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Old 11-26-2014, 05:44 PM   #1
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Hello, I have had my 14 GT for a few months now. If I try to shift into 2nd after a cold start, it almost feels like it grinds. Yet, as soon as I have driven it for 10 minutes, everything is fine. I think I am going to take it in into my dealer. I find it strange that only 2nd gear does this when cold, but everything works fine once it has warmed up. Any ideas?
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Depending on how cold it is where you live, it may not be all that unusual. syncros in the transmission have to match the gears and when the oil is cold it may not sync right up. My car shifts hard in the winter just have to be patient.

If the syncro was warn it would not improve with the car warming up. you can try going to a thinner trans oil for the winter like Redline MTL. Red line makes 3 different wt transmission oils for syncro transmissions MTL (70 wt) MT 85 (85) an MT 90 (90) wt oil. I run MT 85 in my race car but would run MTL in my street car if i drove it in the winter.
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My 14 does same thing. Thought it was probably normal. Glad to hear I was likely correct. Just annoying but not a big deal to me.


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My 14 automatic clunks when coming to a stop when shifting from 2nd to first.


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Mine gets worse the colder it gets. What works in the morning for me is a double clutch into 2nd. I have a new mgw race spec shifter on the way on monday. I will post up if that cures it. Really not much different than the 4 speed in my 67 El Camino when it's cold. A manual transmission is like a relationship you learn to work with it instead of forcing it or you're gonna have problems.

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Well its good to know I'm not the only one. It just concerns me a bit. It's not extremely cold, as it's around 50 degrees right now. It's just odd that it's only 2nd gear that does this when cold.

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Old 11-26-2014, 07:26 PM   #7
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I have read about success with a fluid change, but I am a little reluctant to do so while under warranty. I was curious if the rubber bracket Ford uses could contribute to the problem and if maybe a new bracket or shifter would help. Definately post up how you like your mgw shifter! Thanks for the responses everyone!

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Skip second gear while the oil is cold, go from first to third gear until the tranny warms. Or, start in second gear. Manuals like to have a little warmth in the oil...
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Been a big issue for the mt82. Take it to the dealer. There is a friction modifier x18 or something like that it should be in our transmission. There is a big thread on the shifting do a search. Mine does it at 50 too. Really you just need to give the shift a bit more time that's where the double clutching eliminates the grind til it warms a bit.

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All the high performance cars I have owned over the years have had a quirk in the manual gearbox. This one just seems to be a couple. The mgw should help out a ton.

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I don't think Ford calls for the XL18 anymore. A lot of the threads have discussed cold shifting but just didn't talk about 2nd gear specifically. I suppose just double clutching or skipping second is the way to go until the transmission is warm.

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I don't think Ford calls for the XL18 anymore. A lot of the threads have discussed cold shifting but just didn't talk about 2nd gear specifically. I suppose just double clutching or skipping second is the way to go until the transmission is warm.

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Old 11-26-2014, 07:54 PM   #13
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Still maybe take it to the dealer so your problem is documented in case of issues down the road

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Yeah I think that's a good idea just as a precaution.

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My transmission is knochy 2nd to 3rd gear when cold. I also skip 3rd until my car is at normal running temperature. Then it shifts fine. My only upgrade is the energy shifter bushing.


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Old 11-27-2014, 08:56 AM   #16
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I have the same issue. It's normal. I'm hoping the race spec fixes it. If not, I'll try redline MTL and ss clutch cable.


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Good info. I appreciate the responses. Seems like it may just be a quirk that we have to deal with. Its not a big deal, just wanted to make sure there is not something wrong.
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mine does it too, it's done it since I bought it in 2011, it's gotten progressively worse and it now pops outta second occasionally. I take mine in to be looked at this Wednesday. I recommend you do the same

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Yeah if it's popping out, it's most something different. I just get a nice slightly crunchy this sound that goes away after about 3 miles.


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Yeah if it's popping out, it's most something different. I just get a nice slightly crunchy this sound that goes away after about 3 miles.


