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Old 01-16-2015, 07:49 PM   #36
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I had some scary moments with my shelbys,you just have to respect that hp and make sure you have
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I had some scary moments with my shelbys,you just have to respect that hp and make sure you have
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Yup...it's all good here, but yes it can get awfully tail happy if you don't respect it.
It was downright dangerous with 335/30 BFG's on it but I have Proxe 888's now and its MUCH more drivable.
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Shelby's also arent that great at handling since they are so front heavy.


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Shelby's also arent that great at handling since they are so front heavy.


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You know I kind of have to admit even though my past 03cobra made more wheel hp/tq (and you always want more power to some extent) I'm pretty happy with the power level it's at now. I actually feel comfortable with it and it hooks pretty well being on all season street tires. It's nice to be able to rag on it (on the street) without creating a potentially dangerous F'up every time you get on it. The powerband on this car is a lot of fun IMO. Sorry I got off topic... LOL
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You know I kind of have to admit even though my past 03cobra made more wheel hp/tq (and you always want more power to some extent) I'm pretty happy with the power level it's at now. I actually feel comfortable with it and it hooks pretty well being on all season street tires. It's nice to be able to rag on it (on the street) without creating a potentially dangerous F'up every time you get on it. The powerband on this car is a lot of fun IMO. Sorry I got off topic... LOL
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You know I kind of have to admit even though my past 03cobra made more wheel hp/tq (and you always want more power to some extent) I'm pretty happy with the power level it's at now. I actually feel comfortable with it and it hooks pretty well being on all season street tires. It's nice to be able to rag on it (on the street) without creating a potentially dangerous F'up every time you get on it. The powerband on this car is a lot of fun IMO. Sorry I got off topic... LOL
You're right, it can be more fun being able to push a car to its limits, then having a car test yours.

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That is why I love my miata. You can beat the tar out of it, have fun and barely break the speed limit laws.


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Old 01-17-2015, 07:23 PM   #44
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I drove one today.

Frankly, yall seem to have hit the nail on the head already. It's overall a much nicer car...the interior is very sharp. I especially liked the toggle switches and that they moved the damn cupholder over. The new gauges and overall layout is very clean and well thought-out.

It just didn't feel like a mustang. Very refined but lacking that raw feel that we've been used to in our mustangs (inside and out).

The dealer let me take it out with a spin. I know the guy, so I got to play with it a little more than most people would be allowed. The new IRS does a fair job of taking the wiggle and jump out of the rear end over rougher pavement. Otherwise, it felt the same as my (still mostly stock suspension) '13 trackpack does.

The acceleration felt similar...my coyote is tuned, so a stock 5.0 is going to feel sluggish anyhow. The brakes felt the same, too. Shifting it felt like a stock MT82...lots of play, and finding 2nd in a hurry was difficult, 3rd also. The stock exhaust makes the 5.0 super quiet...can't help but wonder as to what extra was added to hush it up so much.

I was disappointed once I looked under the hood. It's the same ol' coyote, but they went and did some odd things to the engine bay...like, why is the strut tower brace routed to the firewall? The PCM and fusebox got shoved over and now the new coolant reservoir sits in that spot - lower and more in the way than it was before. There is a new GIANT sound tube in the way on the left side...which is plugged into an intake that looks similar to the stock one on the last gens' but with more baffling. Even the damn fanshroud is moved closer to the front of the engine so even reaching your belts is one hell of a chore.

Good luck doing anything under the hood without needing to move 5 things to reach it. You'll likely need to remove the bumper or a handful of other things just to replace a headlight bulb. Swapping out sparkplugs is going to be a whole afternoon affair.

It'd have to be one hell of a damn deal for me to swap. Let's hope things align a bit better in a few model years...maybe we'll see another Mach 1 or Bullitt that will change some minds.
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I drove one today.

Frankly, yall seem to have hit the nail on the head already. It's overall a much nicer car...the interior is very sharp. I especially liked the toggle switches and that they moved the damn cupholder over. The new gauges and overall layout is very clean and well thought-out.

It just didn't feel like a mustang. Very refined but lacking that raw feel that we've been used to in our mustangs (inside and out).

The dealer let me take it out with a spin. I know the guy, so I got to play with it a little more than most people would be allowed. The new IRS does a fair job of taking the wiggle and jump out of the rear end over rougher pavement. Otherwise, it felt the same as my (still mostly stock suspension) '13 trackpack does.

The acceleration felt similar...my coyote is tuned, so a stock 5.0 is going to feel sluggish anyhow. The brakes felt the same, too. Shifting it felt like a stock MT82...lots of play, and finding 2nd in a hurry was difficult, 3rd also. The stock exhaust makes the 5.0 super quiet...can't help but wonder as to what extra was added to hush it up so much.

