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Old 03-18-2014, 09:20 AM   #1
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Longtubes on 14' GT A6 - Worth it?

I currently have a GT A6 with tune, cai, and off road x.

How much of a gain will I see with long tubes? Will it be worth it?
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Big debate on LTs vs just a O/R mid pipe. Some are seeing the same gains. I did a full exhaust so couldn't really tell you besides the research I did before going full exhaust.
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Maybe 15 rwhp since you already have an off road x-pipe. Only you can determine if it's worth the money. I did it for the sound alone.
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Maybe 15 rwhp since you already have an off road x-pipe. Only you can determine if it's worth the money. I did it for the sound alone.
Do you really hear a noticeable difference in sound?
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Do you really hear a noticeable difference in sound?
I'm curious as well.
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Yes longtubes sound much better than the stock shorties. But is it worth the $1500+? That can be debated.
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Yes longtubes so better than the stock shorties. But is it worth the $1500+? That can be debated.
Ah. Yes the $1,500 price tag is a lot. Any opinion on the shorty 'tuned length' headers?
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Ah. Yes the $1,500 price tag is a lot. Any opinion on the shorty 'tuned length' headers?
I have no personal experience with them. But they do require the same amount of labor to install so I personally wouldn't go through all that unless I was installing longtubes.
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I have no personal experience with them. But they do require the same amount of labor to install so I personally wouldn't go through all that unless I was installing longtubes.
True. I can't decide what I want for my DD GT that has not seen the track yet but may in the future. So far I'm thinking ceramic long tubes? But don't know if that's too much just for the street. I really just want them for the sound
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I have no personal experience with them. But they do require the same amount of labor to install so I personally wouldn't go through all that unless I was installing longtubes.
Do you daily drive your car?

Also - could you list possible downfalls for having long tubes?
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LTs don't have to be $1500. If you want to go buy ARH or Stainless Works you will spend that just for the headers/midpipe, but I got my JBA Titanium coated LTs during Black Friday for $585. Add in my shorty X with cats for $350 and I got all it installed for $500. If you go o/r pipe and install them yourself, it can be done for under $1k.

As far as sound goes, you can't beat LTs. Shorties or mid length or anything else I would just skip, the labor is the same and the benefits (HP) aren't are much as LTs. I'm dropped about 1-1.5" and I don't rub on anything or have any rattles etc.
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That's where I'm stuck... Get the top of the line ceramic headers from big brand names so they'll last a looong time or just get some standard but still good BBK's for example. I want to keep my GT for a long time but don't know if I actually will or not.
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You can get the stainless works for 1000 with midpipe from latemodel restoration. Bbk suck and dont make power compared to a bad *** off road x pipe such as the magnaflow offroad x.

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You can get the stainless works for 1000 with midpipe from latemodel restoration. Bbk suck and dont make power compared to a bad *** off road x pipe such as the magnaflow offroad x.

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Don't know about the cost on the SW headers, but I had BBKs on my 02 and they were ceramic coated too...took about 2 weeks until the coating began to chip and the headers to start to discolor....never again.
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To the pros: is a ceramic / premium coating worth it? Like I mentioned earlier - currently my GT only sees the street. I've also heard the ceramic coating "lasts longer" does this mean a natural finish will leak at 100,000 miles compared to say 200,000 with ceramic?
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Do you daily drive your car?
No. I only put about 1,500 miles a year on it.
Also - could you list possible downfalls for having long tubes?
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To the pros: is a ceramic / premium coating worth it? Like I mentioned earlier - currently my GT only sees the street. I've also heard the ceramic coating "lasts longer" does this mean a natural finish will leak at 100,000 miles compared to say 200,000 with ceramic?
Ceramic coating adds another expense. The high end headers come made out of stainless steel and that's all you really need.



And I would never put BBK headers on these cars. They're lower in cost for a reason.
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Thanks, I'll look for some 1 5/8 (4.6 3v here) stainless LT's then I suppose. Don't care for looks.

Weird, I started looking at BBK products last week and didn't find them to be as bad as I thought they were but I guess I'll reconsider.
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I've installed BBK headers on different customers cars over the years and you can tell they're cheaply made.
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What about JBA?

Excellent information so far GB, I really appreciate it.
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JBA is what I'm thinking
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The JBA headers are a good brand on the 2011+ cars. I'm not sure on the 3V but that shouldn't matter.
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Ah, good.

