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Old 01-02-2015, 09:37 AM   #1
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Installed Exedy Mach 500 Clutch & Lightweight Flywheel

Finished changing out the OEM clutch, flywheel & TOB on the car. The OEM clutch still had some meat on it and the flywheel looked good but had a little sign of hot spotting on it.
Went with the Exedy Mach 500 stage 3 clutch/pp with an Exedy Lightweight Steel Flywheel. The Clutch feel is great. After getting it completely bled out, the major feel difference is the engagement. We had already removed the helper spring so depression feels the same, but the clutch engages a lot quicker upon letting out the clutch. After it is properly broken in I will let you know how shifts are WOT and if any high RPM lockout still exists. The current drivetrain setup:
MT-82 6sp Transmission
Exedy Mach 500 Clutch/Pressure Plate
Exedy Lightweight Steel Flywheel
Exedy Hydraulic Throwout Bearing
SR Performance Braided SS Clutch Line
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Blowfish Shifter Bracket / loop
Helper Spring Removed
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Im looking at the Mach 500 as well, so the pedal effort is greatly increased then?
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The pedal feel is great, just a bit more firm than the stock, but the engagement is a LOT better. (I would guess if you still kept your helper spring it would probably feel the same as the stock clutch on depression) It is a VERY good DD setup as it is a springed clutch. The steel flywheel won't bite quite as dramatically as an aluminum one would so it is a good choice for traffic as well.
Even though the OEM clutch on this car was still ok, the big reason to switch early is wanting to eliminate the high RPM lockout and being supercharged, it was a matter of time before the OEM clutch would start to have issues beyond lockout. This transmission has never had any nibble or crunchyness, so changing early the idea was to prevent that from ever happening and possibly damaging the syncro's because of the poor OEM clutch.
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Still gets locked out high RPMs with the blowfish and MGW? Thought the blowfish prevents/cleared high RPM lockouts? Explain


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Still gets locked out high RPMs with the blowfish and MGW? Thought the blowfish prevents/cleared high RPM lockouts? Explain
Every once in a while, YES it would still get a dead on high RPM lockout. The lockout is not from missing the slot in the shift, it is from the clutch not opening fully and basically being what amounts to a wall right in the shift slot.
Everything we did made huge improvements from stock and night and day differences in the frequency of lockout occurring. From what I have learned, the REAL culprit seems to be the clutch itself being the major reason for the high RPM lockout and the clutch line, shifter and helper spring are just contributing factors.
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Every once in a while, YES it would still get a dead on high RPM lockout. The lockout is not from missing the slot in the shift, it is from the clutch not opening fully and basically being what amounts to a wall right in the shift slot.
Everything we did made huge improvements from stock and night and day differences in the frequency of lockout occurring. From what I have learned, the REAL culprit seems to be the clutch itself being the major reason for the high RPM lockout and the clutch line, shifter and helper spring are just contributing factors.
So the blowfish helps let's say 75% lockouts but when your going hard and your cars heating up it has a 25% lockout? Or what's the numbers like... Because the blowfish was gonna be my next mod after tires, also how bads the rattles


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Already told you what to get. And it works better than the blowfish.

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Already told you what to get. And it works better than the blowfish.

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I just don't see how $20 fix is going to solve the problem? Why does nobody do it? Nobody talks about if? Is everyone misinformed on this issue?


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I just don't see how $20 fix is going to solve the problem? Why does nobody do it? Nobody talks about if? Is everyone misinformed on this issue?


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It's the same thing as the race spec. It's the main thing that causes the problem. Or don't listen and stay with one of the slowest bolton 5.0's in SA.



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It's the same thing as the race spec. It's the main thing that causes the problem. Or don't listen and stay with one of the slowest bolton 5.0's in SA.



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Lol I don't know too many N/A bolt on GTs that are running 118+ Trap speeds in San Antonio. But your right lol I'm slow 😉


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I don't know percentage, but before anything was done, high rpm lockout and the pedal staying down almost to the floor were common on WOT pulls. Took out the clutch helper spring and added the braided clutch line and MGW shifter. High rpm lockout would happen maybe 3 out of 10 WOT pulls.
Added the Blowfish bracket and it reduced it to maybe 1 out of 10 pulls. Dont really count how many times it happens, but imho, once is too much.
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Deerslayer what do you recommend ?


