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Old 08-28-2014, 11:36 PM   #1
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My fiancé thinks her
Soon to be 2014 evolution MR will outrun my 2014 5.0. What do you guys think? I have boss h pipe(ontheway) 93race tune JLT carbon fiber intake and lighter wheels? The evo is
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What kind of race are we talking about?

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In a straight line the gt will spank the evo, the only advantage is the 4 wheel dive launch. If u put good stickies on the gt it won't even be a race. I have tangled with a 2012 evo with my 94 gt with like no power and 3.73's and I was keeping up big time. Not street raceing of course.
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Just a drag race guys. I drove the evo today and it doesn't have as much power you can tell but it handles
Like its on freakin rails. I love it. That was the first time is ever driven an evo but the power didn't impress me
Because all these tuner guys around here say they can spank my coyote and I will now laugh at them. I thought they had more a$$ than that.


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If she can drive she will pull a better launch than you. But you will reel her in fast.
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Well the evo is an automatic btw


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Autos shift faster than a manual in a drag race. So you better hit your shifts.
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I'm auto as well lol


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Stock? What's on her car or what's she going to install? 4g63's can be, very sneaky but stock for stock she should be ready to get embarrassed.
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She will get spanked in a drag race. My 3.7 can take a stock evo by a car length or two.
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Stock? What's on her car or what's she going to install? 4g63's can be, very sneaky but stock for stock she should be ready to get embarrassed.
The 4G63 died with the Evo 9. The Evo X has an all aluminum 4B11T. Also Evo X automatics now have a dual clutch gearbox.


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She will get spanked in a drag race. My 3.7 can take a stock evo by a car length or two.
I've seen a stock Evo run 12's. My old Evo 8 MR even when it was stock would absolutely murder my 3.7 and my 3.7 has went 13.6 @ 105.



The automatic in that Evo is a dual clutch gearbox. It is beyond anything your automatic will ever be. That car also comes with launch control, which works extremely well.

Stock for stock, the Evo would likely be ahead until around 60, from that point on, it's all 5.0.

That Evo with a little bit of work would seriously hand you your ***. $1500 or so into that car should get it close to 350 whp (intake, tune, test pipe, cat-back, boost controller and E85 possibly injectors for E85) and you will have a hell of a time hanging with it until speeds are well into the triple digits.

Evo X's with those mods are running high 11- low 12's consistently.
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The 4G63 died with the Evo 9. The Evo X has an all aluminum 4B11T. Also Evo X automatics now have a dual clutch gearbox.




I've seen a stock Evo run 12's. My old Evo 8 MR even when it was stock would absolutely murder my 3.7 and my 3.7 has went 13.6 @ 105.



The automatic in that Evo is a dual clutch gearbox. It is beyond anything your automatic will ever be. That car also comes with launch control, which works extremely well.

Stock for stock, the Evo would likely be ahead until around 60, from that point on, it's all 5.0.

That Evo with a little bit of work would seriously hand you your ***. $1500 or so into that car should get it close to 350 whp (intake, tune, test pipe, cat-back, boost controller and E85 possibly injectors for E85) and you will have a hell of a time hanging with it until speeds are well into the triple digits.

Evo X's with those mods are running high 11- low 12's consistently.
Guess the guy I raced couldn't drive then. His was a stick not the auto MR.
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Guess the guy I raced couldn't drive then. His was a stick not the auto MR.
If it was an Evo X with a stick, then it's entirely possible with a bad driver.
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What everyone else said. It's a mivec motor in the MR and with the dual clutch is no slouch. A turbo back exhaust and intake and the 5.0 won't even be a memory.


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What everyone else said. It's a mivec motor in the MR and with the dual clutch is no slouch. A turbo back exhaust and intake and the 5.0 won't even be a memory.


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It'll take a bit more than intake and exhaust to make the 5.0 less than a memory.

Put a boost controller, testpipe and a tune, now we're talking.

I hear just a stock Evo X with a tune can push 280whp. Add $1500 to that and you can look at 330whp maybe on a lighter car with AWD.


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It'll take a bit more than intake and exhaust to make the 5.0 less than a memory.

Put a boost controller, testpipe and a tune, now we're talking.

I hear just a stock Evo X with a tune can push 280whp. Add $1500 to that and you can look at 330whp maybe on a lighter car with AWD.


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Just an intake, tune, test pipe, cat-back and boost controller can get 330 - 350 whp on 91/93 gas. On E85, 350 - 370 whp should be possible. Although, you would really be stressing the turbo at that point.

That is enough to make one of those cars get 0 - 60 in under 4 seconds and run the 1320 in the low, low 12's or high 11's at 113 - 116 mph.

Anything after about 110 - 120 and the Evo's just run out of gear.
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It'll take a bit more than intake and exhaust to make the 5.0 less than a memory.

Put a boost controller, testpipe and a tune, now we're talking.

I hear just a stock Evo X with a tune can push 280whp. Add $1500 to that and you can look at 330whp maybe on a lighter car with AWD.