I hear nothing but good things ab Kooks, they seem to be the 'premium' go-to exhaust company. I don't mind paying a lot for true top-notch quality parts but they don't seem to have a hi-flow shorty h-pipe so I might have to go to JBA.
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I am also in the market for Long Tubes as well. I received an excellent quote today from my tuner on some Kooks long tubes with O/R X-Pipe. I'm getting them for $1500 installed, that also includes re-tuning. I'm very much looking forward to this upgrade, even if only for the sound. Now I just need to change up from Roush axle backs to GT500's.
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I am also in the market for Long Tubes as well. I received an excellent quote today from my tuner on some Kooks long tubes with O/R X-Pipe. I'm getting them for $1500 installed, that also includes re-tuning. I'm very much looking forward to this upgrade, even if only for the sound. Now I just need to change up from Roush axle backs to GT500's.
That is a dam good price.

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I actually prefer the ceramic headers. Stainless will work, but you will add some heat under the hood and they will discolor...that may or may not be important to you.

You can also buy the stainless ones and send them out to get jet hot coated or whichever coating you prefer...swain etc.
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Yeah, ceramics will keep the heat down but I'm not trying to make a race car. It would be super purty to have some shiny headers down there that don't discolor but for the extra price I'm still debating it.

Yeah, I see some people buy the pacesetter (like $300 LT's ha) and strip the black paint and have it ceramic coated. Seems like that'd be too much work and end up the same cost
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I look at it like this....you bought a 30-70k car depending on GT/Boss/Shelby..why cheap out and save a hundred bucks? Buy what you want once and it's money well spent, go cheap and end up changing it later is penny smart and dollar stupid....
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I look at it like this....you bought a 30-70k car depending on GT/Boss/Shelby..why cheap out and save a hundred bucks? Buy what you want once and it's money well spent, go cheap and end up changing it later is penny smart and dollar stupid....
I 100% agree with you man. I swear you can look at my previous posts and I've probably almost said exactly that a few times to other members.

Like I said a few posts up, if Kooks had a shorty h-pipe I wouldn't mind spending a few hundred more to roll with their top quality products, but they don't have what I'm looking for unfortunately.
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If you want Kooks buy them. Have a decent exhaust shop fabricate you an h pipe....it won't be much if any more then buying a different brand's pipe....
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If you want Kooks buy them. Have a decent exhaust shop fabricate you an h pipe....it won't be much if any more then buying a different brand's pipe....
This is true. Although, JBA has what I want and I may that that route.

I want reputable (and when appropriate, matching) parts on my car. I.E. JBA LT's + h-pipe OR Steeda springs/shocks/struts. All parts that have been designed/tested [together] by the manufacturer. There's nothing wrong with mix-and-matching, it just gives me the peace of mind I like to have. Also if and when I go to sell my car I can say I have 'product x system' and they can Google it and read the reputable reviews on it.
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Nobody buy the MC racing headers. They are kooks knock offs. Look exactly like them. Only header i have heard of after someone installs them and loose power. More than one person that installed them lost power.

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This is true. Although, JBA has what I want and I may that that route.

I want reputable (and when appropriate, matching) parts on my car. I.E. JBA LT's + h-pipe OR Steeda springs/shocks/struts. All parts that have been designed/tested [together] by the manufacturer. There's nothing wrong with mix-and-matching, it just gives me the peace of mind I like to have. Also if and when I go to sell my car I can say I have 'product x system' and they can Google it and read the reputable reviews on it.

I have all JBA...LT, catted X and catback.....drones a bit so I'm changing it up a bit but I got a awesome price on it during Black Friday, so I can pull off what I want to change and see it to cover the cost of what I'm putting on to replace it....I did the same with a 1000% Steeda suspension....well except of Koni sports....love that...
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Nobody buy the MC racing headers. They are kooks knock offs. Look exactly like them. Only header i have heard of after someone installs them and loose power. More than one person that installed them lost power.

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If it's too good to be true price wise, it usually isn't what you want. That's why I wouldn't use MAC anything on my last Stang, and I'd stay away from the "off brands" with this one.
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I have all JBA...LT, catted X and catback.....drones a bit so I'm changing it up a bit but I got a awesome price on it during Black Friday, so I can pull off what I want to change and see it to cover the cost of what I'm putting on to replace it....I did the same with a 1000% Steeda suspension....well except of Koni sports....love that...
Nice. Great minds think alike.
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If it's too good to be true price wise, it usually isn't what you want. That's why I wouldn't use MAC anything on my last Stang, and I'd stay away from the "off brands" with this one.
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