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Already told you what to get. And it works better than the blowfish.

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What do U recommend ?


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This setup feels great so far but I will let you know once we break the clutch completely in how everything together is.
From a totally a stock setup, I think in order you should change the shifter & clutch line first. Now, the new MGW shifter can save you from needing the BF bracket. If you have the original MGW, the Blowfish bracket is a great addition. That being said, you will not completely eliminate high RPM lockout, but it wont happen much. The clutch is the sure way to get rid of it. So far, the feel of this clutch is exactly what I was looking for a DD car. If it were raced more, the McLeod would be way to go.
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Thanx for info, I contacted MGW & they said the Race Ready Shifter didn't need bracket if, I understood them correctly


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^^correct^^ The MGW race spec eliminates the need of the BF Bracket
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The big thing about the new MGW (IMO) is that it compltely replaced the limp dick crap factory linkage. No other shifter does this, not even the 1st gen MGW. Same deal with the GT500 shifters, the 1st gen MGW helped but wasn't a fix all. The revision was.
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Good to report, NO HIGH RPM LOCKOUTS on WOT pulls shifting above 7k. This clutch is strong. Still takes a bit of getting used too in stop n go traffic as it does not slip at all, so it engages quicker upon letting off the clutch. Feels way better now WOT shifts tho. Unfortunately found out last night in a traffic jam that the electric radiator fan is out. Tested it and power is going to the motor, it is just not running. Bought one from the dealership last night and luckily it looks like we can just undo the fan motor with blades and just replace the bad one in the modified housing. I thought originally we would have to re trim and modify the new fan and shroud. About to start getting her up on the floor jacks and removing the charge piping. Glad we caught this before he takes the car back to school 8hrs away today..........
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Good to report, NO HIGH RPM LOCKOUTS on WOT pulls shifting above 7k. This clutch is strong. Still takes a bit of getting used too in stop n go traffic as it does not slip at all, so it engages quicker upon letting off the clutch. Feels way better now WOT shifts tho. Unfortunately found out last night in a traffic jam that the electric radiator fan is out. Tested it and power is going to the motor, it is just not running. Bought one from the dealership last night and luckily it looks like we can just undo the fan motor with blades and just replace the bad one in the modified housing. I thought originally we would have to re trim and modify the new fan and shroud. About to start getting her up on the floor jacks and removing the charge piping. Glad we caught this before he takes the car back to school 8hrs away today..........
Awesome thread guys thank you. I was literaly coming here to posta question about the benefits of new clutch/flywheel. Want to go with Vortech charger down the road.One question slayer... did you go lightweight steel over aluminum flywheel for a specific reason? Less chatter? Strength for supercharger? Mach 500 good enough for Vortech? Also, looks like in Pic you got Exedy throwout as well. I assume that is highly recommended with new clutch.
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Single disc clutch organic is going to top out at 500 ft lbs. For a vortech you'll want at least a mccleod rst. I'd say just go rxt and never worry about it holding ever.
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This clutch is holding fine. To be honest, the OEM clutch held ok for the miles. This clutch is MUCH better clutch flywheel setup than OEM and still is very drivable as a DD clutch. This car is a daily driver first, hot rod/racer second. It was a good moderate step up from the OEM without going to a dual disc un sprung cluctch with aluminum flywheel that grips like a biatch but is no fun in traffic. I have driven one and felt the McLeod setup and it is a great race setup but NOT a great DD setup.

Naples, a steel flywheel allows some slip upon engagement of the clutch. Trust me, this clutch engages MUCH quicker and less slip than the OEM but it is not too much to the point in which you almost stall. With an aluminum flywheel it engages even quicker and basically feels like you dump your clutch at low RPM's in traffic. I got to test drive a '12 GT with a McLeod RST/Aluminum flywheel. It does have a great feel off the floor but was too much clutch IMHO for traffic driving.
It is cold here in ATX now and we were on new really good asphalt near my house doing WOT pulls. This car was getting loose on the 3/4 shift at WOT. I felt it and my son who daily drives the car says that this clutch is night and day difference speed shifting. The money saved vs the McLeod route is significant. I shopped and got discounts and got a great deal on this setup through AM and ebay. After testing everything now except longevity, I think this is a great combo for a car that has been modded but still a daily driver.