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well, in my case it only occasionally pops out of second the first or second time shifting into second gear after a cold start, after the first few miles, all is good. I have a feeling they'll tell me they're "not able to duplicate the issue" or w/e they say

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Old 11-27-2014, 12:17 PM   #22
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Mines making some weird sounds. But I'm auto. Whenever it shifts to second and first it clunks real loud like there's slack somewhere or something popping kind of. Could my u joint be going out? Or something else u think. Also noticed my idle fluctuates with the whine in hearing from my transmission. I wonder if I have a vacuum leak or something or is that even related?


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Mines making some weird sounds. But I'm auto. Whenever it shifts to second and first it clunks real loud like there's slack somewhere or something popping kind of. Could my u joint be going out? Or something else u think. Also noticed my idle fluctuates with the whine in hearing from my transmission. I wonder if I have a vacuum leak or something or is that even related?


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I had a auto 13 and the Trans was rock solid. Never had any noise. I would get it looked at. Is it only when it's cold? My old auto only saw warm weather so that might be why I didn't have noise.


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All the time. U do have all different lcas and uca and lowering springs.


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Old 11-27-2014, 12:30 PM   #26
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You might just be hearing drive train lash more with your suspension stuff. Especially if you have a uca.


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---------- Post added at 12:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:30 PM ----------

A one piece drive shaft will kill most of that.


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It sounds like lash. Clunks when i shift gears too like from park to drive to reverse


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When I got a one piece ds, it all went away.


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I may do that. Is it just a replacement. Or would I need to adjust my uca again.


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If u get a drive shaft shop one you won't if your not slammed. With the mevo discount at AM and their Black Friday sale, it comes out to $700. There roush stage 1 s/c comes out to 5200 after the mevo discount as well. That's a pretty good deal.


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You know ford would really save themselves a lot of headaches if they would just inform the public more on proper operating procedures...we get this question soooooo often...the trans fluid is thick in the mt-82 because it needs to protect the smaller more fragile internals...but the trade off is that when cold it's like maple syrup in your case. It will cause the gears to nibble and if pushed too hard even grind...you guys need to understand that even though cars have come a long way they still need the same care as always...shift slowly or skip second just for a few miles and all is good...once the fluid warms up it will shift fine.. There is nothing wrong with your trans...it's just a characteristic ..yes a flaw but not broken or anything.

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I'm going with the vortech kit. Little better than the roush I think plus it won't heat soak. Imma check into the ds tho


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You know ford would really save themselves a lot of headaches if they would just inform the public more on proper operating procedures...we get this question soooooo often...the trans fluid is thick in the mt-82 because it needs to protect the smaller more fragile internals...but the trade off is that when cold it's like maple syrup in your case. It will cause the gears to nibble and if pushed too hard even grind...you guys need to understand that even though cars have come a long way they still need the same care as always...shift slowly or skip second just for a few miles and all is good...once the fluid warms up it will shift fine.. There is nothing wrong with your trans...it's just a characteristic ..yes a flaw but not broken or anything.

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Glad to hear this!! I was worried my dad screwed my tranny up when I let him drive it without me. I've started pulling out in first and then just coasting down the hill in the morning. The shift to second is super rough. Thanks guys


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Two things conspire here typically: The cold metal and oil, which you can deal with by slowing down the shifting a little bit until things get happy. In the cold, I pull the shifter til I feel the synchro engage and hold it there just a fraction of a second and it slides right into gear.

Second is the remote shifter on the MT82. this makes the problem a lot worse on cold days but, is a problem all the time. I recommend a shifter bracket at the very least, like this one from Steeda:

Steeda Mustang Shifter Base Bushing 555-7090 (11-14 GT, V6) - Free Shipping

A lobotimised monkey could install this and the improvement is significant.

I have changed the shft Thumb for a nice billet knob, added the shifter bracket and the Whiteline bushing support and I think this is about as good as the stock shifter can get. I do race the car; it's got over 100 passes on it, no shifts missed unless I did it myself.

....and the trans fluid since middle '12 isn't thick in the MT82. They've been using QDC and that stuff isn't heavyweight at all. the original spec of QS for the 11-12 cars was pretty gummy on cold days. QDC has a kinematic viscosity at 100* of about 6.1 (about the same as Dexron 5 auto trans fluid) and QS is 10+.
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