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Old 12-27-2014, 09:56 PM   #1
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10 Camaro SS vs 13 GT

I enjoy reading the "vs" post so I decided to do one. Since it's several months before my local strip opens I just wanted to see how everyone thinks they compare on paper.

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Base model, clothes seats and well as plain as you can get.

Engine mods: cam (not sure the size, just know he regrets not going bigger now) K&N CAI system, and tune.

Exhaust: full length headers, x pipe, and manga flow mufflers

Suspension: stock

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Fully loaded (shaker 1000 system, dual front power heated seats, navigation, glass roof, etc.)

Engine mods: Boss 302 intake, airaid CAI

Exhaust: roush axle back

Suspension: eibach pro system plus

Thoughts on the current setups? Advantage him, lighter car and more power? Neither of us have good tires for the strip right now. I'm hoping to get some type of street comps and do UCAS & LCAS, and panhard bar. He saids he's not changing anything else until he sees what his car will run. I've just recently got my car and don't know what it will run. His car where we live he ran this past summer. At the time his was stock and best run of 13.2X. Hope I'm not forgetting anything that will help or be the determining factor.


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IF he hooks up, he owns you.


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Your being an auto is more than likely a tremendous advantage though, assuming he isn't a talented driver.


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Are you tuned? If so, you might be surprised what a good tune can do for an A6.

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10 Camaro SS vs 13 GT

The Mustang will get drug by the Camaro.

Boss manifold on an auto with stock converter will actually be a bit slower than stock manifold.

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Old 12-28-2014, 01:21 AM   #6
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My friends cam/full exhaust/CAI and tune 2010 puts down 500 whp and traps around 124 mph and ET's high 11's, on stock tires, with a bad driver (M6).

On the same dyno, a fully bolt on Boss was putting down low 430's.

Any LS engine that has an aftermarket cam, will likely pull on the majority of NA Ford engines.

If you're running at the strip, the Mustang has a chance but the Camaro will be the faster car by a good bit on the back half.

From a roll, that Camaro shouldn't have any issues putting bus lengths on that 5.0.
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A 150 shot on the stang would even out the odds for cheap...
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I hate to say this but the Chevy I feel has the advantage here and will more than likely win unless the driver can't shift all. Off the line I feel the Mustang has the advantage you need better tires and power adder to win.
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You do not need a power adder to beat a cammed 5th gen.
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But you will need more than a cai, and boss
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Get you some nice radials or slicks, if he spins he will have a hard time catching you


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Old 12-28-2014, 02:21 PM   #11
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Does not matter.
The 2nd fastest bottom end 5th gen camaro is in Houston. Makes over 900 to the ground.

He runs 10.5's-10-8's.
Horrible they are bull****

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I'd recommend looking into an aftermarket converter.
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Don't matter. A 4.6 2v NPI will crush both of the cars.


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Stock he never got under 2 second 60'. He's added more hp but still has done nothing for traction. So is his 60' going to improve or worsen?


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Probably worsen if he can't hook up com not positive though


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[QUOTE=Ish416;2147916]My friends cam/full exhaust/CAI and tune 2010 puts down 500 whp and traps around 124 mph and ET's high 11's, on stock tires, with a bad driver (M6).
Any LS engine that has an aftermarket cam, will likely pull on the majority of NA Ford engines.QUOTE]

Wait Wait so a 427hp stock camero (+ or - a few) with mods mentioned above gives the Chevy more then 100hp? To put down 500whp that would make him like 550-560 @ crank right? Doesnt the SLP supercharged camero put down the same numbers as your buddies "camed" camero?
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Nobody can predict the outcome without knowing the size of of the cam. Camed is a generic term and without knowing the size it's impossible to say how much power. But likely if he put a fairly decent sized cam he will win assuming he can drive. And when you get into 400+ hp cars the driver mod can make night and day difference


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My friends cam/full exhaust/CAI and tune 2010 puts down 500 whp and traps around 124 mph and ET's high 11's, on stock tires, with a bad driver (M6).
Any LS engine that has an aftermarket cam, will likely pull on the majority of NA Ford engines.QUOTE]

Wait Wait so a 427hp stock camero (+ or - a few) with mods mentioned above gives the Chevy more then 100hp? To put down 500whp that would make him like 550-560 @ crank right? Doesnt the SLP supercharged camero put down the same numbers as your buddies "camed" camero?
Look at it this way. An LS1 makes roughly 300whp stock. Add just a pretty aggressive cam and you can see 370 to the wheels easily. A cam only LS2 can see 400 to the wheels.

