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Old 05-25-2014, 05:31 PM   #71
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http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...gures.html?m=1

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Two ways to think about it.
A) the challenger is a "rarer" car
B) the Mustang is a more desired car.

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After searching and browsing chrysler challengers, Google started showing me ads for them. Right now they are telling people to lease/buy the 2014, and they will give them a 2015 in exchange later on.

I can't imagine how bad sales are that they would take a hit like that. Anyone see numbers?

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Not exactly weird. It's just like a one year lease program. Annually renewable. All depends on the payment and any downpayments made initially. U spend all this money and never really own a car unless u say ur gonna keep a particular model year. But I think what this program means is if u pay $500/mo for 48 months then when the next model comes out u still pay $500 for another 48 months if u decide to upgrade. U lost $6000 plus ur down which sorta just transfers over to the new car I guess.

It doesn't mean u get a new car with the remaining 36 months left on ur payments. U have a new 48 month term
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After searching and browsing chrysler challengers, Google started showing me ads for them. Right now they are telling people to lease/buy the 2014, and they will give them a 2015 in exchange later on.

I can't imagine how bad sales are that they would take a hit like that. Anyone see numbers?

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Actually the challenger sales have increased every year since they've been out... Which is pretty rare for any car over a 6 year period with no refresh

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http://m.dodge.com/en/mobile/bonus_incentive/

Lease a new 2014 Dodge Challenger or Charger today for 12 months, then upgrade to a new 2015 model for the same payment with no additional down payment (customer responsible for first monthly lease payment, tax, title and license fees). Or have the option to purchase a 2015 model, with $1,000 lease-to-retail bonus cash.

They are eating the depreciation from rolling off the lot twice, and making sales seem twice as high. Sales didn't seem as bad as I'd have guessed, from the advert and what I generally see around here.

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U mean the December 2013 article that he posted as evidence isn't an upto date enough evidence? It's only six months old...
Rapinator already took care of this for me, it's been confirmed by multiple sources, I was only pointing out 1.

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Ck out the 2015 they are getting some BIG up grade's , supper charged hemi ect.
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Ck out the 2015 they are getting some BIG up grade's , supper charged hemi ect.
Still a heavy boat on 4 wheels. Looks and sounds nice though.

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600+ HP ( crank ) Challenger heli cat revealed , but if you think about it 600 hp out of a super charged 6.2 L is not that much , heck I can get 700 Hp ( 575 RWHP ) out of my 4.6 L ( stock motor ) with my Vortech Ho ( High output ) kit what a joke. But that's dodge for you not very efficient at all. Plus all that curb weight that car needs 600 hp just to move. But it does look cool have to give them that.

2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat with '600-plus horsepower' officially unveiled [w/video] - Autoblog
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600+ HP ( crank ) Challenger heli cat revealed , but if you think about it 600 hp out of a super charged 6.2 L is not that much , heck I can get 700 Hp ( 575 RWHP ) out of my 4.6 L ( stock motor ) with my Vortech Ho ( High output ) kit what a joke. But that's dodge for you not very efficient at all. Plus all that curb weight that car needs 600 hp just to move. But it does look cool have to give them that.

2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat with '600-plus horsepower' officially unveiled [w/video] - Autoblog
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heck I can get 700 Hp ( 575 RWHP ) out of my 4.6 L ( stock motor ) with my Vortech Ho ( High output )
Did you have a typo? Vortech HO for a 10' 4.6 is listed as 492HP
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Did you have a typo? Vortech HO for a 10' 4.6 is listed as 492HP
Not running on 16 psi = 575 RWHP yes on a stock motor , Centrifugal SUPERCHARGERS are much more forgiving on the power train as the
boost comes on smooth and goes right up to red line vs roots that Peter out above 5 k . Check the link . 150+
dyno pulls the 4.6 is more potent / strong then people think.

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LOL, that article is 9yrs old AND that is VORTECH'S car with an experimental centri on there. You are telling me that YOU are running 16lbs of boost right now in YOUR car.
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Lol this guy finds one occasion where someone does it on a stock 4.6 3v, and thinks there all high and mighty. 1 sad it takes 16psi to get that.