On the fan switch, it turned out to be a breeze. My son and I pulled the radiator cover, the intake & filter, the top radiator hose and a small section of the charge piping and were able to pull the fan & shroud, replace the motor and fan ONLY and pop it back in. It took he and I all of 1.5hrs. Worked like a champ although have no idea why the fan motor failed.

Scotty, this clutch is sprung and rated for 734 ft lbs torque at the FW. That translates to 600ft lbs at the tires. This car produces 500 ft lbs of torque at the rear tires so we are right where I want too be. The organic sprung clutch is more mellow than a ceramic/aluminum setup but still has PLENTY of grip when it is called upon.
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Single disc clutch organic is going to top out at 500 ft lbs. For a vortech you'll want at least a mccleod rst. I'd say just go rxt and never worry about it holding ever.
Stock clutch will hold past 600 easily

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^^^ agreed. Only issue we experienced was occasional WOT lockout
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Deerslayer, love ur build always have. Really appreciate thus in depth information. Hopefully a month ir so away from drivetrain uogrades. Want that next... Vortech little later.

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Really a single disc 11" will hold 600? Hmmm well then. Obviously I'll defer to you but I personally would not trust a single disc organic to hold that much power for a very long time, that's just me. Yet another reason to go automagic.
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Really a single disc 11" will hold 600? Hmmm well then. Obviously I'll defer to you but I personally would not trust a single disc organic to hold that much power for a very long time, that's just me. Yet another reason to go automagic.
My stock clutch held 611hp and 650 tq. Never gave out, swapped it out when we went to 700+

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Automatic will loose in a roll race every time

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^^^ agreed. Only issue we experienced was occasional WOT lockout
Iwas just on the phone with a guy talking about the Exedy lightweight flywheel and he said it is not good for a daily driver. that they thing is so light in rotational mass it makes the car want to bog when talking off at lower RPMs.

Anyone experience this or know anything about that? Hell I already ordered the stage 4 clutch, Shifter support and aluminum drive shaft. I was dead set on that Flywheel? Thoughts?
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Naples, don't know who was saying that, but that is not what we have found with this setup at all. This car also has a 1pc drive shaft so the rotational mass has been reduced quite a bit. The takeoffs feel different from the OEM setup and it does take some getting used too, but you will also get the feel that it is more solidly engaging. I am guessing he is saying that because you will feel less "slip" from the OEM setup, and if you just want to dump the clutch at really low rpm's it would bog more than the OEM setup would, but this setup is a good setup for a daily driven car.
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Naples, don't know who was saying that, but that is not what we have found with this setup at all. This car also has a 1pc drive shaft so the rotational mass has been reduced quite a bit. The takeoffs feel different from the OEM setup and it does take some getting used too, but you will also get the feel that it is more solidly engaging. I am guessing he is saying that because you will feel less "slip" from the OEM setup, and if you just want to dump the clutch at really low rpm's it would bog more than the OEM setup would, but this setup is a good setup for a daily driven car.
Perfect. thats what I thought. Now just gotta wait for someone to get the dang thing in.
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Just had the Exedy 600 stage 4 clutch installed. Chose that because it wasn't hardly anymore than the 500 once you factored in buying the TO. Also got the lightweight Exedy flywheel. Installed the Blowfish racing bracket and a Shaftmasters aluminum driveshaft. Changed transmission fluid to Royal Purple and McLeod SS clutch line. I only have about 50 miles on it so far.

Definitely engages quicker. There is a vibration in the stick as allot of people have expressed with the bracket although I think it is minimal and mostly noticed because I was looking for it. Less clunking and drive-train noise in cabin when shifting for sure. I am babying it right now so haven't done any WOT or high RPM shifts yet so keep you posted. I seem to have a little more vibration over 4000rpm but hard to say. Taking on the highway so can get some speed and revs going and will report back. gears almost seem shorter and closer. I did already have the Barton shifter and bracket. I think the support form the BF racing bracket is likely what is causing that feeling
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I don't know percentage, but before anything was done, high rpm lockout and the pedal staying down almost to the floor were common on WOT pulls. Took out the clutch helper spring and added the braided clutch line and MGW shifter. High rpm lockout would happen maybe 3 out of 10 WOT pulls.
Added the Blowfish bracket and it reduced it to maybe 1 out of 10 pulls. Dont really count how many times it happens, but imho, once is too much.
i thought the mgw and the blowfish bracket dont work together?
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