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Old 11-08-2014, 08:09 PM   #1
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Lund is making some huge progress with the Ecoboost. Check out the dyno chart. This is a tune ONLY. Once the drop at the top end is addressed im sure this will put a lot of hurt on GTs
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Bigger turbo is needed if it wants to make more hp than that. Or some serious head port work.
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I'd like to see fuel economy comparison as well because, lets be honest, if I'm buying an ecoboost its more about having a realistic DD. I'll chase the big hp numbers on my GT and makes sure my ecoboost saves me some gas money during the week.


Still that said, it is pretty impressive what the stock internals can pull out on the ecoboost although I can't say I'm surprised.
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I really want an Ecoboost. I sat in and started one today and looked it over. Didn't drive it cause I didn't have time before work. But I was very impressed with the quality Ford put into it. Maybe I will give myself a college graduation gift lol


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Just wish that power was more level.

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Just wish that power was more level.

Luke 11:9-10 “So I say to you ...*search and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Yea it has good starting torque but that seems to fall off fairly quick. Horsepower is good up until the small dropping point.


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Now, at the lowest point of the new tune, ~260 wHP, it is still right around with my six power wise. The six may have a little more at the top end, but all the way through the range until there it is higher. My issue is this graph seems backwards. I can't stop mybwheels from spinning now, how am I going to with all that power so low down?

I'd want the power to move in, not just to blast heavy and piddle out. Plus, not quite understanding how Ford ends it around 300 but Lund ends it at 260. I get adjustments are made, but I am surprised they can't beat Ford the whole way.

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I'm thinkin Fords numbers are at the crank and on the chart it says RWHP. So a 35HP drop for drivetrain on a dyno is realistic.


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Nature of a small turbo, big low end and mid range torque then it falls on its face. That graph is not going to change drastically until you upgrade to a larger turbo that flows more.

The Ford Focus ST is the exact same way, as are the Ecoboost motors. Tiny OEM turbos.

Still though, impressive for just a tune.
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Nature of a small turbo, big low end and mid range torque then it falls on its face. That graph is not going to change drastically until you upgrade to a larger turbo that flows more.

The Ford Focus ST is the exact same way, as are the Ecoboost motors. Tiny OEM turbos.

Still though, impressive for just a tune.
I would think this tuner could at least make the factory HP towards the top end.

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Are we looking at the same graphs or what? This looks phenomenal, and when you're not flooring it, the gas mileage should still be very good for such a capable engine. I'm floored (pun intended!) with what they're getting out it on just a tune.

If we could get +75hp and +135lb torque on our 5.0's, we'd be at 500hp (crank)!

I see an across the board 75hp increase in horsepower, pretty much for the WHOLE POWERBAND!!! Not just 75hp increase at peak 6000+- rpm. Its got that extra 75 horsepower the whole way!!!!

Then on to torque, it has a peak increase of 135lbs, but even at its worst its about 75lbs higher than stock at the high end, which makes complete sense, as at the highest RPMs the small turbo starts to become a little bit of a bottleneck. Not really a bottleneck per se, but the stock tune was already using most of what was available from this turbo at the upper end, so not a lot left on the table.
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Whoops! I thought that was Lund vs Stock, NOT Lund vs Lund. My mistake.

Not quite sure why they didn't show the factory chart in comparison...

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Bigger turbo is needed if it wants to make more hp than that. Or some serious head port work.
Are you serious ... This turbo has plenty left in it, i'd bet money we see high 300's on the stock turbo based on my experience tuning turbo 4s.
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Livernois is already at 11sec at over 115 on tune and tires, full weight so, well over 300 on stock turbo.
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it could make 800HP and they could give them away and I still would not be interested in 4cyl and never will be.
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That's the free market and you're free to choose what you like. It's still an impressive achievement and shows the capacity of the engine with modern engine management.

I won't be selling my GT for one any time soon, either.
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I saw on Instagram where some other tuning company tuned a 5.0 and got like 420rwhp (or so) with just a CAI change. If that's true, maybe they are detuned quite a bit from Ford and once tuned, they'll really show the true power of the changes they made on the coyote motor.
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It was Revolutuion Automotive. And it was on a dyno. 421rwhp/390rwtq with a 93 tune/JLT cold air, and in 5th gear (don't know why they said what gear). Pretty cool!
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Livernois claims their 11 sec at 115 is through the stock airbox, exhaust, everything. So, it appears aftermarket CAI ain't really benefiting this engine either, if you believe them.
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Livernois claims their 11 sec at 115 is through the stock airbox, exhaust, everything. So, it appears aftermarket CAI ain't really benefiting this engine either, if you believe them.

If I had any of the newer Mustangs, I'd just put a drop in K&N filter. I think the stock air boxes are much better than people think.

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If I had any of the newer Mustangs, I'd just put a drop in K&N filter. I think the stock air boxes are much better than people think.

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Well you will loose power with a drop in K&N.

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Please tell me we are not going to jack this thread with this discussion again, I'm begging all of you.
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Please tell me we are not going to jack this thread with this discussion again, I'm begging all of you.

You talking to me? :headband: If so, go pound salt.

I was merely stating that it seems ALL the new power plants might be de-tuned more than you typically see.




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