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LOL, that article is 9yrs old AND that is VORTECH'S car with an experimental centri on there. You are telling me that YOU are running 16lbs of boost right now in YOUR car.
Not until it's forged but that's the plan yes the article is 9yrs old so? And it's not an experimental centri it is was the first version of the V3 which btw I own , my point is the 4.6 is capable of 700 Hp . That is very impressive considering the size of the motor , If you listen to the video he says quote " it's our BASIC PRODUCTION KIT " . They were running 16 psi on a STOCK MOTOR like I said with 150+ dyno pulls but forging no doubt is a smart thing to do for durability .
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You need to visit Vortech's website and see what real world HP you will make with their newest V3 kit.
Is this your car at the track?
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Not until it's forged but that's the plan yes the article is 9yrs old so? And it's not an experimental centri it is was the first version of the V3 which btw I own , my point is the 4.6 is capable of 700 Hp . That is very impressive considering the size of the motor , If you listen to the video he says quote " it's our BASIC PRODUCTION KIT " . They were running 16 psi on a STOCK MOTOR like I said with 150+ dyno pulls but forging no doubt is a smart thing to do for durability .
The article said 575 BHP, not 575 RWHP. More like 490 RWHP.
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Not so fast
That depends on how fast your wallet is ~~~~~~


The NEW Hellcat 600HP 2015 Challenger will roast any GT Mustang
and has been completely redesigned. with a real interior

Iam drooling over it myself
But wont cough up the 60k their gonna be asking $$$$
The 2015 Hellcat is to get close to the 2014 662hpr GT500, in the same price range. Ford hasn't released yet what it will offer in the 2015 GT500ish price/HPR range
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Doubt they'll do a high end iteration of the new mustang for the first model year. We might see a GT350, GT500, a new Mach 1, or something to that effect in a few years though.

For my dollars, buy a well equipped 5.0 and put the rest of that money into suspension parts, bolt-ons, and a supercharger. Untouchable.
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Regardless of his personal situation, he makes a pretty good point. dodge is known well for efficiency. The first viper, 400 HP from an 8.0, the revamp was able to muster 415-450. Then the 8.3 making 500, But hey, their new 8.4 is able to push 600-640. Maybe their 9.0 will be able to match the GT500!

It's definitely brilliance to power a sports car with a semi engine. Right on par with the chrysler way of life.

Saw a 2014 SRT charger today. Wow, absolutely stunning. Just looked phenomenal. Actually some growth from the original, and looked fierce. Then again, it still takes a 6.4 to make 470 HP. Not sure why it's such a slug of an engine, like the 5.0 making 444 HP. But whatever, the looks and actually reasonable price (for what it is) keep it competitive. Verse an M5 or an M3, it would make me think twice.

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The article said 575 BHP, not 575 RWHP. More like 490 RWHP.
WRONG ....Bhp means braked horsepower. It's not different from other horsepowers, it just state how it is measured; with a dynamometer (brake). It does not state where the power is measured (crank, wheels and so on), just that it is measured with a dyno.

And Vortech did 150+ dyno pulls and got a
consitant 575 Bhp.
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WRONG ....Bhp means braked horsepower. It's not different from other horsepowers, it just state how it is measured; with a dynamometer (brake). It does not state where the power is measured (crank, wheels and so on), just that it is measured with a dyno.

And Vortech did 150+ dyno pulls and got a
consitant 575 Bhp.
Brake horsepower is crank horsepower. Its pretty common knowledge.
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Regardless of his personal situation, he makes a pretty good point. dodge is known well for efficiency. The first viper, 400 HP from an 8.0, the revamp was able to muster 415-450. Then the 8.3 making 500, But hey, their new 8.4 is able to push 600-640. Maybe their 9.0 will be able to match the GT500!

It's definitely brilliance to power a sports car with a semi engine. Right on par with the chrysler way of life.