An LS7 makes 505 crank horsepower stock. New heads, cam, and intake manifold and people have seen 600whp.

N/A modular and N/A LS motor, mod for mod, dollar for dollar, the LS makes so much more power. This is why the Modulars need 2 things, rpms and boost. A lot of both. A bit factor is the lack of displacement. If you were to get a pushrod displacement out of a modular you will most likely see more power than the pushrod. But that would be one overly massive motor to do that.
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So what your saying is a cam and tune can't give a ls7 500whp.

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So what your saying is a cam and tune can't give a ls7 500whp.

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Actually a cam only (implies a tune) LS7 can put down over 500whp. That's actually going to be through a very mild cam, an aggressive cam can do much more.


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I'm putting my Mustang up for sale tomorrow and buying a camero then. Stock they pull 360/375whp right? Cam tune exhaust adds 125+whp. I'm going to give my buddie a call and see what cams his SS has cause he puts down just shy of 500 and said he has cams, ported heads, intake, tune, long tubes, off road pipe, throttle body.

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This is why modulars need boost.


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I've been away from Chevy's for many years but doesn't the LS3 have about 426 "advertised" HP, which is probably a little shy, but I would say stock vs. stock, the Mustang and Camaro should be a pretty even match.
Although I haven't taken my Mustang to the strip, on the street it has no traction in 1st or 2nd and all I have is CAI and can'd tune, but I've got a 6spd.
The single most important piece for you is a converter, then the other stuff can follow. Take a look at the adders Grabber Blue5.0 has on his car and he runs 11.2's in the quarter with 1.5's in the 60'...................and he has a Boss302 intake and "Converter".
I would guarantee you'd leave the Camaro more than one car length behind......IMHO
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Yeah that converter seems to be the best mod you can do to make the auto a beast all around.

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Wait Wait so a 427hp stock camero (+ or - a few) with mods mentioned above gives the Chevy more then 100hp? To put down 500whp that would make him like 550-560 @ crank right? Doesnt the SLP supercharged camero put down the same numbers as your buddies "camed" camero?
My friends car has either an LG G6X3 or X4. It's whichever you can go without fly-cutting the pistons. LG doesn't release cam specs but I want to say it's around a 235/240 - .650/.610 on a 111 or 112 LSA. It's not a fun car to drive as it has horrible cam surge under 1500 rpm. 6th gear is useless until after 85 mph.

Here is a thread with the same exact mods as his car, just different tuners - **495 RWHP 2010 Camaro Cam/Header/CAI only from LG Motorsports** - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com

His car was tuned by Mike Norris in Indy. He is one of the best LS tuners in the country.

His 5th gen will pull hard on my 430 whp Z28 after 80 without spray. My Z28 generally puts car lengths on full bolt on coyotes. Given, his car is on the verge of being over cammed. His original goal was to build a 418 cui LS3, but life happened and he hasn't gotten around to that yet. He has ran a number of Camaro's with TVS2300's (the joy of living 40 minutes away from Lingenfelter) and generally runs door to door or ahead of them after a few runs. Same with a stock 2014 GT500, it's generally a close race (1 or 2 car lengths) until a few pulls and then the GT500 starts dropping back.

So yeah, it's likely putting down very similar whp numbers with less wtq than the SLP supercharged Camaro as it also uses a TVS2300. It's a fast car, it just can't get it's fat *** out of the hole very well.
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I'm sorry but you guys have some slow *** cars in your area or something is up.

Never had a 430hp fbody pull on me on motor. Never

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Not trying to start any ****. But the fbody has been on a pedistal for along time. And it was the fastest thing around 4 awhile.

Unfortunately alot of coyotes are running around on ****ty tunes from local shops etc. Who have no business tuning a fkn lawnmower

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You guys make me want a Camaro. Good thing they are ugly as ****.

I'm shocked tho, I've read a lot that mustang vs Camaro with bolt on, the stang comes ahead.

I know nothing about cams and etc. However my car with just tune and CAI is running down low 12s maxima with 12lbs of boost.


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