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Old 12-15-2014, 12:03 PM   #1
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So, I finally got my new wheels and tires, panhard bar and lowering springs. I am wondering how to go about this since this is my first time lowering a vehicle. Should I get the springs and panhard bar on before the new wheels? I went for SR performance lowering springs so it's just a 1.5' drop and i went from the factory 19' brembo wheels to 20x8.5 in the front and 20x10 in the back. I know you should get an alignment while changing tire sizes AND after changing suspension geometry. The car is going to a ford specialist shop for the work and im not trying to spend hundreds of extra dollars because my car has to go in and out multiple times lol. Any feedback is appreciated


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Pu the new wheels on yourself easily. And you'll be able to use any jack right now, once lowered, some jacks might not fit under the car!! Then you can drive it there with new wheels on and have them install springs & panhard bar, then make sure everything is all lined up.
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So even though I'm switching wheel sizes I don't need an alignment? I thought it would be best to maybe wait for the springs to settle, get the wheels on and then get an alignment just to make sure everything is in spec


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You can put the wheels and springs on at the same time.... When you do the springs though take off the panhard bar, put it to the ground. Let it sit for a day or so if you can. Then jack the back end back up and install the panhard bar. Or even do it with the car on the ground, which is usually preferred since you want load on the suspension when putting the panhard bar on.
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Wheels should not affect alignment. I assume you tried keeping your overall diameter approx. the same size when ordering the tires to go on those 20" wheels?

My stock tires were 245/45R19 = 27.7 diameter (front & rear)

lets say you went:
255/40R20 = 28.0 diameter (front)
285/35R20 = 27.9 diameter (rear)

Only about 0.7% & 1.1% increase.... ie: the tires are basically the same size (overall diameter),
as long as they're properly balanced there should be no issues with installing new tires yourself.

Note: remove the rotor retaining clip. The oem wheels have a recess in the back that prevents the clip from getting in the way. Most aftermarket wheels will not sit flush if you don't remove the clip!!
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I went from 255/40/19 to 255/35/20 and 275/35/20 and when i put the wheels up to the car there is around an inch difference in diameter which leads me to believe I'll need an alignment and possibly a speedometer recalibration


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I went from 255/40/19 to 255/35/20 and 275/35/20 and when i put the wheels up to the car there is around an inch difference in diameter which leads me to believe I'll need an alignment and possibly a speedometer recalibration
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Actually, your front tires are exactly the same size:
255/40R19 & 255/35R20 = 27" diameter

Now the rears are 0.6" (or 2.2%) larger

I'm not 100% sure which tire(s) the car calculates speed off of.

I would think the front tires, since if they used the rears your speedo would jump up everytime you spun the tires. So if that's the case your speedometer is still exactly the same as with old wheels. And even if it was off the rears, you'd only be off 1.8mph (81.8 mph) at 80 mph.
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Well thanks for clearing that up


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The vehicle needs the alignment after the springs get installed. The new tires and rims will not affect your speedo at all. I went with the exact same size change and a more aggressive drop and everything sits, rides and operates very well. You can let your springs settle for 2 weeks or so and then do the alignment if you wanna go that route but if you do it at the same time as the spring install you will be fine. If you are not using camber plates or bolts you wont be able to correct the alignment much.
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I did this myself and saved a ton of money. Sure I had to get the alignment checked but I put the money saved into other mods and tools instead.
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I agree 100%. This is a fairly easy install especially when you have step by step info on the net. I did it in my garage on jacks and it took me and my buddy about 3 hours. We then did his car the next weekend and we did it in just over 2 hours and like kingstrider said the dollars saved then can go into the next part(s).
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The vehicle needs the alignment after the springs get installed. The new tires and rims will not affect your speedo at all. I went with the exact same size change and a more aggressive drop and everything sits, rides and operates very well. You can let your springs settle for 2 weeks or so and then do the alignment if you wanna go that route but if you do it at the same time as the spring install you will be fine. If you are not using camber plates or bolts you wont be able to correct the alignment much.

Should I buy camber bolts? Not sure if they are needed or not but better safe than sorry in that regard because my first priority is to make sure my alignment will be able to be in spec. As far as doing it myself i have a shop that a friend recommended to me and are going to hook me up for a nice price


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Rear tire size effect speedo. 275-35-20 should be close to normal though. I have an inch taller (29) in the rear, and it was off by 3mph.


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Speedometer is affected by the wheels that drive the car, which is the rear ones on a Mustang. An overall taller tire will make the speedometer read lower than you are actually going. For the .6" change like was calculated earlier that won't make a huge difference. A few mph, but still a good idea to get it fixed. You can do that in a tuner if you have one by selecting the revs per mile of the tire.


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Actually, your front tires are exactly the same size:

255/40R19 & 255/35R20 = 27" diameter


Now the rears are 0.6" (or 2.2%) larger



I'm not 100% sure which tire(s) the car calculates speed off of.



I would think the front tires, since if they used the rears your speedo would jump up everytime you spun the tires.

It actually does. Do a burnout and hold it. You will notice that your speedometer will go up in mph.

Also put the car on jack stands and put it into gear and give it a little gas, it'll go up.

Also, think about a car on the dyno.........



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You can buy camber bolts if you want. There is mixed reviews about them. I have used them without problems. Your alignment will not go back into spec after you lower it without them or camber plates.
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You can buy camber bolts if you want. There is mixed reviews about them. I have used them without problems. Your alignment will not go back into spec after you lower it without them or camber plates.

the tech suggested it too so im ordering them.


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You should give me your old wheels...
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You can buy camber bolts if you want. There is mixed reviews about them. I have used them without problems. Your alignment will not go back into spec after you lower it without them or camber plates.
Mine did. Lowered with Steeda Sports and was perfectly within specs still without bolts or plates. Some don't though I understand. Got 22k on these tires lowered and no wear issues btw.
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Mine did. Lowered with Steeda Sports and was perfectly within specs still without bolts or plates. Some don't though I understand. Got 22k on these tires lowered and no wear issues btw.

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Same here. Lowered on SR's and JUST within spec. It's perfect because a little negative camber up front increases handling. No uneven camber wear here either.


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I can only speak of the H&R Super Sports, its all i have used and installed. It will leave your front camber at -1.5ish and some will like that. The bigger the drop the more neg camber you will end up with. I have CC plates and went back to stock settings to help with tire wear. Not caring about tire wear anymore, I am now going to dial in -1.5 camber to help handle even better than what it does now.
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I just got the springs on today, the ride is great honestly for just the springs and nothing more than that and the panhard bar. The tech told me to buy the camber bolts and when I get my new wheels FINALLY put on and get an alignment he'll throw them on real quick.


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That color looks great with matte black stripes
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When you put the wheels on go lower it and THEN get a alignment.


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When you put the wheels on go lower it and THEN get a alignment.


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As far as camber bolts go most techs can loosen the stock strut bolts and get some movement to get the car to spec. You will likely not see wear problems even at -1.5 camber.

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As far as camber bolts go most techs can loosen the stock strut bolts and get some movement to get the car to spec. You will likely not see wear problems even at -1.5 camber.

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I tried to just adjust the stock bolts last night and could only get -1.2. Camber plates got me to -1.5 and it feels real good. You should be in good shape with the bolts.
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Dude your car looks good man. I love those vossen rims. The color of the rims fit perfect with the chrome badges and color of your car. Well done!


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Nice saw the rovos shoutout imma be team rovos as welll in a few weeks. Alredy have 2 of the wheels 😈 needa get the other 2 hehe


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