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Old 10-09-2014, 11:36 PM   #1
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5.0 coyote vs 5.4 shelby

What's going on guys I don't own a 5.0 nor a 5.4 shelby but I hear there's a little rivalry going on between the 2 there was a dude in a bone stock 5.4 08 shelby I think talking back and forward to this coyote owner have any of you coyote owners taken down a 5.4 I was surprised that he was comparing a supercharged 5.4 to a bolt on coyote what do you guys think?

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I think the coyote would probably win depending on driver and made

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She older Shelbys are not that fast actually

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My money's on the 5.0


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2008 stock Shelby = 500hp @ 3,920 lbs = 7.84 lb/hp
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5.0 w/ minor bolt-ons = 462hp* @ 3,620 lbs = 7.84 lb/hp

(* - added 10% hp: 420 x 1.1 = 462)

B/c the Shelby's are heavier, they would have almost the same exact weight to power ratio so would probably have similar accelerations. So it would be some good competitive matches.

I'd much rather have a 5.8L based Shelby or a supercharged 5.0!
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5.0 coyote vs 5.4 shelby

Numbers don't really mean much. The coyote is a much better engine. Better tech in it. The VCT it has is amazing, forge it and get better valve springs and you can rev to 8k. I would pick a coyote over a 5.4 GT500. Before 2013 they were just dyno queens


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5.0 coyote vs 5.4 shelby

These threads are stupid. You can't compare a modded car on any level to a stock car. It's like the V6 guys saying "well If you do blah blah blah you can beat a 5.0". Either compare stock to stock or similar mods. But at the end of the day it's apples to oranges.


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These threads are stupid. You can't compare a modded car on any level to a stock car. It's like the V6 guys saying "well If you do blah blah blah you can beat a 5.0". Either compare stock to stock or similar mods. But at the end of the day it's apples to oranges.


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A STOCK 5.0 is a better motor than a STOCK 5.4 GT500 motor.

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A STOCK 5.0 is a better motor than a STOCK 5.4 GT500 motor.

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I agree! That's why I said:
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I'd much rather have a 5.8L based Shelby or a supercharged 5.0!
And for better apples to apples, I think it should be a supercharged 5.0 vs supercharged 5.4, not stock to stock, unless both cars had cost the same stock (new)!

The 2 cars are completely different prices, so to get them close "apples to apples" we need to slap a SC on the 5.0.
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I agree! That's why I said:


And for better apples to apples, I think it should be a supercharged 5.0 vs supercharged 5.4, not stock to stock, unless both cars had cost the same stock (new)!

The 2 cars are completely different prices, so to get them close "apples to apples" we need to slap a SC on the 5.0.
This is apples to oranges, though. Like me saying my car is better than a 5.0 because I'll be faster with a turbo and still cost less. A 5.0 will be faster than the GT500 when the same amount of money is spent. But a Mustang could be faster than a Lambo with the same money spent, too.

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I agree! That's why I said:


And for better apples to apples, I think it should be a supercharged 5.0 vs supercharged 5.4, not stock to stock, unless both cars had cost the same stock (new)!

The 2 cars are completely different prices, so to get them close "apples to apples" we need to slap a SC on the 5.0.
Then you can say a V6 mustang is a better car because a new V6 plus a turbo/SC is cheaper then a new 5.0 so its better. In reality all the mustang engines are good and serve their purposes. If you want maximum HP your always better off going with a cheaper car and modding it. But lets say someone ways 5-6 hundred HP and wants it to be 100% factory then the S/C 5.4 is a better choice.
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Any engine > 4.6


I would take the Shelby just take say I have one.

Win or lose the race, you still have better resale value.

The dealerships are the true winners here
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I would take the Shelby just take say I have one.

Win or lose the race, you still have better resale value.

The dealerships are the true winners here

You know the 5.4 has the exact same bore as the 4.6 right? The extra cubes come from the longer stroke. Nothing else, except for the supercharger of course.


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Numbers don't really mean much. The coyote is a much better engine. Better tech in it. The VCT it has is amazing, forge it and get better valve springs and you can rev to 8k. I would pick a coyote over a 5.4 GT500. Before 2013 they were just dyno queens


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Better tech is in the eye of the beholder. Some might think a new eco motor is better tech, and, to this day any decently built old tech engine can wipe a 5.0 off the table depending on what it's placed in.

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Stock for stock coyote will win
Boltons for Boltons the coyote will win

The 07-12 gt500's need a blower swap, then they are still dyno queens.

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I beat a 2012 shelby in my stock 5.0 2 nights ago 60-120 roll
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You know the 5.4 has the exact same bore as the 4.6 right? The extra cubes come from the longer stroke. Nothing else, except for the supercharger of course.


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Yup I do know that. The bore is what kills the 5.4 engine. It's too small
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Stock for stock coyote will win
Boltons for Boltons the coyote will win

The 07-12 gt500's need a blower swap, then they are still dyno queens.

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A Stock 5.0 will beat a stock GT 500, equal drivers? Seriously?
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A Stock 5.0 will beat a stock GT 500, equal drivers? Seriously?

Well... Maybe maybe not.

2008 GT500:
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1/4 - 12.7s @ 116mph

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Well... Maybe maybe not.

