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Old 05-28-2014, 08:36 PM   #1
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dyno tune or handheld tuner?

New to the forum and I've searched around but haven't found a straight answer i do have a handheld from BAMA but been told a dyne is better. how do the benefits differ from the handheld?
mods so far are intake, gutted cats and tuner.
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For basic stuff, I think a handheld is probably the most economical way to go about tuning the car. Once you start doing big stuff, like full exhaust, Boss manifold, cams...maybe even gears for an auto...you'll want a dyno tune, where they can compare pulls and adjust things realtime instead of playing the 'lemme datalog and mail you things and wait for a response' game.
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This will likely start another flame war but...
Bama is more aggressive will give you better gains, HP, torque than Lund, at least on the level of a lightly moded car.
People on this forum will tell you that a bama tune is garbage, that it will blow your engine up, etc. Bama offeres a warranty on their tunes, its good for 3 years or 36k mile. I dont see that Lund offers any warranty at all.
here is a copy of said warranty: http://files.americanmuscle.com/forum/Bama_Warranty.pdf

as far as a Dyno tune. from what i have heard, unless you are taking your car to a shop that specializes in newer mustangs, has a newer mustang as their show car, or are a renowned racing outfit, your much better going with a canned tune as the engines are far to advanced for your average dyno garage to do correctly. companies that sell tunes do nothing but tune, they have several cars that they are constantly tinkering with.
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New to the forum and I've searched around but haven't found a straight answer i do have a handheld from BAMA but been told a dyne is better. how do the benefits differ from the handheld?
mods so far are intake, gutted cats and tuner.
currently saving for 3.73 gears and stage 3 cam
You really don't need a dyno tune for these cars until you're into forced induction. Especially for an 11-14 Mustang, since they come factory with widebands (Air/Fuel Meters). Which means when you datalog your car, you can send all of the information any tuner needs to know within that datalog. Then the tuner can make corrections and email you an updated tune to load into the car. Once finished, your Mustang will be dialed in just as well as it could be on a dyno!

If you have a Bama tuner and bought it used, you can always enroll yourself into our Free Tunes for Life program for $150. Which will give you 3 custom tunes right from the start, plus you can request any addition tunes for other octanes or for new mods when you need them.

If you're new to tuning it can be pretty overwhelming, so feel free to give me a shout with any questions you may have. Also, you can talk to a Bama Tuning Specialist at the number in my signature too!

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People on this forum will tell you that a bama tune is garbage, that it will blow your engine up, etc. Bama offeres a warranty on their tunes, its good for 3 years or 36k mile. I dont see that Lund offers any warranty at all.
here is a copy of said warranty: http://files.americanmuscle.com/forum/Bama_Warranty.pdf
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The Bama warranty is for #8 cylinder, nothing more. Great marketing gimmick.
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Lol. This is actually the very first person I have ever come across that says BAMA is better than Lund! I have both, and like both. Fact is, Lund tune is a half second quicker in the quarter, gets better fuel economy, and drivability is better. No issues with the BAMA, but it is def not a John Lund tune.
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This will likely start another flame war but...
Bama is more aggressive will give you better gains, HP, torque than Lund, at least on the level of a lightly moded car.
People on this forum will tell you that a bama tune is garbage, that it will blow your engine up, etc. Bama offeres a warranty on their tunes, its good for 3 years or 36k mile. I dont see that Lund offers any warranty at all.
here is a copy of said warranty: http://files.americanmuscle.com/forum/Bama_Warranty.pdf

as far as a Dyno tune. from what i have heard, unless you are taking your car to a shop that specializes in newer mustangs, has a newer mustang as their show car, or are a renowned racing outfit, your much better going with a canned tune as the engines are far to advanced for your average dyno garage to do correctly. companies that sell tunes do nothing but tune, they have several cars that they are constantly tinkering with.
So... what actual experience do YOU have personally with dyno tuning or Bama vs Lund? Do you even have a Coyote?

Sounds like yet another typical info recycler.
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Let me help by bringing in some clarity, so people can stop FLAMING EACH OTHER.

A dyno tune is really just a matter of the correct tool for the right job plain and simple, it is not there to boost your ego.

A Bama tune is generally speaking a "CANNED TUNE", this does not necessarily mean that it is bad; just generic that is all.

A datalog tune is as close to getting a "CUSTOM TUNE" as you can get i.e. Lund, VMP, AED, Rev Auto.

How you choose between the three is your personal choice, don't let anyone sway you into their own thoughts. NO ONE TUNE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER, but more along the lines of WHICH ONE IS MORE REFINED!!! I only say this relating to street driving characteristics not racing, considering majority of the people purchasing canned tunes are daily drivers. Then again I know a lot of people who go to a dyno shop and still only daily drive their vehicles.

As an American Muscle affiliate just mentioned, you don't really need to go to a dyno. The only reason you go to a dyno is if A) you want bragging rights over some number. B) You really need help from a dyno tuner to diagnose problems and the fact that it is much safer for your well being & others to do a straight out WOT pull on a dyno then rather the street!
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This will likely start another flame war but...
Bama is more aggressive will give you better gains, HP, torque than Lund, at least on the level of a lightly moded car.
People on this forum will tell you that a bama tune is garbage, that it will blow your engine up, etc. Bama offeres a warranty on their tunes, its good for 3 years or 36k mile. I dont see that Lund offers any warranty at all.
here is a copy of said warranty: http://files.americanmuscle.com/forum/Bama_Warranty.pdf

as far as a Dyno tune. from what i have heard, unless you are taking your car to a shop that specializes in newer mustangs, has a newer mustang as their show car, or are a renowned racing outfit, your much better going with a canned tune as the engines are far to advanced for your average dyno garage to do correctly. companies that sell tunes do nothing but tune, they have several cars that they are constantly tinkering with.
Majority of this quote is extremely far-fetched I really don't want to put you down but I do need to correct this accusation. IF YOU HAVE A DYNO IN YOUR SHOP YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING! Hearing from your neighbor or friend in a car club is much different than actually experiencing it IN PERSON which I have many many times. Of course you would only take your BRAND NEW Mustang to a shop that specializes in tuning late model mustangs, that is the equivalent of saying HEY!!! they build engines for early 90's 5.0 Mustangs, they really must know a lot about modern mustangs. Well sadly that is a boomerang response.

Choosing a "canned tune" is NEVER THE BEST CHOICE, period!!! A canned tune is a generic tune. Is your motor exactly the same as your best friends with the same exact year and make as yours??? NO IT IS NOT! Plus any person with just a bit of common sense would infer that maybe they should take their brand new 5.0 coyote mustang to a reputable shop that specializes in as I stated before late model mustangs.

BTW the warranty that Bama offers only pertains to your warranty as given to you by Ford, not whenever you buy the tune. So if you buy a BAMA tune at 29,999 miles and you have owned your vehicle for 2 years and 364 days, guess what the BAMA warranty expires whenever you tick over 1 mile on the odometer OR when it hits 12:01AM THAT DAY! It is a gimmic, that is what free enterprise allows you to do.
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IF YOU HAVE A DYNO IN YOUR SHOP YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING!
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first off i want to say thank you all for your input. Obviously there is a lot of back and forth in all this but i got the answer i needed. thank you all have a nice day
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first off i want to say thank you all for your input. Obviously there is a lot of back and forth in all this but i got the answer i needed. thank you all have a nice day
Very diplomatic there! I like that.
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