the majority of dyno machines are un-weighted.
Jayman, GLAD to here someone put this out there.
There is so much more to a really good tune than just peak power.

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Many assume dyno tuning is better but this isn't the case.... it is faster and more efficient but also much more expensive.
You hear the Dyno is better than remote getting repeated on forums and people take them as gospel when it is not totally accurate in this day and time. A good tuner can take a data log and use that COMBINED with experiences with similar equipment to produce quality tunes.
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Food for thought. The fastest on3 twin turbo motor car makes over 1,000rwhp on a stock long block and has made over 15 150mph passes with that same long block. His car is dyno tuned though.

Also, my lightning is making. 680 rwhp running 23 psi through a mammoth kenne belle blower and is email tuned from amazon. Made dozens of 10 second passes with this same tune on 93 Octane
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Food for thought. The fastest on3 twin turbo motor car makes over 1,000rwhp on a stock long block and has made over 15 150mph passes with that same long block. His car is dyno tuned though.

Also, my lightning is making. 680 rwhp running 23 psi through a mammoth kenne belle blower and is email tuned from amazon. Made dozens of 10 second passes with this same tune on 93 Octane

Maybe I should on3 the Bullitt to put a end to all the ppl who talk crap about on3
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What big boy boards should I be looking at? I read through the boards on Mustang Evolution , The mustang source along with fast ford mustangs and havent recall seeing all these F.I. guys running email tunes. Im always looking to learn new things so im thankful we have you to educate and set the facts straight for me.
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Also, my lightning is making. 680 rwhp running 23 psi through a mammoth kenne belle blower and is email tuned from amazon. Made dozens of 10 second passes with this same tune on 93 Octane
And yet the car runs perfect huh?
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And yet the car runs perfect huh?
Okay. Sounds good. I appreciate your help and guidance. I'll start reading them too. Good too know.
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Once upon a time there was a lot of useful info on this forum. They banned some of the most intellectual people on here. That actually knew what they were talking about from experience. Not to say there isn't intelligent people on here.
All the nitpicking is really ruining this forum.
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Once upon a time there was a lot of useful info on this forum. They banned some of the most intellectual people on here. That actually knew what they were talking about from experience. Not to say there isn't intelligent people on here.
All the nitpicking is really ruining this forum.

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And yet the car runs perfect huh?

Agreed. I started in this forum and loved it. Learned so much. But have actually outgrown it almost. While yes there are some people on here that are still very informative there is also a lot of younger people that jump in about our 5.0s that are driving older cars. Not knocking older cars at all. But these newer cars are completely different. The auto isn't the slow red headed step child anymore. 4.10 are no where near the best gear for the track anymore. And yes email tunes are the becoming the new thing. I currently get on Facebook a lot and follow one group. The reason I follow this group is because it's only 5.0 people for the most part and well. When you put out lies they get corrected quick. I've seen comments from Lund, aed's tuner and many other people. Not to mention they sale stuff like crazy on there. Just good for thought. Click image for larger version

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Once upon a time there was a lot of useful info on this forum. They banned some of the most intellectual people on here. That actually knew what they were talking about from experience. Not to say there isn't intelligent people on here.
All the nitpicking is really ruining this forum.
Just remember there is nitpicking or disagreements on every website.
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Agreed. I started in this forum and loved it. Learned so much. But have actually outgrown it almost. While yes there are some people on here that are still very informative there is also a lot of younger people that jump in about our 5.0s that are driving older cars. Not knocking older cars at all. But these newer cars are completely different. The auto isn't the slow red headed step child anymore. 4.10 are no where near the best gear for the track anymore. And yes email tunes are the becoming the new thing. I currently get on Facebook a lot and follow one group. The reason I follow this group is because it's only 5.0 people for the most part and well. When you put out lies they get corrected quick. I've seen comments from Lund, aed's tuner and many other people. Not to mention they sale stuff like crazy on there. Just good for thought. Attachment 145669

Very well put. Guys are using the same principals on the new 5.0's as they did on the older 5.0's. CAI, throttle bodies, and over gearing for starters. A different approach needs to be taken with the newer cars.
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So its best to Dyno tuned than sct tuner then..


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I agree KAR13, nearly every basic bolt on part has been extensively ragged out on the dyno already by several big name companies (awesome for we the consumers). Chances are extremely high nowadays that what most of us want, guys and shops like Lund, Steeda, SCT, etc have already spent countless hours perfecting a nice tune for it. I don't feel there's a huge need for a custom tune unless you're re-inventing the wheel with custom cams, heads, max effort builds or something along those lines.

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I don't think it's so much the information but the way he puts it out there is what rubs everyone the wrong way. These forums are social in nature, try being a little friendlier and not so negative. It must be exhausting to keep a negative state of mind and argue with everyone all the time.

You won't have to defend yourself if you don't get offensive in the first place.

I think what he meant to say is that dyno tunes have been outdated by hand held tuners. Gathering real time data and posting honest numbers will lead to tunes that are just as good as professional dyno You can update your tune each time you bolt on a new part and get a custom tune via E-mail written by an expert tuners.
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I agree KAR13, nearly every basic bolt on part has been extensively ragged out on the dyno already by several big name companies (awesome for we the consumers). Chances are extremely high nowadays that what most of us want, guys and shops like Lund, Steeda, SCT, etc have already spent countless hours perfecting a nice tune for it. I don't feel there's a huge need for a custom tune unless you're re-inventing the wheel with custom cams, heads, max effort builds or something along those lines.

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