2008 GT500:
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1/4 - 12.7s @ 116mph

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Well... Maybe maybe not.

2008 GT500:
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1/4 - 12.7s @ 116mph

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And a base 5.0 is faster than a track pack. Actually a Trac pack car is the worst thing for the dragstrip. Great way to destroy the rear end.

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And a base 5.0 is faster than a track pack. Actually a Trac pack car is the worst thing for the dragstrip. Great way to destroy the rear end.

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Yes I know it'll turn the Torsen diff into shrapnel if you use DRs or slicks.

Was using MT figures which was a track pack cuz I never drove a GT500 before except that one time when the dealer was trying to sell me the leftover 2012 GT500 convertible.

Would have gotten that one if the gave her to me for invoice but they wanted $59k so I said nope I'll take Mia. Lol


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Browsing around, I an seeing IIs for the GT5o0s and 12.7 Best for sawe year GTS.

Sorry, on a crappy tablet!
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5.0 coyote vs 5.4 shelby

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Browsing around, I an seeing IIs for the GT5o0s and 12.7 Best for sawe year GTS.

Sorry, on a crappy tablet!

I have no idea what you're saying lol.

But the 11's you saw for GT500 are 13+ not the 5.4's least of all the older 08 5.4s.

All 5.4's ran from 12.4-12.7s on publication tests.

And OP was referring to a 2008 GT500 which runs 12.7s.

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I was looking at 11-12 GT500s, claiming in 11s, and 11-12 GTs claiming 12.7 best.

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I was looking at 11-12 GT500s, claiming in 11s, and 11-12 GTs claiming 12.7 best.

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Stock 11-12 will not run 11's

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Stock 11-12 will not run 11's

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What's going on guys I don't own a 5.0 nor a 5.4 shelby but I hear there's a little rivalry going on between the 2 there was a dude in a bone stock 5.4 08 shelby I think talking back and forward to this coyote owner have any of you coyote owners taken down a 5.4 I was surprised that he was comparing a supercharged 5.4 to a bolt on coyote what do you guys think?
...back on topic. 2008 bone stock Shelby vs bolt-on 5.0 coyote.
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5.0 coyote vs 5.4 shelby

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...back on topic. 2008 bone stock Shelby vs bolt-on 5.0 coyote.

So colorful...

A supercharger is technically a bolton. Does suspension count? A bone stock engine coyote with bolton suspension only will destroy the 08 GT500.

Or no suspension and just power mods? Then a bolton supercharger will destroy an 08 GT500 just barely because it'll be tractionless for half the damn track... Might actually not even see an improvement in eta other than maybe a higher trapspeed.

A supercharged full bolton and suspension modded 11+ GT will rape the 08 GT500 like a silverback gorilla on a cute little sexy *** chimpanzee.

This is why stock vs modded car never works out.

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A STOCK 5.0 is a better motor than a STOCK 5.4 GT500 motor.

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I agree! That's why I said:


And for better apples to apples, I think it should be a supercharged 5.0 vs supercharged 5.4, not stock to stock, unless both cars had cost the same stock (new)!

The 2 cars are completely different prices, so to get them close "apples to apples" we need to slap a SC on the 5.0.






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Stock for stock coyote will win
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I am comparing stock for stock, same year. A six year old (7 model year vs a two (3MY) is a big difference. From what I quoted, I was basing off of the 5.4 vs a 5.0. No 5.0s for 2008-2010.

I don't know about any of this stuff, and am trying to learn- not start an argument. Reading over at the FordGT500 forum, bone stock people were claiming 11 seconds for 11s and 12s. Again, not a 5.0 or 5.4 owner, so I have to go off of what I find.

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I am comparing stock for stock, same year. A six year old (7 model year vs a two (3MY) is a big difference. From what I quoted, I was basing off of the 5.4 vs a 5.0. No 5.0s for 2008-2010.

I don't know about any of this stuff, and am trying to learn- not start an argument. Reading over at the FordGT500 forum, bone stock people were claiming 11 seconds for 11s and 12s. Again, not a 5.0 or 5.4 owner, so I have to go off of what I find.

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Stock for stock the coyote will win I already said this

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I am comparing stock for stock, same year. A six year old (7 model year vs a two (3MY) is a big difference. From what I quoted, I was basing off of the 5.4 vs a 5.0. No 5.0s for 2008-2010.

I don't know about any of this stuff, and am trying to learn- not start an argument. Reading over at the FordGT500 forum, bone stock people were claiming 11 seconds for 11s and 12s. Again, not a 5.0 or 5.4 owner, so I have to go off of what I find.

Luke 11:9-10 “So I say to you ...*search and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

You're off topic. The 5.4 in a 11-12 are revised and overall weight reduction of almost 150-200 pounds plus a 10hp bump. So by insisting to edit the OPs thread and changing from an 08 to an 11-12 GT500 means you're off topic and hijacking the thread lol.

And wherever you're reading that 11-12s do 11.x second runs be aware that people who do these "bone stock" runs likely have DRs or slicks on and are not bone stock. With proper tires the 550hp or even 540hp (08) certainly has the power and torque to break the 11s. But not bone stock.


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