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I had a 2011 EVO X. I meant to add to that a tune as well. If there was no tune at all the car wouldn't run right obviously. I had a full TBE, intake, and mbcs, and put down 327/315 on a mustang dyno. Anyone who knows how to launch AWD with that set up is good for 12.5's. I'm barely scraping 12's stock in the 5.0.


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Just an intake, tune, test pipe, cat-back and boost controller can get 330 - 350 whp on 91/93 gas. On E85, 350 - 370 whp should be possible. Although, you would really be stressing the turbo at that point.



That is enough to make one of those cars get 0 - 60 in under 4 seconds and run the 1320 in the low, low 12's or high 11's at 113 - 116 mph.



Anything after about 110 - 120 and the Evo's just run out of gear.

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Just an intake, tune, test pipe, cat-back and boost controller can get 330 - 350 whp on 91/93 gas. On E85, 350 - 370 whp should be possible. Although, you would really be stressing the turbo at that point.



That is enough to make one of those cars get 0 - 60 in under 4 seconds and run the 1320 in the low, low 12's or high 11's at 113 - 116 mph.



Anything after about 110 - 120 and the Evo's just run out of gear.

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Just an intake, tune, test pipe, cat-back and boost controller can get 330 - 350 whp on 91/93 gas. On E85, 350 - 370 whp should be possible. Although, you would really be stressing the turbo at that point.

That is enough to make one of those cars get 0 - 60 in under 4 seconds and run the 1320 in the low, low 12's or high 11's at 113 - 116 mph.

Anything after about 110 - 120 and the Evo's just run out of gear.
we could also throw those mods in the 5.0 (minus the boost controller )

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we could also throw those mods in the 5.0 (minus the boost controller )

The mods on that car you posted are -

Barton Short Throw Shifter
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The mods I listed aren't going to make the Mustang get off the line any faster. From a roll race the Mustang has the advantage. From a dig, the Evo with it's AWD, dual clutch automatic and launch control will absolutely own the Mustang. It will be bad enough that the Evo will likely have almost a 1 second advantage 0 - 60 and the Mustang won't reel the Evo in until after 100 MPH.

Going to strip in a coyote with slicks is fine, unless you have a stall (since Ops car is automatic and the video you posted was manual launching at 5,000 rpm), you still aren't going to get off the line faster than that Evo will. It's not going to be as bad as it would be on the street (assuming the track is prepped) but the Evo will still have a huge advantage in the first 330 feet.

Do a little research, an Evo X with everything I listed on E85 has no issues walking your average bolt on/tune 5.0 on 91/93.
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The mods on that car you posted are -



Barton Short Throw Shifter

JLT Intake

Pypes X-pipe

GT500 axle back

AED E85 dyno tune

47 Injectors



BMR Relocation bracket

Race Stars Wheel set

Rear seat delete

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The mods I listed aren't going to make the Mustang get off the line any faster. From a roll race the Mustang has the advantage. From a dig, the Evo with it's AWD, dual clutch automatic and launch control will absolutely own the Mustang. It will be bad enough that the Evo will likely have almost a 1 second advantage 0 - 60 and the Mustang won't reel the Evo in until after 100 MPH.



Going to strip in a coyote with slicks is fine, unless you have a stall (since Ops car is automatic and the video you posted was manual launching at 5,000 rpm), you still aren't going to get off the line faster than that Evo will. It's not going to be as bad as it would be on the street (assuming the track is prepped) but the Evo will still have a huge advantage in the first 330 feet.



Do a little research, an Evo X with everything I listed on E85 has no issues walking your average bolt on/tune 5.0 on 91/93.

Again, this ^. I love mustangs just like the next guy, but at the strip, doesn't really hold a candle to a mildly bolted on EVO. Hell, a stock X if launched properly could probably get pretty damn near close to a 5.0 in the 1/4.


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Thanks for the input guys!! I think we're
Gonna go sign the papers on the evo right now. She will be keeping it stock minus some tint for the windows and maybe an exhaust.


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Again, this ^. I love mustangs just like the next guy, but at the strip, doesn't really hold a candle to a mildly bolted on EVO. Hell, a stock X if launched properly could probably get pretty damn near close to a 5.0 in the 1/4.


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I got to disagree. A stock evo isn't gonna run what a stock 5.0 will . the mods I posted aren't far off what the evo has the evo will def get off the line better but the mustang will catch right up. Now a modddled 8th gen evo is another level.

If we want to talk $ to $ for the price I paid for Mt mustang I could almost supercharge it for the price of a new auto evo. Then the evo gets destroyed.
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I got to disagree. A stock evo isn't gonna run what a stock 5.0 will . the mods I posted aren't far off what the evo has the evo will def get off the line better but the mustang will catch right up. Now a modddled 8th gen evo is another level.



If we want to talk $ to $ for the price I paid for Mt mustang I could almost supercharge it for the price of a new auto evo. Then the evo gets destroyed.

