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Old 07-05-2014, 11:26 AM   #1
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Longtube Header question

What's up everyone, it's been a while since I last posted on here but I have a question. I am going to be purchasing some long tubes within the next week or two and I am curious to know what everyone is running as far as brand, finish, and your thoughts about your set up so far. More specifically, I would like to know everyones experience between ceramic and polished or SS systems..thanks.
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There's the cheaper brands and the more expensive brands. Cheaper being Pypes, BBK, JBA, etc.. More expensive being Stainless Works, American Racing Headers, and Kooks. The cheaper brands just don't look like quality compared to the more expensive brands.

Personally, I'm going with Kooks when I do headers. Quite expensive, but I want my headers to last. If you have the extra coin, spend a little more to get the ceramic finish, it may last a little longer and run cooler.
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Kooks are not a "actual" longtubes design,
Stainless works are great
Jba has grown alot in popularity with the 5.0's they just hand a little lower.

Best bet is to wrap them with heat tape. Best way to do this is with the tape wet, works alot easier vs it being dry. Cuts Down on underhood temp greatly.

As far as ceramic etc. Just personall preference,
natural headers and heat tape

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With ceramic headers, I've heard that once the ceramic coating starts chipping off the metal that is used is actually weaker than stainless. Is that problem something to worry about? I know how much of a pain these things are to put in so I only want to do it once lol.
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I don't even think Kooks/Stainless Works/ARH even carry a ceramic coated header, they're all natural... Which says something.

I've always been recommended to go with ceramic but my only option has been stainless so I haven't really looked into ceramic in detail.
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Yea I agree..another question. If I wrap the headers, that won't promote rust when it gets wet? I know stainless steel doesn't rust easily but I'm curious.
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I have Pypes long tubes, I'm really happy with them, buddy of mine had JBA's and he was happy with them, I just don't see dropping $1500+ on headers and mid pipe........

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What finish did you get when you ordered the Pypes? I was looking and was considering Stainless Power LTs, and they come with offroad or high flow catted X pipes for less than $900. I been reading that they are supposed to be very similar Stainless Works but at a lower price. Anyone, heard anything about those?
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As far as rust. Never seen any. They make a silicone spray that can be used on top of the wrap, if wanted.

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Kooks and Pypes are our two biggest sellers. We just picked up ARH which I'm sure is going to be a big hit.

Stainless power are popular but are still made in China. Just an fyi.
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What finish did you get when you ordered the Pypes? I was looking and was considering Stainless Power LTs, and they come with offroad or high flow catted X pipes for less than $900. I been reading that they are supposed to be very similar Stainless Works but at a lower price. Anyone, heard anything about those?
Pypes are only available in stainless, but it's the higher grade stainless, FYI Pypes can had for $8xx with an o/r pipe

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I have kooks with o/r xpipe and the quality couldn't be any better.


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Cool, thanks guys for all this info.
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Right now Pypes and off road X pipe are 660 shipped
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Pypes are a stepped header design and the fastest N/A Coyote runs them. I'd say they work. And it looks like Jay has an excellent price on them.
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Right now Pypes and off road X pipe are 660 shipped
Jesus man!!! are you serious right now? people looking for LT's need to hop on this deal!!!

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After talking to the guy that tunes my car I drank the Kooks kool aid. Not saying there aren't any performance gains with the less expensive brands but in dyno testing they've had the best luck with them they stated. I did opt for ceramic coat to lessen the heat in the engine bay and kooks does recommend it they just don't mass produce them with ceramic coat to give the end user the choice. Maryland speed has some great deals running right now, I believe stainless works with off-road x are under $1k currently.


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I don't even think Kooks/Stainless Works/ARH even carry a ceramic coated header, they're all natural... Which says something.

I've always been recommended to go with ceramic but my only option has been stainless so I haven't really looked into ceramic in detail.

They are all stainless steel, not natural finish.

I have the stainless power LT's and I bought them from jayman, got a great deal too. Yes they're made in China but they're made of the same materials and to the same specifications as the stainless works headers are. Biggest problem with pypes (at least in the recent past) is their fitment issues. Many people say they go on easily and others say it's a nightmare. Just remember you get what you pay for.

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^^ You're correct, stainless, my bad*
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Yeah, we push a lot of Stainless power as well. Those can be had for a little bit more. Our two biggest sellers are Kooks and Pypes, we did however just pick up ARH!
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Am I correct in saying that the difference in power between and offroad X or H and a catted X or H are minimal? Also, I would prefer to keep the H pipe because I rather that sound over the X. I know JBA has H pipes, but it seems like most companies only make an X..why is that?
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X pipe are easier to fabricate in mass. Off road will make more power than high flow cats, don't have a number but its substantial. Kooks is by the best in regards to quality in the h pipe. Never been a JBA fan to be honest.
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Cool, do you know if the Kooks H pipe can be used with the pypes headers? That sounds like it will be my combination.
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I honestly don't know, I've never thought to try it. You'd be surprised at the cost you can get Kooks LT's for though
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What is the difference between the kooks catted x and h pipe. What would sound. Better with muffler deletes?
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H pipe would allow for the deeper tone.
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Kooks is by the best in regards to quality in the h pipe.
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H pipe would allow for the deeper tone.
Both reasons why I'm going with Kooks.
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I had BBK on my last car for about 25k miles took them off and put them on my new car. They still looked brand new and I'm very happy with them. They were the stainless ones. I don't see spending $1500 on a set of kooks headers. I think that's crazy spending for no real gain. I've pushed my old car pretty hard shifting at high rpm's. Surely they must have gotten pretty hot. When I took them off they looked brand new as if I just put them on. Just my 2 cents.
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If you get em from Jayman they won't be $1,500
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Am I correct in saying that the difference in power between and offroad X or H and a catted X or H are minimal? Also, I would prefer to keep the H pipe because I rather that sound over the X. I know JBA has H pipes, but it seems like most companies only make an X..why is that?

Depends what your idea of minimal is, non catted vs catted is in the neighborhood of 10-15 hp. In my opinion if your not in a state where you need to worry about emissions testing why wouldn't you go catless. Please save the responses about federal law blah blah blah.


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Right now Pypes and off road X pipe are 660 shipped

Uh wow are you serious?Can you send me a link with some more info plz I'm very interested
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Should I get an h or an x? I want full catless exhaust and QTP cutouts installed but I want it to sound stock.

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Uh wow are you serious?Can you send me a link with some more info plz I'm very interested

I'm guessing maryland speed is the vendor he's referring to...


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1500$ for a set of kooks headers?? Where are you shopping. I just got mine from AM for under 1000$ and that's free shipping. Jayman did have a sweet deal tho a while back offering 15% off all kooks products if I'm not mistaken. Wish I had the cash then.


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1500$ for a set of kooks headers?? Where are you shopping. I just got mine from AM for under 1000$ and that's free shipping. Jayman did have a sweet deal tho a while back offering 15% off all kooks products if I'm not mistaken. Wish I had the cash then.


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Am has them with a catted x for 1500 - our 6% discount the cheapest I've found is stage3 for a little over 1300 with a 5% discount


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