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Old 12-01-2014, 01:33 PM   #1
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Is there really a big difference in long tube header brands???

I've been wanting to get long tubes for my 12 gt and I was waiting to get the jba long tubes. But now american muscle has the pypes polished long tube headers for like almost half price of the jba I get the whole thing you get what you pay for stuff but does it really make a difference in sound/performance? My car is a daily driver and I don't really go to the track just here and there race on the highway/town with friends and just messing and round nothing serious...so should I go ahead and buy the pypes? What yall think

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Go with the JBA over the pypes.
Pypes have ****ty fitment issues. You get what you pay for.
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Are those better just because they fit better?

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They are also 1 7/8 primaries the full length to the collector.

Vs the pypes that start out at 1 3/4 and step up to 1 7/8

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Ahhhhh I've heard the 1 7/8 are only if you're gonna supercharge it or turbo and the 1 3\4 is for
N/A applications...is this true?

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I've been wanting to get long tubes for my 12 gt and I was waiting to get the jba long tubes. But now american muscle has the pypes polished long tube headers for like almost half price of the jba I get the whole thing you get what you pay for stuff but does it really make a difference in sound/performance? My car is a daily driver and I don't really go to the track just here and there race on the highway/town with friends and just messing and round nothing serious...so should I go ahead and buy the pypes? What yall think
Hey-Good question and it's looking like Rap beat me to this by a mile and I would personally recommend going with the JBA's as well based on past experience working with their parts as well as their company! Once you're seeing them back online shoot me a PM, I'm more than happy to get you set up with a quote on them!

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Ahhhhh I've heard the 1 7/8 are only if you're gonna supercharge it or turbo and the 1 3\4 is for
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No, the motor loves to breathe Especially NA. 1 7/8 is the way to go. The fastest stock motor NA coyote is running 1 7/8 jba's

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Hey-Good question and it's looking like Rap beat me to this by a mile and I would personally recommend going with the JBA's as well based on past experience working with their parts as well as their company! Once you're seeing them back online shoot me a PM, I'm more than happy to get you set up with a quote on them!

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Alright sounds good. JBA it is...

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No, the motor loves to breathe Especially NA. 1 7/8 is the way to go. The fastest stock motor NA coyote is running 1 7/8 jba's

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That's awesome I didn't know that thank you. JBA 1 7/8 it is lol

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Glad I don't listen to the guys that say 1 7/8 primaries are to large. My consistent low 11 second time slips tell me my combination is working.
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I think people put too much stock into the 1 7/8 being to big. I think most people would not even notice if it was in fact too big

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I have Pypes and they hit the steering shaft, easily remedied with two washers under the motor mount, but honestly that shouldnt be something you should have to do. Id go with the JBA's over the Pypes b/w those, but honestly, Id put the money out for American Racing (ARH) and be done with it
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I have Pypes and they hit the steering shaft, easily remedied with two washers under the motor mount, but honestly that shouldnt be something you should have to do. Id go with the JBA's over the Pypes b/w those, but honestly, Id put the money out for American Racing (ARH) and be done with it
I hear ya brother and thanks for the heads up. I think its safe to say pypes is a no go.

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I just did JBAS and they turned out nice .
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I just did JBAS and they turned out nice .
Do you happen to have a link to a video of it to see what it sounds like? What exhaust do you have?

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I hear ya brother and thanks for the heads up. I think its safe to say pypes is a no go.

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Also what do you guys think about the bbk ceramic coated long tube headers?

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Do you happen to have a link to a video of it to see what it sounds like? What exhaust do you have?

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I do not , I have off road x , 3 in pipe all the way back , and went with MBRP race series Cat back from America racing. should arrive today , I will try making a video clip once Im done.
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I do not , I have off road x , 3 in pipe all the way back , and went with MBRP race series Cat back from America racing. should arrive today , I will try making a video clip once Im done.
Alright awesome. I've never heard mbrp on a 5.0

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Alright awesome. I've never heard mbrp on a 5.0

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The only videos I can find are of the coyotes with mbrp. Only one 3v on youtube with them that I can find

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Im a little worried I wont like them , because they were the cheapest exhaust for my car with 3 inch pipe. You know they say, you get what you paid for,
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Im a little worried I wont like them , because they were the cheapest exhaust for my car with 3 inch pipe. You know they say, you get what you paid for,
Yea that's true. But it'll sound different from the rest

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Proper header selection really depends on the intended use.

Rule of thumb:
Blown = bigger primaries
N/A = smaller primaries
Bigger cubic inch and/or high RPM use = big primaries.
Smaller cubic inch and/or lower RPM use = Smaller primaries.

It all comes down to how much air you are going to flow and at what RPM.

If the primaries are too small for the intended use you will limit top end HP especially at higher RPMs.

If the primaries are too big for the intended use you will lose velocity and throttle response will suffer, particularly at lower rpms.

Think of a cam that pulls from 6500 to 8500 but the car shifts at 6250.
Yeah, its a great cam, but not for this car...same with header selection.

Pick the ones that work with what YOU are doing, not someone else; unless you have the same setup and are using the car the same way.
Bigger isn't always better. Sometimes it is....but not always.
You need to size them properly for what YOU are going to be doing.
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Proper header selection really depends on the intended use.

Rule of thumb:
Blown = bigger primaries
N/A = smaller primaries
Bigger cubic inch and/or high RPM use = big primaries.
Smaller cubic inch and/or lower RPM use = Smaller primaries.

It all comes down to how much air you are going to flow and at what RPM.

If the primaries are too small for the intended use you will limit top end HP especially at higher RPMs.

If the primaries are too big for the intended use you will lose velocity and throttle response will suffer, particularly at lower rpms.

Think of a cam that pulls from 6500 to 8500 but the car shifts at 6250.
Yeah, its a great cam, but not for this car...same with header selection.

Pick the ones that work with what YOU are doing, not someone else; unless you have the same setup and are using the car the same way.
Bigger isn't always better. Sometimes it is....but not always.
You need to size them properly for what YOU are going to be doing.
Thanks for the insight. Yea I usually stay in the low rpms so that's where I need the power. I mean I do go on the high rpms when I'm messun around with friends n stuff but since my car is a daily driver I'm probably gonna go with the smaller primaries

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