Saw a 2014 SRT charger today. Wow, absolutely stunning. Just looked phenomenal. Actually some growth from the original, and looked fierce. Then again, it still takes a 6.4 to make 470 HP. Not sure why it's such a slug of an engine, like the 5.0 making 444 HP. But whatever, the looks and actually reasonable price (for what it is) keep it competitive. Verse an M5 or an M3, it would make me think twice.

Mopar is not good at making high Hp unless it's a semi truck engine lol...

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Mopar is not good at making high Hp with a semi truck size engine lol...
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Dodge makes good engines and decent trannies. Electronics suck, and handling is like driving a 1970 Caddy. It is soft and wallows. Quality control may be improving, but still well below what Ford offers.
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Dodge makes good engines and decent trannies. Electronics suck, and handling is like driving a 1970 Caddy. It is soft and wallows. Quality control may be improving, but still well below what Ford offers.
The top of the line challenger 2014 srt8 only makes 470 Hp out of a 6.4 L
MONSTER not sure if that is a very efficient motor lol... in contrast the 2013
Mustang BOSS makes 444 HP out of a 5.0 litre hmmm..... almost as much.
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Gladiatoro, you are wrong yet again. I just looked at your little 150 + dyno pull link. That's at the crank not the tires. So that is not even 500 at the tires bud.

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I have a 2010 RT and a 2010 GT. The RT has complete SRT8 suspension which was a great improvement over stock. Also has Flow master exhaust, Mopar CAI, 20" Crave wheels and an Automatic. The automatic shift points are horrible. Its an auto stick so I rarely leave it in drive. I love the RT but I love the GT way better. The RT feels like a boat compared to the GT. The RT has a smoother ride but the GT is way more fun to drive. Ultimately I like the GT better and will be getting a Boss 302 in the coming months.
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Gladiatoro, you are wrong yet again. I just looked at your little 150 + dyno pull link. That's at the crank not the tires. So that is not even 500 at the tires bud.

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How to you figure that if you listen carefully in the video the vortech guy says the standard kit makes 390-410 hp . That would be rwhp Now the kit I have with the Ho intercooler makes 190+ RWHP over stock at 10psi NOT 16psi that equates to 530 crank Hp on only 10psi you do the math , and check the link.

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Good lord BHP is at the CRANK!!!!! Why are you so hard headed and think you know everything. Stop relying on Google I have stressed this plenty of times

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Good lord BHP is at the CRANK!!!!! Why are you so hard headed and think you know everything. Stop relying on Google I have stressed this plenty of times

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Well rwhp sounds better even if your right 575 crank hp on a stock
motor with just the SUPERCHARAGER added is not bad at all. And it does prove the reliability of the 4.6 with over 150+ dyno pulls contrary to popular believe.
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Well rwhp sounds better even if your right 575 crank hp on a stock
motor with just the SUPERCHARAGER added is not bad at all. And it does prove the reliability of the 4.6 with over 150+ dyno pulls contrary to popular believe.
Yes you are right. 150+ dyno pulls is verry good. No matter what. That's a lot of abuse. And yes that's a good gain from a blower. Real good. 275hp is a good gain on top of the 300 stock dam near double.

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Yes you are right. 150+ dyno pulls is verry good. No matter what. That's a lot of abuse. And yes that's a good gain from a blower. Real good. 275hp is a good gain on top of the 300 stock dam near double.

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Finally we agree ha ... I knew you would come around to my way of thinking.

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Finally we agree ha ... I knew you would come around to my way of thinking.

Wouldn't go that far lol

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Here's one of the best reasons to get the mustang. BTW, this SRT8 has a cam full exhaust, gears, nitrous, intake, tune and tires. Notice on the second video that the SRT8 sprays the Coyote to walk him down.



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I own one of each. Completely different cars.

Mustang is raw / fast / thrilling / looks great with mods.

Challenger is a serious cruiser. Great suspension, great exhaust notes, great look.

Cant go wrong with either imo. I'm lucky enough not to have to choose

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