I was disappointed once I looked under the hood. It's the same ol' coyote, but they went and did some odd things to the engine bay...like, why is the strut tower brace routed to the firewall? The PCM and fusebox got shoved over and now the new coolant reservoir sits in that spot - lower and more in the way than it was before. There is a new GIANT sound tube in the way on the left side...which is plugged into an intake that looks similar to the stock one on the last gens' but with more baffling. Even the damn fanshroud is moved closer to the front of the engine so even reaching your belts is one hell of a chore.

Good luck doing anything under the hood without needing to move 5 things to reach it. You'll likely need to remove the bumper or a handful of other things just to replace a headlight bulb. Swapping out sparkplugs is going to be a whole afternoon affair.

It'd have to be one hell of a damn deal for me to swap. Let's hope things align a bit better in a few model years...maybe we'll see another Mach 1 or Bullitt that will change some minds.
Darn good write up sir. Thank you!
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My shelbys had a extra 90 lbs under the hood. ...

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Yep nice review. I put a fays2 watts link on my gt and it totally transformed the rear suspension dynamics. It is very predictable and planted.

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Yep nice review. I put a fays2 watts link on my gt and it totally transformed the rear suspension dynamics. It is very predictable and planted.

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Yep just for fun. Although, the watts was a huge improvement on the street too. My usual back roads corners went from oh sheet moments to oh wow moments.

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Yep just for fun. Although, the watts was a huge improvement on the street too. My usual back roads corners went from oh sheet moments to oh wow moments.

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Have mine set one below the center.

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Have mine set one below the center.

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If you measure from the ground up to the center pivot of the bell crank, that is the roll center. Then you need to know the height of the tires to compare with other mustangs. The same adjustment on a car with 28' tall tires is effectively higher than a car with say, 26" tall tires even though the pivot may be in the same place relative to the dimensional center line or center of gravity on the car.
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I don't have that number for you. I have been going by feel. I could measure it up if you like. I've been doing everything in stages going by feel on this car.

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I don't have that number for you. I have been going by feel. I could measure it up if you like. I've been doing everything in stages going by feel on this car.

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Just curious what you liked. You'll find that the lower the rear roll center the better the bite, but more body roll that must be resisted by roll couple. Higher roll centers will reduce body roll but the looser it will be.
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IMO some of the most fun you can have with a car is while still going below the normal speed limit.

Like autocross. Even though you only get up to maybe 60-70mph it's lots of hard accelerating, hard braking, very hard and tight corners. And not to mention a lot of people slide their back ends from trying to come out of those tight corners too hard.


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i think the 13-14 look better IMO
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Just curious what you liked. You'll find that the lower the rear roll center the better the bite, but more body roll that must be resisted by roll couple. Higher roll centers will reduce body roll but the looser it will be.

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I for one, really wanted a 14 SS 1LE. But it was at least $6000 more than the deal I got on my 14 GT trackpack last August. I worked for a few months at a Ford dealer here in service and drove the 4 cyl turbo and pulled a new GT manual around the lot. It had terrible clutch chatter like a warped flywheel and it was normal! I didn't like how looking over the hood felt either. My best friend replaced his Boss with a 15 4 cyl turbo, and while he turns some awesome lap times at his local track, he says it's completely "sterile" about it. I will say the performance/track pack 15 GT is growing on me and is STILL cheaper than a 1LE SS, but I'm more of a GM guy deep down. They still are "only" offering $5k off on 15 Camaros and the new one promises to spank everything about it...... The 16 SS 1LE and Mustang GT performance pack will be a serious shoot out.
Many folks (myself included) pay too much attention to lap times posted by professional drivers. I've done one HPDE even in my Mustang and illustrated to myself that it's far better than me STOCK. It takes quite a while to be "better" than your car. So you might be faster in a 14 Mustang than a SS 1LE or 15 GT just because it suits your novice style better.
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Waiting for improvements to something that dosn't work now, ok I get that. But the 2015 Mustang GT works now. So I got one. I have 2,300 miles on it and its gets better and better the more I drive it. I've only had in a week and I drive it from Montana to Los Angeles California. Drove from 65 mph to 90 mph (once I got a 1,000 miles on it). I still averaged minimum 24 mpg up to 27 mpg. I'm pretty damn happy with the fuel mileage and it was with premium fuel at all times. This is on a 5.0 and it was a fun drive.
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Waiting for improvements to something that dosn't work now, ok I get that. But the 2015 Mustang GT works now. So I got one. I have 2,300 miles on it and its gets better and better the more I drive it. I've only had in a week and I drive it from Montana to Los Angeles California. Drove from 65 mph to 90 mph (once I got a 1,000 miles on it). I still averaged minimum 24 mpg up to 27 mpg. I'm pretty damn happy with the fuel mileage and it was with premium fuel at all times. This is on a 5.0 and it was a fun drive.
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The back end of the newer Camaro is horrible. Do not like the new tail lights at all. JMO


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Come to think of it....I've never seen the back end of a Camaro.


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