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Old 10-21-2014, 02:38 AM   #1
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688RWHP!! E85 is the "magic gas!"

So I took my 2013 Roush Stage 3 to Shaun at AED for a final dyno tune and an E85 swap. All I can say is WOW!

First of all, Shaun provided great customer service and dialed the car in on 91 octane. The car put down 627rwhp but had to be dialed back to 604rwhp due to our terrible quality gasoline in the state of California. After the third pull safely put down 627rwhp, the car started having issues with the fuel and started pulling timing at around 6500 rpm. I purchased that 91 octane "v-power" from a local Shell Station which I thought would be the best fuel in my area but it turned out to be crap. Shaun pulled some timing out of the tune for safety and inconsistencies in fuel and that is why the car ended up at 604rwhp. To me that still exceeded my expectations and I was very happy with the result.

Now for the best part, E85!!!! As Shaun calls it "magic gas!" E85 is an incredible fuel for forced induction applications. On E85 Shaun was able to add 9.5 degrees of timing and put down 688rwhp and 605 lb/ft of torque. The car absolutely loves that stuff. It runs smoother and pulls like a freight train now, at the same time it's safer for the engine and runs cooler. The closest E85 is 22 miles from my house but the benefits are well worth it. The car is not a daily driver so it's no big deal. I will probably never switch back to gas.

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Old 10-21-2014, 05:20 AM   #2
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What fuel system?

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Old 10-21-2014, 05:24 AM   #3
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No fuel system... 2013's are E85 compatible so my mods are ID1000 injectors and a Kenne Bell 40amp 20 volt competition series boost-a-pump
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Old 10-21-2014, 05:30 AM   #4
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I know they are compatible.
Just interesting that you made 688 with the stock fuel system on e85.
You are one of a verry few


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What CF did Shaun use?

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Old 10-21-2014, 05:34 AM   #6
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I really don't think I am one of very few. Shaun said my car made pretty much exactly what he expected with his experience, and I had plenty of fuel at 7600 rpm on E85 with that setup.

I could be wrong as I am new to E85, but from my research there are plenty of others making the same.
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Well I know from personal experience, without a return style fuel sytem all the fuel gets sucked out of the rails on the hit, on e85 once you start getting mid 600's and up.
Thats why I'm curious on what CF his run was done it

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Correction factor.
SAE or STD

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Shaun told me 711RWHP STD
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Yes SAE #'s are about 4% lower than STD

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Which shop is this guy located at? I'm also from California and looking for a mustang specialist to work on my car.

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Does E85 only give gains to forced induction cars or would my N/A car benefit from it as well. I live in Pennsylvania and every Sheetz gas station around me has E85. I know you get worse gas mileage on E85 but it's also cheaper than premium gas so I'm sure it'd offset the bad gas mileage.

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Actually, edmunds.com did a test and concluded that even though E85 is less to fill up, due to the 20-25% decrease in mileage, you're still going to spend ~22% more on E85 than you would regular if you use it constantly. (I'm sure the savings would be a little less since we use premium)
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Does E85 only give gains to forced induction cars or would my N/A car benefit from it as well. I live in Pennsylvania and every Sheetz gas station around me has E85. I know you get worse gas mileage on E85 but it's also cheaper than premium gas so I'm sure it'd offset the bad gas mileage.

how bad does it affect the gas milage?
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Supposedly its supposed to be ~20-25% less than the CITY/HIWY MPG on your widow sticker. That's for flexfuel vehicles though so I'm not sure about non-flexfuel vehicles. Maybe the OP can weigh in on this...
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Do u know if the 2012s equip for e85?

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Do u know if the 2012s equip for e85?

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Yes it's the exact same thing as a 14.

And NA gains all depends on how much timing you add.
I gained 26 hp and 21tq on motor alone.
And over 700 on nitrous

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* And made over 700 with nitrous and e85.

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Nice the only problem is I travel for work and I end up in them small towns errrrrrrrrr

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Which shop is this guy located at? I'm also from California and looking for a mustang specialist to work on my car.

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No fuel system... 2013's are E85 compatible...
Both of mine have a sticker on the fuel door that says absolutely no E85, is that a Ford CYA or are they not all compatible.
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Both of mine have a sticker on the fuel door that says absolutely no E85, is that a Ford CYA or are they not all compatible.

It's pretty much that E85 is a different type of fuel, since it runs about 30% more than regular fuel, the fuel system needs to be upgraded a little bit..... That sticker is more for the average joe filling his tank thinking he can save money.


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It's pretty much that E85 is a different type of fuel, since it runs about 30% more than regular fuel, the fuel system needs to be upgraded a little bit..... That sticker is more for the average joe filling his tank thinking he can save money.
I thought E85 is about 30% cheaper than regular. It just gets less mileage. I know it's corrosive to non-stainless and certain rubber components.
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It's cheaper but honestly ends up costing more in the long run, you have to change your oil alot more often also.

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