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Old 07-17-2014, 07:37 AM   #1
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Trading car in with gears?

So my girlfriend has decided its time to upgrade from her 3.7 v6 to a 5.0 and we will be stocking her out this weekend. The only problem is, we switched from her factory 2.73s to a set of Ford Racing 3.73s and are trying to decide what to do at this point. We obviously want to keep her tuner for her new 5.0, but i dont want to have to drop the coin on another set of 2.73s and pay a shop to swap them back in so we're debating just trading the car in with the 3.73s. Now obviously the speedo will be off and i dont want any bad karma or JUJU (plus its just kinda the wrong thing to do...) trading in a car i know is "defective," but i'm just not quite sure how to address this issue with Ford when we try to trade it in.

Should i try to tell them the gears were installed at Ford and we just didnt have the speedo recalibrated? Should i just try to pass it off and hope no one will notice, Just not sure at this point and any input would be much appreciated, thanks guys.
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just tell the sales person and you will be covered both legally and morally.
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Turns out the dealership will recalibrate them. I was worried about it being flagged for warranty for being "modified" and us getting screwed on the trade in. The car is a 2014 v6 with 17k miles, so we're hoping to get a decent bit back. I have a few friends that work for Ford, so i'll hopefully be able to get this in under the radar and all sorted out.
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Every dealership I've talked to said that they can't calibrate for gears that were not a factory option though. So they can only calibrate for 2.73s and 3.31s.

Also, shouldn't this be in the V6 section?
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Don't say anything.
**** I sold my roush and kept the tuner. Part of buying a used car.

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Every dealership I've talked to said that they can't calibrate for gears that were not a factory option though. So they can only calibrate for 2.73s and 3.31s.

Also, shouldn't this be in the V6 section?
Gears are gears, so section is irrelevent, but i drive a 5.0 so i am used to this section.

Didnt think about that though... 3.73s were never a factory v6 option. Hmmmm.
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Just trade it in. Don't say anything, any mods can bring down the amount they give you, just pretend it's stock for as far as they know.

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When we brought it home from the shop (forgot the tuner at home) it said we were doing 60 mph in the neighborhood lol... i think they'll notice. 2.73 to 3.73 is quite the difference.
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Chances are they won't. Never had them test drive any car I got rid of either.

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Just trade it in. Don't say anything, any mods can bring down the amount they give you, just pretend it's stock for as far as they know.
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When we brought it home from the shop (forgot the tuner at home) it said we were doing 60 mph in the neighborhood lol... i think they'll notice. 2.73 to 3.73 is quite the difference.
F them. Just trade it in and don't say a word. Let them figure it out.
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and sales people have a rep for beinging dishonest.

The OP mentioned doing the right thing. Props to him for it.
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and sales people have a rep for beinging dishonest.

The OP mentioned doing the right thing. Props to him for it.

Its not that im worried about ripping the dealership off, its the next person who buys it and is none the wiser. Good for them they got free 3.73's, but not if it costs them a lot of time and effort figuring out why the speedo is out of whack.
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Pshhhhh. Nutt up

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Promise you the sales people are going to lie there *** off to you.

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Yea, I would feed bad for the next person that buys the car if they didn't know what was in it, but if you tell the dealer it's been modified, they will try to rip you off on the trade in value.
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Depending on how many miles are on it, the dealership will more than likely send it off to auction anyways. Tell them it's modded and loose your ads on it.
If its a good dealership then they will fix whatever it is b4 they stick it on the lot, of they do not send to auction

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I bet half the cars out there have wrong speedos anyway due to owners putting wrong sized tires without even thinking.

If you really are worried about karma then just take solace in knowing that its a +1 Nd -1 relationship.

You pay to fix it. It cost you.

You don't pay to fix it. It don't cost you up front but will cost you in the end. BUT if it don't bite you then you win.

So... Its a 100% chance u pay if u fix it.
50% chance if karma bites you.
50% it won't bite u.

So either way fuk karma
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I bet half the cars out there have wrong speedos anyway due to owners putting wrong sized tires without even thinking.

If you really are worried about karma then just take solace in knowing that its a +1 Nd -1 relationship.

You pay to fix it. It cost you.

You don't pay to fix it. It don't cost you up front but will cost you in the end. BUT if it don't bite you then you win.

So... Its a 100% chance u pay if u fix it.
50% chance if karma bites you.
50% it won't bite u.

So either way fuk karma
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This is exactly why I bought new instead of used. Too many unscrupulous people out there that are more than willing to screw the next guy. At least with a new car I didn't have to worry about what some jackass did to it before. Kudos to the OP for wanting to do the right thing, you are a rare breed my friend.
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This is exactly why I bought new instead of used. Too many unscrupulous people out there that are more than willing to screw the next guy. At least with a new car I didn't have to worry about what some jackass did to it before. Kudos to the OP for wanting to do the right thing, you are a rare breed my friend.
Lol true. Its game theory at play. Its just better to not fix it than fix it because the odds of you getting screwed over even if you do the right thing is still the same chance as if you don't do the right thing.

Actually if I am gonna have to pay to fix a car whether the one I'm trading in or the next car I buy I rather pay for the car I'm getting because I'm keeping her versus if I paid to fix the trade in then if something still goes wrong with the new car I will have fixed both cars.

Because doing the right thing does not guarantee you not getting screwed anyway with the next car new or used. Thus the term "Buyer Beware [in today's fukked up world]."
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Trading car in with gears?

"Let those who are sinless cast the first stone."

I take it to also mean if you truly believe in karma then nothing anyone does will matter because by your own virtue of always being upfront no bad will come to you.

So if you are sinless lead the way with righteousness.

Death will pass your door. Sickness will be a foreign thing. Love and laughter will abound. Sadness and tears will disappear. Cuz karma is fair after all right?
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It comes down to used car smarts, not entirely the attitude of "screwing the next guy."

Hopefully anyone who is about to make a $20K+ purchase will test drive and inspect the car first. If they notice oddities (i.e. speedo being off), they can tell Ford. Ford can diagnose the car and inform the buyer. Then the buyer can negotiate with Ford or not buy it, etc..
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Come on now how will they really know the speedo is off lol


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That is true lol. But there was a debate in one of the threads here regarding whether or not a traffic ticket can be dismissed based on an incorrectly calibrated speedo.

Maybe this will be the best time to test this out? Lol

Anyway, its only the speedo that's off. Doesn't the OP have some tunes? Its simple to re calibrate if its one of those tunes for life no? I'm sure even if its not tunes for life the place that tuned his car might re calibrate for him for free or a nominal fee.

If the OP is just too lazy to do this then yeah watch out for karma. Lol

Besides, just cuz u sell the car don't mean u have to sell the tuner too. That's dumb. Keep the tuner. Calibrate for the next guy.
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I wouldn't worry about karma if you screw the dealer, who knows how many people they screwed. Maybe leave a note or something the next potential buyer can find to let them know.
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^That's another thing. Its not weird (at least to me) to want to either contact or have the dealer contact the previous owner (if possible) to ask questions about the car. I wasn't able to contact the previous/only owner of my GT, but the dealership said they actually had a decent relationship with the previous owner and were able to fill me in. The car was also bone stock so there wasn't much to say as well.
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Take it to the dealer ship dont say anything and when you get home give them a call and say you forgot to tell them about it haha
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