Well if you're going to take it there, we may as well be comparing apples to oranges lol. And an EVO X will certainly keep up with a 5.0 in the 1/4. I've had both, and driven both down the 1/4. A low 13 is pretty achievable for both vehicles and 12's for both is driving the absolute balls off of them. Of course I'm also referring the mustang being on the stock garbage pirellis. Point is, down the 1/4, they're pretty close. Anything longer, of course the 5.0 is going to pull.


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I've seen anywhere from a 12.8 to a 13.2 in a stock MR. I hit 13 on the nose. My mustang with full suspension, LCA's, LCA relo's, UCA with bracket, panhard, etc had a very hard time pulling off a 13.013 @ 108.


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I've seen anywhere from a 12.8 to a 13.2 in a stock MR. I hit 13 on the nose. My mustang with full suspension, LCA's, LCA relo's, UCA with bracket, panhard, etc had a very hard time pulling off a 13.013 @ 108.


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I had stock Pirellis, intake, catback, tune and 2" Eibach sportlines with not other mods, and ran 0-60 in 4.3s and 1320 at 12.63s. That was my best. The second best was 12.76s


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I had stock Pirellis, intake, catback, tune and 2" Eibach sportlines with not other mods, and ran 0-60 in 4.3s and 1320 at 12.63s. That was my best. The second best was 12.76s


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Those are good times. I'm mechanically stock down to the paper panel filter. A good tune I would assume, would net you those times.


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I got to disagree. A stock evo isn't gonna run what a stock 5.0 will . the mods I posted aren't far off what the evo has the evo will def get off the line better but the mustang will catch right up. Now a modddled 8th gen evo is another level.

If we want to talk $ to $ for the price I paid for Mt mustang I could almost supercharge it for the price of a new auto evo. Then the evo gets destroyed.
Evo X's have went 12.8 @ 105.8, 100% stock. The 13/14 have a more aggressive tune from the factory than the 08 - 12 had. They generally run 13.0 - 13.5 @ 102 - 105.

That puts them with the majority of stock Coyotes. Given, the 5.0's MPH is generally 108 - 111.

The Evo's are a bit pricey considering their performance. However, there is a ton of easily tapped potential in them.

As for mods, an Evo X with just a tune can have gains of over 70whp and 70wtq on 93 octane.

For less than $1,000 you can add over 125 rwhp and 85rwtq on 93, go to E85 (add injectors, fuel pump and tune) and you can get damn close to 400whp and 400wtq.

That's really damn impressive.
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Evo X's have went 12.8 @ 105.8, 100% stock. The 13/14 have a more aggressive tune from the factory than the 08 - 12 had. They generally run 13.0 - 13.5 @ 102 - 105.



That puts them with the majority of stock Coyotes. Given, the 5.0's MPH is generally 108 - 111.



The Evo's are a bit pricey considering their performance. However, there is a ton of easily tapped potential in them.



As for mods, an Evo X with just a tune can have gains of over 70whp and 70wtq on 93 octane.



For less than $1,000 you can add over 125 rwhp and 85rwtq on 93, go to E85 (add injectors, fuel pump and tune) and you can get damn close to 400whp and 400wtq.



That's really damn impressive.

It is a great bang for buck vehicle. So is the 5.0 if you want to go FI, but I'm with ya man.


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Evo X's have went 12.8 @ 105.8, 100% stock. The 13/14 have a more aggressive tune from the factory than the 08 - 12 had. They generally run 13.0 - 13.5 @ 102 - 105.

That puts them with the majority of stock Coyotes. Given, the 5.0's MPH is generally 108 - 111.

The Evo's are a bit pricey considering their performance. However, there is a ton of easily tapped potential in them.

As for mods, an Evo X with just a tune can have gains of over 70whp and 70wtq on 93 octane.

For less than $1,000 you can add over 125 rwhp and 85rwtq on 93, go to E85 (add injectors, fuel pump and tune) and you can get damn close to 400whp and 400wtq.

That's really damn impressive.
Yes. It how expensive is the evo. I got my 5.0 with recaros and brembos w/auto for around 30k. I could throw a super Into the mix for the price of the evo. If the mustangs boosted its game over for that price point
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Yes. It how expensive is the evo. I got my 5.0 with recaros and brembos w/auto for around 30k. I could throw a super Into the mix for the price of the evo. If the mustangs boosted its game over for that price point

I concur, but we're talking stock for stock here. And a fully equipped MR will run you close to 40k.


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And if you're gunna boost a coyote the right way, better get forged internals and lower compression. An evo is built to be pushed from the factory a little better in my opinion. The clutch is usually the weak point on them.


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And if you're gunna boost a coyote the right way, better get forged internals and lower compression. An evo is built to be pushed from the factory a little better in my opinion. The clutch is usually the weak point on them.


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You do not need to lower the compression

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I concur, but we're talking stock for stock here. And a fully equipped MR will run you close to 40k.


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If I go low boost I'm good up to 600hp. After that u will def need to be forged. At that point ur gonna have to forge both . the new ego engine isn't as good as the 4g63
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You don't need to if you're going to run 8 psi no. I meant moreso if you're really going to boost the crap out of it.


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